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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]krsoneeeee wrote:
He asked if leg extension are healthy, i gave my opinion in an athletic context because thats what i know.

None of you have brought any valid points across against my point… you know youre in trouble when people start talking about the name of the forum :confused:

You boys really need to chill out…

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No one brought any valid point? No one mentioned the angle the legs should avoid? I was sure that I did. I am also sure you don’t know shit if all you can do is parrot what you read somewhere.

I think you underestimate the training and credentials of the people you are talking to.[/quote]

I still think you need to chill out - the 90 degree thing? well done mate one piece of information that probably strengthens my argument against leg extensions anyway.

do articles from peer reviewed journals count as articles i “read somewhere”… - where do you thing your surgeon got his information???

stupidity is high here.

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[quote]krsoneeeee wrote:
sorry my brainz is really slow, [/quote]

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krsoneeee please just stop posting, or if you’d like… you can post pictures of yourself. It is going to be very hard to convince people to believe you if you have not walked the walk.

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At a seminar I attended in 2001, Paul Chek said “show me the athlete who runs like THIS!” and proceeded to hop around the room on one foot while extending the other leg through space as if he were trying to do leg extensions while running.

Well, show me the athlete who runs while squatting with a fucking barbell on his back…

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
I use a squat machine. i don’t do barbell squats. I also don’t deadlift. You have to find what works for you…and by that I mean actually finding what works and not avoiding movements just because you aren’t good at them or are lazy.

If my back was’t growing I would probably try deadlifts. If my legs were making no progress, I would probably add squats back in.[/quote]

lol u must not like doing manly exercises. whats the point in looking big if ur not strong, False Advertising. tmuscle u better not delete this post i swear to god

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[quote]hurg53 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I use a squat machine. i don’t do barbell squats. I also don’t deadlift. You have to find what works for you…and by that I mean actually finding what works and not avoiding movements just because you aren’t good at them or are lazy.

If my back was’t growing I would probably try deadlifts. If my legs were making no progress, I would probably add squats back in.[/quote]

lol u must not like doing manly exercises. whats the point in looking big if ur not strong, False Advertising. tmuscle u better not delete this post i swear to god[/quote]

?? Who said I’m not strong? That squat machine is done with 11 plates on each side for my last set.

I would LOVE to see someone weak move that shit.

What bullshit has gotten into some of your heads that you think not doing a deadlift means you don’t train heavy?

Who the hell builds a big back without it being strong?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]hurg53 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I use a squat machine. i don’t do barbell squats. I also don’t deadlift. You have to find what works for you…and by that I mean actually finding what works and not avoiding movements just because you aren’t good at them or are lazy.

If my back was’t growing I would probably try deadlifts. If my legs were making no progress, I would probably add squats back in.[/quote]

lol u must not like doing manly exercises. whats the point in looking big if ur not strong, False Advertising. tmuscle u better not delete this post i swear to god[/quote]

?? Who said I’m not strong? That squat machine is done with 11 plates on each side for my last set.

I would LOVE to see someone weak move that shit.

What bullshit has gotten into some of your heads that you think not doing a deadlift means you don’t train heavy?

Who the hell builds a big back without it being strong?[/quote]

X, ignore the troll.

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[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:

X, ignore the troll.
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No, I’ll delete the troll if he turns out to be one.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:

X, ignore the troll.
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No, I’ll delete the troll if he turns out to be one.[/quote]

Touche good sir.

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[quote]krsoneeeee wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]krazykoukides wrote:

[quote]krsoneeeee wrote:
leg extension might be good for bodybuilding, esp for bringing up the VM… but functionally they’re pretty useless (if you participate in sport) - Mainly because they train a motor pattern that you’d never use and they put a shear force across the knee which isn’t very healthy…just my 2 cents.[/quote]

I think that’s pretty misleading. If you make your quadriceps stronger - you will be able to run faster. My best friend has an elite 100m and he can do leg extensions all day with 250lbs.

Those whole bodybuilding vs. functional arguments are bullshit.[/quote]

Agreed. It holds no water and personal trainers get clients by spreading this bullshit.

The belief that a stronger bigger muscle can somehow ONLY perform the way it was trained makes no logical sense.

It implies that squatting or leg extensions won’t help you push a truck down the street. Using this logic, you could only push a truck if you trained doing walking lunges.[/quote]

I replied, not sure if it didnt post or was deleted? - I have no idea how you came to the conclusion i was implying bigger muscles wont perform in different ranges of motion…All i was “implying” was that for athlete’s there a LOT better exercises (both from a strength, functionality and prehab angle) - and what i said holds plenty of water mate, read ANYTHING and you’ll find that out.

And if you dont think there is an argument for functionality, you’re just a plane out retard.
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Functionality is a very context specific thing though, isn’t it?

Perhaps leg extensions wouldn’t be very “functional” for things like running (although even then it’s debatable), but for things like kicking a soccer ball, punting a football, or “round/thai kicks” in martial arts they do a hell of a lot better job of mimicking the specific movement pattern at the knee joint than things like squats or lunges.

People have to be careful throwing around the term “functional” without also stating the specific context that they are using the term in, or using it as some generalized term.

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@ krsoneeeee if an athlete has a weak point that isn’t being addressed by whatever he is doing isn’t strengthening it by whatever method is best(usually by doing its function which also usually means isolation) beneficial?
@ Hurg53 T bar rows > dead lifts.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
I think the people who experience pain when doing leg extensions are usually the ones who allow their legs to go all the way back and hyperstretch the patellar tendon. I’ve never had any issues doing heavy extensions, and will note that I like to start my leg sessions with them (usually followed with hacks - all the way down! - and then front squats - which I feel more in my quads than doing back squats)

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Agreed. I have severe knee pain and I still do leg extensions. I also was good friends with an orthopedic surgeon in the military who gave me the best advice…don’t adjust the seat so that your legs go less than a 90 degree angle under the seat.

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So basically just don’t let your feet go under the seat. I never fear leg extensions until I started reading this thread lol. I use them for pre exhaust for about 12-15 reps. I don’t go extremely light but I like to feel a burn. Sometimes I turn my legs in a little bit at the top of the rep to squeeze my quads. I suppose thats a no no too?

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[quote]howie424 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
I think the people who experience pain when doing leg extensions are usually the ones who allow their legs to go all the way back and hyperstretch the patellar tendon. I’ve never had any issues doing heavy extensions, and will note that I like to start my leg sessions with them (usually followed with hacks - all the way down! - and then front squats - which I feel more in my quads than doing back squats)

S[/quote]

Agreed. I have severe knee pain and I still do leg extensions. I also was good friends with an orthopedic surgeon in the military who gave me the best advice…don’t adjust the seat so that your legs go less than a 90 degree angle under the seat.

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So basically just don’t let your feet go under the seat. I never fear leg extensions until I started reading this thread lol. I use them for pre exhaust for about 12-15 reps. I don’t go extremely light but I like to feel a burn. Sometimes I turn my legs in a little bit at the top of the rep to squeeze my quads. I suppose thats a no no too?[/quote]

Why would squeezing the rep be a bad thing? I do that as well. Just avoid bending your legs so much they disappear under the seat.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]howie424 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
I think the people who experience pain when doing leg extensions are usually the ones who allow their legs to go all the way back and hyperstretch the patellar tendon. I’ve never had any issues doing heavy extensions, and will note that I like to start my leg sessions with them (usually followed with hacks - all the way down! - and then front squats - which I feel more in my quads than doing back squats)

S[/quote]

Agreed. I have severe knee pain and I still do leg extensions. I also was good friends with an orthopedic surgeon in the military who gave me the best advice…don’t adjust the seat so that your legs go less than a 90 degree angle under the seat.

[/quote]

So basically just don’t let your feet go under the seat. I never fear leg extensions until I started reading this thread lol. I use them for pre exhaust for about 12-15 reps. I don’t go extremely light but I like to feel a burn. Sometimes I turn my legs in a little bit at the top of the rep to squeeze my quads. I suppose thats a no no too?[/quote]

Why would squeezing the rep be a bad thing? I do that as well. Just avoid bending your legs so much they disappear under the seat. [/quote]

Okay I understand. Bending my legs under the seat would hurt anyways, but I was also under the impression that turning your legs in might be bad too. But it just feels so damn good it can’t be wrong!

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[quote]krsoneeeee wrote:
None of you have brought any valid points across against my point… you know youre in trouble when people start talking about the name of the forum :confused:
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it’s up to the claimant to prove their point, not the refuters to disprove it.

read a book.

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[quote]actionboy wrote:

[quote]krsoneeeee wrote:
None of you have brought any valid points across against my point… you know youre in trouble when people start talking about the name of the forum :confused:
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it’s up to the claimant to prove their point, not the refuters to disprove it.

read a book.[/quote]

You’re a clown. Shear force across the knee from leg extensions is considered general knowledge nowadays, but there are plenty of articles i could cite if you wish to read them.

It shouldn’t have been such a big deal, it was really just a passing comment about knee health. and i actually said leg extensions are GOOD for bringing up the quads so im not sure what you guys are so upset about…My initial point was there’s better ways to train the legs for athlete’s like footballers.

CHILLL!

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Interesting. I am getting my doctorate in physical therapy and we use leg extensions all the time in the clinic. We are about as “functional” of a group as it gets since the sole purpose of our job is to help people regain function.

Leg extensions help increase blood flow leading to increased capillary density. The also aid in muscle recruitment for our patients.

So apparently, leg extensions are great for people with injuries and recovery function. They are also great for bodybuilders. But yet they are “waste of time” for athletes…I don’t buy it.

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saying that something is general knowledge still isn’t proving shit. you D-bag.

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[quote]ajweins wrote:
Interesting. I am getting my doctorate in physical therapy and we use leg extensions all the time in the clinic. We are about as “functional” of a group as it gets since the sole purpose of our job is to help people regain function.

Leg extensions help increase blood flow leading to increased capillary density. The also aid in muscle recruitment for our patients.

So apparently, leg extensions are great for people with injuries and recovery function. They are also great for bodybuilders. But yet they are “waste of time” for athletes…I don’t buy it. [/quote]

Ill say it again, I never said they were BAD just that if he’s worried about his knees, DONT FUCKING DO IT!

Also, are you saying youd prescribe leg extensions for recovery? come on mate… and way to throw on a blanket term like injuries…ACL injury? youd wack them on the leg ext machine? NICE ONE

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Lol silly people are silly.

Do what works for you. Do what you see results from. It’s not hard to take monthly progress pictures, and QUITE easy to figure out which exercises are the best for your body in terms of weight potentially used, growth, “feel” factor, joint pain(or lack thereof), and leverages. Pay attention to why you’re doing shit and you won’t look and perform like a beginner after a decade of lifting like so many people here.