So guys…Maybe you guys remember my post awhile back…I know JJ aka brook does and I know kay does. I decided against enanthate since I only wanted to do 8 weeks at the most. Got test prop…came in today. Everything is set just waiting on some more nolva to arrive. So far I have.
4x 10ml vial test prop (100mg/ml)
50x syringe w/20g needle
50x just needle 25g
30mg arimidex
way more than enough nolvadex for pct.
I decided to go against the grain here and use the smallest dose to get good gains. Therefore I’m going to start with around 350mg for the first couple weeks and see how that goes…If I feel the need to up the dosage then I’ll go to the more common 500mg.
I’d like to get the same amount of shots per week there fore I’m opting to use another less common pinning schedule. Mon/Wed/Fri with sat sun off. Again…I realize that this may throw off my blood levels so if I feel any problems I’ll goto just EOD.
I can’t start this cycle until early August. I have to goto D.C. for a wedding this weekend and I’m getting blood work done august 1st. I don’t want me starting the test affecting my blood work. Although if it won’t someone clue me in here.
I’ll post some pics of my gear, as well as current stats, diet and training. I’d like this to be a place for anyone willing to give me advice on training while on cycle and eating. My goals are not so much to blow up…but more so shift my body composition, gain strength and possibly gain a decent amount of muscle.
As this is pretty much a cutting cycle…although I won’t be restricting calories THAT much. I will be doing cardio daily, complexes 4 times a week and my normal strength training. Thanks guys.
I decided to go against the grain here and use the smallest dose to get good gains. Therefore I’m going to start with around 350mg for the first couple weeks and see how that goes…If I feel the need to up the dosage then I’ll go to the more common 500mg.
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pretty sure its best to frontload. ive been told anything below 500mg/w isnt worth doing. and as you say, do 350 for the first couple weeks and see how it goes? well its going to take a while for anything to kick in,
so your talking about waiting more than half your cycle to see “how something goes” and if test is all your doing… well im not sure this is the best plan of attack. but i also didnt read your previous post you mentioned.
[quote]Dylanj wrote:
pretty sure its best to frontload. ive been told anything below 500mg/w isnt worth doing. and as you say, do 350 for the first couple weeks and see how it goes? well its going to take a while for anything to kick in, so your talking about waiting more than half your cycle to see “how something goes” and if test is all your doing… well im not sure this is the best plan of attack. but i also didnt read your previous post you mentioned.[/quote]
He’s using prop. No lag time, like with enanthate and cypionate. Thus the more frequent shooting.
[quote]5.0 wrote:
Dylanj wrote:
pretty sure its best to frontload. ive been told anything below 500mg/w isnt worth doing. and as you say, do 350 for the first couple weeks and see how it goes?
well its going to take a while for anything to kick in, so your talking about waiting more than half your cycle to see “how something goes” and if test is all your doing… well im not sure this is the best plan of attack. but i also didnt read your previous post you mentioned.
He’s using prop. No lag time, like with enanthate and cypionate. Thus the more frequent shooting. [/quote]
i can never remember the ester times, but even so… frontloading is best? 350mg is too low? i might be able to see 350mg over a longer period of time… maybe.
[quote]5.0 wrote:
Dylanj wrote:
pretty sure its best to frontload. ive been told anything below 500mg/w isnt worth doing. and as you say, do 350 for the first couple weeks and see how it goes?
well its going to take a while for anything to kick in, so your talking about waiting more than half your cycle to see “how something goes” and if test is all your doing… well im not sure this is the best plan of attack. but i also didnt read your previous post you mentioned.
He’s using prop. No lag time, like with enanthate and cypionate. Thus the more frequent shooting. [/quote]
You beat me to it.
And for your injection schedule, one I had considered was Tues/Thurs/Sat/Sun and repeat. It would allow you to get 400mg/week in while sticking to 1ml shots. Kind of crunches up the weekend but I thought that might make it easier to fit in the injections with one’s schedule.
[quote]Dylanj wrote:
i can never remember the ester times, but even so… frontloading is best? 350mg is too low? i might be able to see 350mg over a longer period of time… maybe.[/quote]
There are arguments for, and against front loading from the experienced guys.
350 is relatively low, yes. He could still see gains from it, though, since it’s roughly three times plus endo test. Like World recommended, higher doses for shorter cycles, 7-800 range. I’d imagine he’d change his 350mg to 500mg by the second week.
[quote]5.0 wrote:
Dylanj wrote:
i can never remember the ester times, but even so… frontloading is best? 350mg is too low? i might be able to see 350mg over a longer period of time… maybe.
There are arguments for, and against front loading from the experienced guys.
350 is relatively low, yes. He could still see gains from it, though, since it’s roughly three times plus endo test. Like World recommended, higher doses for shorter cycles, 7-800 range. I’d imagine he’d change his 350mg to 500mg by the second week.[/quote]
You are correct…I probably will! However, I want to take advantage of the fast acting properties of prop and atleast try to use a lower dose. I mean hey…if you can get good results with a lower dose why not right?
I can’t start this cycle until early August. I have to goto D.C. for a wedding this weekend and I’m getting blood work done august 1st. I don’t want me starting the test affecting my blood work. Although if it won’t someone clue me in here.
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Don’t mess with it until after your blood tests. It will throw them off.
I can’t start this cycle until early August. I have to goto D.C. for a wedding this weekend and I’m getting blood work done august 1st. I don’t want me starting the test affecting my blood work. Although if it won’t someone clue me in here.
Don’t mess with it until after your blood tests. It will throw them off.[/quote]
Thanks man…I figured it could have an affect on my lipids possibly.
facko running 3 shots per week at 100mg/ml is only 300mg a week unless you were going to do 1.2ml or something and get approx 350-360 a week. Either way if you have 40ml of prop and you run less than 4 ml a week you will have a lot left over after your proposed eight weeks even more than you’d need for a stasis taper run.
You might consider running 150mg 3 times a week for 7-8 weeks and that would still leave you will enough prop to stasis and taper down with. 450mg of prop is more actual test than 500mg of enanthate.
[quote]saps wrote:
facko running 3 shots per week at 100mg/ml is only 300mg a week unless you were going to do 1.2ml or something and get approx 350-360 a week. Either way if you have 40ml of prop and you run less than 4 ml a week you will have a lot left over after your proposed eight weeks even more than you’d need for a stasis taper run.
You might consider running 150mg 3 times a week for 7-8 weeks and that would still leave you will enough prop to stasis and taper down with. 450mg of prop is more actual test than 500mg of enanthate.[/quote]
Hey man thanks…yea that was exactly what I was thinking…150mg mon wed fri. But I may not taper…I may just do 40 40 20 20 nolva…I will have to figure that out.
[quote]facko wrote:
Hey man thanks…yea that was exactly what I was thinking…150mg mon wed fri. But I may not taper…I may just do 40 40 20 20 nolva…I will have to figure that out.[/quote]
I don’t think that’s a good idea. The guys that don’t like the taper say so because of the ‘natural’ taper of the long estered tests. You don’t have that luxury with the propionate. You could consider 100mg, or maybe a little less for four weeks (like 90mg), then four weeks tapering down from there (80, 60, 40, 20), with the same nolva protocol during the last four weeks. That’s better than cold turkey – especially if keeping muscle gains, libido and mood are important to you.
[quote]5.0 wrote:
facko wrote:
Hey man thanks…yea that was exactly what I was thinking…150mg mon wed fri. But I may not taper…I may just do 40 40 20 20 nolva…I will have to figure that out.
I don’t think that’s a good idea. The guys that don’t like the taper say so because of the ‘natural’ taper of the long estered tests. You don’t have that luxury with the propionate. You could consider 100mg, or maybe a little less for four weeks (like 90mg), then four weeks tapering down from there (80, 60, 40, 20), with the same nolva protocol during the last four weeks. That’s better than cold turkey – especially if keeping muscle gains, libido and mood are important to you. [/quote]
I see…I may have to get another vial. Thanks for the input man.
Ouch! Enjoy those quad shots man. I hope you bought some extra oil to cut it with. That’ll make life much easier. Unless, you are one of those lucky bastards who has no issues with “prop pain”. Good luck on your cycle btw.
[quote]MariusDominator wrote:
Ouch! Enjoy those quad shots man. I hope you bought some extra oil to cut it with. That’ll make life much easier. Unless, you are one of those lucky bastards who has no issues with “prop pain”. Good luck on your cycle btw.
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Thanks man…appreciate. My friend did his first shot yesterday…we are running this together and made our order together from the same place. He did 1ml delt…today he feels only SLIGHT soreness. I think its clean stuff even though it is UG.
I see…I may have to get another vial. Thanks for the input man.[/quote]
Actually you won’t. Provided your 10ml vials are not underfilled too much. 4 weeks of 100mg a week is 4ml and 80,60,40,20 is another 2ml. So you need 6ml of your prop to stasis and taper. That gives you 34ml for your cycle. Which is like 7 1/2 weeks at 450mg a week.