[quote]actionboy wrote:
saying that something is general knowledge still isn’t proving shit. you D-bag.[/quote]
hopefully that link works, any of those should give you soem nice reading - main point to take away is the lack of hamstring co-contraction which supports the knee.
[quote]krsoneeeee wrote:
[quote]ajweins wrote:
Interesting. I am getting my doctorate in physical therapy and we use leg extensions all the time in the clinic. We are about as “functional” of a group as it gets since the sole purpose of our job is to help people regain function.
Leg extensions help increase blood flow leading to increased capillary density. The also aid in muscle recruitment for our patients.
So apparently, leg extensions are great for people with injuries and recovery function. They are also great for bodybuilders. But yet they are “waste of time” for athletes…I don’t buy it. [/quote]
Ill say it again, I never said they were BAD just that if he’s worried about his knees, DONT FUCKING DO IT!
Also, are you saying youd prescribe leg extensions for recovery? come on mate… and way to throw on a blanket term like injuries…ACL injury? youd wack them on the leg ext machine? NICE ONE
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We are getting off topic here now, but yes, in the more advanced stages or rehab for an ACL injury there is no reason the person should be unable to do knee extensions. The quads are atrophied and need to be strengthened. Leg extensions hit them directly like few other exercises can.
I am guessing you read too many Mike Boyle articles. Is there any leg exercises he does allow anymore?
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
Lol silly people are silly.
Do what works for you. Do what you see results from. It’s not hard to take monthly progress pictures, and QUITE easy to figure out which exercises are the best for your body in terms of weight potentially used, growth, “feel” factor, joint pain(or lack thereof), and leverages. Pay attention to why you’re doing shit and you won’t look and perform like a beginner after a decade of lifting like so many people here. [/quote]
[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
I’m strong enough and want to lift for aesthetics now so if I do squat it will be front or high bar with a narrow stance and it will be my finisher, not my staple.
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Seems like a good way to go. I was using leg extenstions and leg press machines in the beginning because quite frankly no one had taught me how to squat properly (which is when I hired my first personal trainer).
Question on the leg extensions, what sort of tempo do you use for it? Slow “up” and slow “down” or fast “up” and slow “down”?
Interesting to note some of the lifters that have posted already mention they do the leg extensions first before moving to the next exercise to “warm up/pump up” the legs where in the past I did leg extensions later after leg press (say), something for me to take home.
[quote]krsoneeeee wrote:
[quote]actionboy wrote:
saying that something is general knowledge still isn’t proving shit. you D-bag.[/quote]
hopefully that link works, any of those should give you soem nice reading - main point to take away is the lack of hamstring co-contraction which supports the knee.
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Facepalm.
Dude. Quit. You lose. Nobody is gonna take your side. Stop digging your own grave. Learn to pick your battles. (HINT: Arguing “functionality” won’t get you anything but ostracized.)
Nobody here gives 2 shits about “peer reviewed” articles written by 120lb scientist that are 43 and have yet to be laid. They’d rather listen to people who are big as fuck. Lab coats and degrees don’t mean shit. Find the biggest strongest dude around, and take his advice.
I really don’t care dude, most of you have no formal training and have never worked with elite athletes…you simply just don’t understand difference of opinion. open your minds.
[quote]krsoneeeee wrote:
[quote]actionboy wrote:
saying that something is general knowledge still isn’t proving shit. you D-bag.[/quote]
hopefully that link works, any of those should give you soem nice reading - main point to take away is the lack of hamstring co-contraction which supports the knee.
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Haha, this is funny.
If you actually read any of these articles you will see much of this research has documented higher compressive and shear load during closed kinetic chain exercise compared to open. More recent research has clearly demonstrated that when looking at the peak compressive and tensile forces the exercises are equivalent in demand, it just happens at different points.
In regards of rehab substantial research has demonstrated the efficacy of BOTH approaches.
And yes, clinically in rehab I will use either open or closed kinetic chain exercise depending on symptom provocation with the different movements.
This is one of those examples where bandwagon jumpers, be they people who aren’t qualified to comment or read science or people who instantly jump on the “ERRR, I HATE FUCKIN SCIENTISTS”, should just shut the fuck up.
Oh, and finally, if you want to actually come across like someone who “cites and reads research” or has “formal training” you would link us to a Pubmed or medline search, not google scholar.
who here would have access to pubmed? no one except maybe me and you - and pubmed/medline has EVERYTHING so validity goes out the window…cochrane database would be ideal.
I dont know who you are or what qualifications you have and frankly dont care - but if you think anything I said is invalid, I will disregard anything you have to say from here on in. I didn’t make any outlandish statements, simply that there are different ways to do things. chill out…
Ok, I think a number of things you said are invalid, so now you may completely disregard me…sweet!!!
[quote]krsoneeeee wrote:
Also, are you saying youd prescribe leg extensions for recovery? come on mate… and way to throw on a blanket term like injuries…ACL injury? youd wack them on the leg ext machine? NICE ONE
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I’ve had a knee injury prior and have done knee extensions. Knee wasn’t tracking properly due to an overdeveloped VM and a lack of cartilage.
[quote]krsoneeeee wrote:
I really don’t care dude, most of you have no formal training and have never worked with elite athletes…you simply just don’t understand difference of opinion. open your minds. [/quote]
I’ve worked with elite athletes and have formal training, and do understand a difference of opinion. You’re the one that is closed-minded, especially with statements like these:
[quote]krsoneeeee wrote:
I dont know who you are or what qualifications you have and frankly dont care - but if you think anything I said is invalid, I will disregard anything you have to say from here on in. I didn’t make any outlandish statements, simply that there are different ways to do things. chill out…[/quote]
Now stop being a douche.
[quote]iron.dragon wrote:
i am on the taller side and i could always destroy the leg extension machine for the full stack, almost since the first day i started training…its very good for my quad development, just focus on the squeeze at the top…and if it gets too light you start working one leg at a time[/quote]
It’s funner to strap extra weight on. One leg at a time and people won’t notice what an animal you are. It pisses me off the gym I go to has a Leg Extension (and leg curl and low row) machine that you can’t strap extra weight on.
[quote]trav123456 wrote:
How much could you squat before you switched?[/quote]
My best recent squat (low bar, 1" below parallel) was 375 X 3. I’m 6’1" 192 lbs and pretty thin. I also stopped doing traditional deadlifts. My best dead was 455 X 2 almost 3. I now do straight leg deads not concentrating on hammies, but just my lower back and lats. It was getting to the point were I didn’t feel the heavy deads were a safe movement any more.
I never explode up my leg ext like I would for a push or pull movement. I did go kinda heavy, but I don’t go so heavy that even my 15th rep was a grinder. I pause at the top for a full second and lower fairly slow. My quads are still sore today after working them Friday.
I will still do squats, but it will be at the end and it will be leg elevated split squats or high bar for 12+ reps.
Anybody do split squats? I like them, but I get more glute soreness than quad.
[quote]krsoneeeee wrote:
I dont know who you are or what qualifications you have and frankly dont care - but if you think anything I said is invalid, I will disregard anything you have to say from here on in.[/quote]
Lol, good luck with…life.
[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
Lol silly people are silly.
Do what works for you. Do what you see results from. It’s not hard to take monthly progress pictures, and QUITE easy to figure out which exercises are the best for your body in terms of weight potentially used, growth, “feel” factor, joint pain(or lack thereof), and leverages. Pay attention to why you’re doing shit and you won’t look and perform like a beginner after a decade of lifting like so many people here. [/quote]
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If this was facebook I would “like” this post fo sho.
[quote]krsoneeeee wrote:
[quote]actionboy wrote:
saying that something is general knowledge still isn’t proving shit. you D-bag.[/quote]
hopefully that link works, any of those should give you soem nice reading - main point to take away is the lack of hamstring co-contraction which supports the knee.
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Wow, did you at least read the abstract of any of these articles? AT ALL?
[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
[quote]trav123456 wrote:
How much could you squat before you switched?[/quote]
My best recent squat (low bar, 1" below parallel) was 375 X 3. I’m 6’1" 192 lbs and pretty thin. I also stopped doing traditional deadlifts. My best dead was 455 X 2 almost 3. I now do straight leg deads not concentrating on hammies, but just my lower back and lats. It was getting to the point were I didn’t feel the heavy deads were a safe movement any more.
I never explode up my leg ext like I would for a push or pull movement. I did go kinda heavy, but I don’t go so heavy that even my 15th rep was a grinder. I pause at the top for a full second and lower fairly slow. My quads are still sore today after working them Friday.
I will still do squats, but it will be at the end and it will be leg elevated split squats or high bar for 12+ reps.
Anybody do split squats? I like them, but I get more glute soreness than quad.[/quote]
I’m looking at your pics and to me it seems like you have/had pretty good quad development for someone your height and weight. Why didn’t they feel safe anymore? Did you pull something? Did you where a belt for those lifts?
[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
[quote]trav123456 wrote:
How much could you squat before you switched?[/quote]
My best recent squat (low bar, 1" below parallel) was 375 X 3. I’m 6’1" 192 lbs and pretty thin. I also stopped doing traditional deadlifts. My best dead was 455 X 2 almost 3. I now do straight leg deads not concentrating on hammies, but just my lower back and lats. It was getting to the point were I didn’t feel the heavy deads were a safe movement any more.
I never explode up my leg ext like I would for a push or pull movement. I did go kinda heavy, but I don’t go so heavy that even my 15th rep was a grinder. I pause at the top for a full second and lower fairly slow. My quads are still sore today after working them Friday.
I will still do squats, but it will be at the end and it will be leg elevated split squats or high bar for 12+ reps.
Anybody do split squats? I like them, but I get more glute soreness than quad.[/quote]
I do them, the futher your legs are apart the more ham and glute involment one gets the closer they are the more quad involvement one gets.
[quote]trav123456 wrote:
[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
[quote]trav123456 wrote:
How much could you squat before you switched?[/quote]
My best recent squat (low bar, 1" below parallel) was 375 X 3. I’m 6’1" 192 lbs and pretty thin. I also stopped doing traditional deadlifts. My best dead was 455 X 2 almost 3. I now do straight leg deads not concentrating on hammies, but just my lower back and lats. It was getting to the point were I didn’t feel the heavy deads were a safe movement any more.
I never explode up my leg ext like I would for a push or pull movement. I did go kinda heavy, but I don’t go so heavy that even my 15th rep was a grinder. I pause at the top for a full second and lower fairly slow. My quads are still sore today after working them Friday.
I will still do squats, but it will be at the end and it will be leg elevated split squats or high bar for 12+ reps.
Anybody do split squats? I like them, but I get more glute soreness than quad.[/quote]
I’m looking at your pics and to me it seems like you have/had pretty good quad development for someone your height and weight. Why didn’t they feel safe anymore? Did you pull something? Did you where a belt for those lifts?[/quote]
I haven’t worn a belt since college. My core/lower back was always the limiting factor in all squat variations for me. When I would do traditional deads my lower back muscles wouldn’t hurt, but the compression would hurt the rest of my lower back region. I still get what I want out of str8 leg deads without the pain.
My upper body is pretty well developed for a thin framed guy, now I’m concentrating on getting some over hang or sweep on my quads I guess. Hammies need more work too.
[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
My upper body is pretty well developed for a thin framed guy, now I’m concentrating on getting some over hang or sweep on my quads I guess. [/quote]
Narrow stance ATG front squats, you’re welcome 
