[quote]gettinbigger wrote:
WOW! Thanks for all the great advice. Sorry I should have stated this from the get go, my stats are:
Age: 31, 5’10"
Wt: 215@13.5% BF (give or take)
Bench: 405
SQ: 505
DL: 495
I have been training since I was 15, but took some years off to climb while I lived in the mountains. I have been trainig consistantly for 10 years and have been serious for 4 or 5. I mainly train for powerlifting competitions, but I like to look good too so I include a lot of hypertrophy training in my work outs, until about 6 weeks out.
As for the short cycles, I just assumed it would be easier on my HTPA. I really want to avoid resigning myself to HRT for the rest of my life so I have been leary of very long cycles. I got the idea from a post by P22 about keeping your HPTA healthy. Also my goals are fairly simple, I want to be JACKED at 220 and lean (6-7%BF). But what you guys say makes a lot of sence. If I’m going to do this I might as well do it right. So what do you feel is the most effective cycle length, that is still relatively safe for my goals?
How about:
Wk1: 1000mg Test Enan., .5mg Adex. EOD
Wk 2-8: 500mg Test Enan., .5mg Adex EOD
Wk 9-11: 50mg Tren Ace. ED, .5mg Adex EOD
Test Taper:
Wk 12: Test Prop. 50mg EOD, .5 Adex EOD
Wk 13: Test Prop. 25mg EOD, .25 Adex EOD
Wk 14: Test Prop. 25mg E3D, .25 Adex EOD
Wk 15: Test Prop. 10mg E3D, .25 Adex E3D
Would I still be able to retain a reasonable amount of my gains if I took 12 weeks off (including week 13-15 of test taper) before my next cycle to allow my HPTA to recover completely?[/quote]
O.k, here is my advice…
don’t bother with the frontload, as it it won’t really speed up gains too much, but can cause more water retention, back pump e.t.c to begin with because of more estrogen aromatization, and sodium retention. - I am sure when you are squating the 500 lbs (wow)the last thing you want is the back pump.
As for following your cycle, here is what I suggest…
following the last week of your actual cycle:
week 12, 13, 14, 15
prop 100mg spaced over 2-3 injects
week 16
75 mg spaced over 2-3 injects
week 17
50 mg spaced over 2-3 injects
week 18
25 mg spaced over 2 injects
week 19 off.
The first 3 weeks of the taper you are kind of in a holding pattern, as you are waiting for the high blood levels of the test enanthate ester to fall.
during this time, begin tapering the AI, and taper it down to zero, by week 16, as your body has to get used to physiologically normal levels of estrogen in the body, as well as testosterone.
From about week 15 on, you can begin considering yourself ‘off cycle’ as your hormone levels will be back close to normal physiological amounts.
you can count from that point on as time off.
In my experience 3 months altogether off is sufficient, for resensitizing oneself to AAS and getting some good NEW gains - not just reclaiming old ones.
Workouts should remain chalanging throughout the taper and time off, but I do recomend you use less weight, and concentrate on good form, as you tend to feel more of the aches an pains, while off that you don’t feel while on, and the pump isn’t as good,
BUT:
the smarter you train, the more size you will retain, and the more new size on next cycle you will gain!
Taper the Aromatase inhibitor, Down
