So, I have a previous post in which I was searching for the answer to this question but the question has sort of evoloved to include Masteron so I’m making a new one. I apologize in advance if it seems repetitive. My question is this:
I have started my current cycle with EOD shots of Test Prop at 100mg as well as 200mg twice a week of Masteron Enanthate. The Prop will be discontinued after day 19 (1 bottle, 10cc’s) I want to introduce T-400 into the cycle to become my main testosterone which will run midcycle while I take the Prop out of the equation until I reintroduce it at the end. A cc of T-400 contains cyp 80mg, enan 80mg, decanoate 80mg, isocaproate 60mg, phenylipropionate 60mg, and prop 40mg. So at what point do I do my first shot of T-400 and does it require a frontload? I do plan to run that at 400mg/twice a week.
As for the Masteron, I am becoming increasingly excited as I learn more about it and its unique properties and I think I wanna run it a little longer then the 1 bottle I have. Deal is that I cant get the Enanthate version but my buddy has the regular prop version. So if I’ve been doing 200mg twice a week and that bottle runs out after week 5 how and at what point would I introduce the Masteron Propionate so as to try and maintain current blood levels?
[quote]jared530 wrote:
pearl of wisdom: plan the cycle before you start the cycle. [/quote]
Wow, and to think I actually got excited to see that I had a response where I might receive someone’s intelligent and insightful advice.
I don’t see how its that confusing. I’m simply asking if I start the cycle with Prop 100mg EOD and want to transition off that and into T-400, when would be the proper time to do so? The plan is to use that until the end when I reintroduce Prop as I transition into PCT.
As for the Masteron, it was pretty much a similiar question but if I do anything it will be to just add another bottle of Enanthate.
I don’t have the sufficient knowledge to answer your question appropriately, but I did a short cycle of test prop and mast prop about a year ago, and it was pretty awesome.
[quote]nickels wrote:
I don’t have the sufficient knowledge to answer your question appropriately, but I did a short cycle of test prop and mast prop about a year ago, and it was pretty awesome.[/quote]
Yeah, everyone I talk to has said the same thing. Thanks for the reply!
id start the mast prop 7 to 10 days after your last shot of mast e and the t400 about 3 days after your last shot of prop maybee with a frontload of 700-800mg so you can get close to the amount of prop u were already running while the long esters kick in
[quote]beefcakes wrote:
id start the mast prop 7 to 10 days after your last shot of mast e and the t400 about 3 days after your last shot of prop maybee with a frontload of 700-800mg so you can get close to the amount of prop u were already running while the long esters kick in[/quote]
Thanks for the input! Anyone else? Again, I’m more interested in your thoughts on the T-400 and when to introduce it and if it requires a frontload? I’m starting to lean toward a frontload of 1200mg spread out on week 3 as the prop ends at the end of week 3 and running a baseline of 600mg the rest of the way. Any thoughts?
Sorry to keep asking the same question but if you could please respond with your opinions it would be greatly appreciated. I understand some of you won’t agree with the proposed cycle but if you could give me your opinion regardless, I would be most thankful.
If I start the cycle with Prop 100mg EOD and want to transition off that and into T-400, when would be the proper time to do so and would this require a frontload? The plan is to use the T-400 until the end when I reintroduce Prop as I transition into PCT. Masteron Enanthate is being used at 200mg twice weekly and Winstrol is included in the last few weeks.
For the record a cc of T-400 contains cyp 80mg, enan 80mg, decanoate 80mg, isocaproate 60mg, phenylipropionate 60mg, and prop 40mg.
OP: Why dont you do some thinking for yourself, and propose something for critique? Include your rationale and steps you considered to come up with your conclusion. This will allow people who really dont give a shit (i.e. everyone but you) to look at it and see if it is flawed.
I could come up with this answer for you, but I am nowhere near inclined to invest the time to do so. Break out the excel spreadsheet, play around with the numbers and half lives, expected blood levels at each point, and see what you can come up with.
FTR, I don’t think front loading will be necessary with the shorter esters in there and your current regimine of prop. Some sort of regular injection schedule while you wind down the prop is in order.
[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
OP: Why dont you do some thinking for yourself, and propose something for critique? Include your rationale and steps you considered to come up with your conclusion. This will allow people who really dont give a shit (i.e. everyone but you) to look at it and see if it is flawed.
I could come up with this answer for you, but I am nowhere near inclined to invest the time to do so. Break out the excel spreadsheet, play around with the numbers and half lives, expected blood levels at each point, and see what you can come up with.
FTR, I don’t think front loading will be necessary with the shorter esters in there and your current regimine of prop. Some sort of regular injection schedule while you wind down the prop is in order.[/quote]
Really, what is messing me up is the T-400 and the various esters in there. I am not used to a multiple ester product like this and although I might be overthinking all this, it just doesnt seem as cut and dry as it does when using a single ester. This is what my cycle currently looks like:
Days 1-19 Test Prop 100mg EOD
Days 1-35 Masteron Enanthate 200mg Monday and Thursday of each week
Days 19-64 T-400 400mg on Monday and Thursday of each week
Days 45-85 Winstrol 50mg/day
Days 64-83 Test prop 100mg EOD
Days 85-on Clomid recovery
**HCG ran from week 3 till end of AAS
My rationalle is this. I am using the Prop in the beginning to kick start the cycle with the short acting ester. I am using it in the end to transition into PCT more easily and accurately. The T-400 is my main test to run through the bulk of the cycle. Got the Masteron in there in the beginning to the middle so I dont need an AI unless I feel the need to (never had a problem in the past), and the Winstrol near the end to again transition into PCT more accurately. This is more of a cutting cycle. My problem was just trying to figure out when to add in the T-400. You say you dont think it requires a frontload which is exactly the answer I was looking for so thank you. I was having a hard time because of all the various half lives in the T-400. I will probably take my first shot of T-400 on day 16 and subsequently on day 19 as that first bottle of Prop runs out and then run it as outlined. again.
[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
Masteron is not a substitute for an AI. Just thought I’d let you know.
Other then that you seem to know what you are doing.
SB[/quote]
Thanks Singh. I realize it is not a true AI but I did read up on an interesting tidbit. Masteron may actually interact with the aromatase enzyme to inhibit aromatization(conversion/metabolism) of other steroids into estrogen. Additionally, Masteron seems to be able to interact with estrogen at the receptor site. So although, it is not a substitute it seems to have some AI effects. Since, I’ve never had any estrogen related problems in the past (knock on wood) I am happy to know that the Masteron will be imparting this effect even if on a minor level.
Now you’re thinking. I had no idea about mast’s AI effects…I"ve read about it but I don’t think it sounds legit…keep an eye on E2 symptoms
For the T400, I would probably do an injection the Thursday before the Monday that you planned to start (same amount as your planned injection). Then take half the prop dose for the next however many injections leading up to when you discontinue it. This FEELS right.
BTW, did you mean that you will take T400 @ 400 mg 2x/week (800 mg/week total)? Or was that a typo?
[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
Now you’re thinking. I had no idea about mast’s AI effects…I"ve read about it but I don’t think it sounds legit…keep an eye on E2 symptoms
For the T400, I would probably do an injection the Thursday before the Monday that you planned to start (same amount as your planned injection). Then take half the prop dose for the next however many injections leading up to when you discontinue it. This FEELS right.
BTW, did you mean that you will take T400 @ 400 mg 2x/week (800 mg/week total)? Or was that a typo?[/quote]
LOL I was always thinking, perhaps I just didn’t word my thoughts right. The AI effects of Masteron caught me by surprise too but plenty of info on the web has stated the same thing. Just a bonus if you ask me but I am in no way relying on it for that.
Ok, I like that plan…since the T-400 has only 40mg of Prop in it, that coupled with half of my 100mg regular Prop dose would keep me at around the same dose of Prop. That IS why you suggested that, correct? It’s just F’in me up trying to figure it all out with the quick and long acting esters in there. I know there might be a simpler way to do it but I have what I have, ya know?
As for you other question regarding my T-400 dose, it was NOT a typo but this too is something I am struggling with. Would you bring that maintaince dose down to maybe 600mg/week with 300mg Monday and 300mg on Thursday? I am questioning this because I know its pretty standard to run about 500mg/test per week and that would be about that. But again, with all those different esters it is confusing me. Does it really come out to 600mg per week if I do it that way or is it all funky across the board? Ahhh the questions, the questions…I really do appreciate your answers. Lastly, if done that way would it not be prudent to maybe take double the dose on the first 2 doses or perhaps even 1200mg all in one shot before going to maintaince (FRONTLOAD). Don’t take offense I like your plan just throwing another curveball out there
Ok, I like that plan…since the T-400 has only 40mg of Prop in it, that coupled with half of my 100mg regular Prop dose would keep me at around the same dose of Prop. That IS why you suggested that, correct? It’s just F’in me up trying to figure it all out with the quick and long acting esters in there. I know there might be a simpler way to do it but I have what I have, ya know?[/quote]
Yes that is why I suggested that. You will get approximately the same dose, and in the meantime the other esters will start kicking in.
Yes there is definitely a simpler way to do it, its called “not buying a test blend” lol…For the life of me, I can’t figure out why these products are popular…too messy, IMO…
[quote]
As for you other question regarding my T-400 dose, it was NOT a typo but this too is something I am struggling with. Would you bring that maintaince dose down to maybe 600mg/week with 300mg Monday and 300mg on Thursday? I am questioning this because I know its pretty standard to run about 500mg/test per week and that would be about that. But again, with all those different esters it is confusing me. Does it really come out to 600mg per week if I do it that way or is it all funky across the board? Ahhh the questions, the questions…I really do appreciate your answers. Lastly, if done that way would it not be prudent to maybe take double the dose on the first 2 doses or perhaps even 1200mg all in one shot before going to maintaince (FRONTLOAD). Don’t take offense I like your plan just throwing another curveball out there :)[/quote]
800 is quite high for a first timer, and regardless of the blend, 800 is 800 once you reach steady state levels…600 mg might be more appropriate. I still wouldn’t recommend to front load it–that just makes things even more complicated. Maybe do two injections instead of one to start out with (separated by a couple days) before picking up your ongoing injection schedule. Honestly though, it won’t really matter in that regard–fortunately this is AAS and not nuclear chemistry…it ain’t gotta be exact.
