[quote]ChaseT wrote:
My goal is to squat more than Modi while weighing 50lbs less.[/quote]
Looks like you’ve got another 10lb to gain before you can hope to accomplish that. 
I lost 80 pounds and at a weight of a still-flabby 240 ran a 6:52 mile after having only done HITT stationary bike work for a few months and just a few weeks of jogging. I was always a fat kid and adult and had no running experience whatsoever, and yet I sub-7’d it.
So I think the “average human”, with years of training, can learn to do a 5:30 mile.
Also…
Bench: 365
Deadlift: 495
Squat: 455
Pullups: 20
all done in one week? i disagree i extremly rarely seen these numbers achieved by anyone and im around miltary people who in theory should be stronger and faster
mile 6:00
bench 275
deadlift 425
squat 405
pull ups 18
for average man around 180 to 200
ive achieved this after bootcamp and hit the weight room but i was a powerlifter prior miltary soo no one else after were even close to these weight lifting numbers but i weighed 210 comming out a little higher then the weight i suggest
[quote]Dispenser wrote:
I lost 80 pounds and at a weight of a still-flabby 240 ran a 6:52 mile after having only done HITT stationary bike work for a few months and just a few weeks of jogging. I was always a fat kid and adult and had no running experience whatsoever, and yet I sub-7’d it.
So I think the “average human”, with years of training, can learn to do a 5:30 mile.
Also…
Bench: 365
Deadlift: 495
Squat: 455
Pullups: 20[/quote]
This isn’t a ‘Hey I did it so anyone can do it’ kind of thread. You have to think of average guys and I have never seen anyone outside of track and other sports that require lots of running get under 6 min.
[quote]The Pencil Neck wrote:
I’ll tell you what, you guys are very, very optimistic of what a “normal” person could be able to train themselves up to.
I think you’re making a huge mistake not taking bodyweight and the size of the person into account. Also some people are going to have injuries that might keep them from getting to these goals.
I think a regular male person would be able to train up to a 1.25 bodyweight bench, 1.5x bodyweight squat and deadlift, probably 10-15 pullups (but this varies inversely to the weight of the person), and about an 8 minute mile.
With the pullups, the lighter the person, the more pullups they’re probably going to be able to do. A guy that weighs 145 pounds is going to be able to do a lot more pullups than a guy who’s 275#.[/quote]
These are far too low IMO. An average person should be able to do any of these in under 2 years of training. A 150 lb. guy would only need to squat and deadlift 225 to do this. That is a joke (especially the deadlifts).
[quote]hazarddude334 wrote:
all done in one week? i disagree i extremly rarely seen these numbers achieved by anyone and im around miltary people who in theory should be stronger and faster
mile 6:00
bench 275
deadlift 425
squat 405
pull ups 18
for average man around 180 to 200
ive achieved this after bootcamp and hit the weight room but i was a powerlifter prior miltary soo no one else after were even close to these weight lifting numbers but i weighed 210 comming out a little higher then the weight i suggest[/quote] This sounds about right IMO… perhaps the lifts could even go slightly higher. I’m assuming that the person trains optimally though and the only limitation is genetic. Most people simply don’t train hard enough or often enough to achieve this level of fitness.
I believe Eric Cressey said that any healthy male should be able to hit a 400 lb. deadlift within two years of training.
i can agree to the dead lift bc ive seen guys who start at 240 dead lift 425 in 10 months who trained with me and thats with leave breaks and short deployments involved
[quote]mldj wrote:
Modi wrote:
One final thought…coefficients for BW are bullshit. They aren’t linear. The only people that pay attention to these are the smaller guys who are hoping to make themselves look stronger. If I weigh 250lbs and can squat 500lbs and you weigh 200lbs and can squat 450lbs than I’m stronger than you. I don’t care if your coefficient is higher than mine, it doesn’t matter. Whoever can lift more weight is stronger. Period.
You have a point, but if one win his category with 450 lbs squat, and another don’t with 500 lbs, I’m pretty sure the former is better athlete.
Noone will argue, I think, that sport performance is a lot more dependent on relative strength than on absolute strength. Don’t go blindly absolutizing lifting maximum weight, no matter what, unless that’s what your needs set. Don’t dismiss accomplishments of guys, which don’t share your view on lifting, like the guy, who asked if Lamar Gant was anorexic.[/quote]
I’m that guy. I mean, come on, 132? If he wasnt anorexic was he a midget then?
[quote]shizen wrote:
This isn’t a ‘Hey I did it so anyone can do it’ kind of thread. You have to think of average guys and I have never seen anyone outside of track and other sports that require lots of running get under 6 min. [/quote]
shizen, I understood the premise of this thread to be “What is the average human being capable of if he dedicated himself 100%?” So of all those non-pros that you know, how many are devoted 24 hours a day to eating perfectly, supplementing, resting, getting coaching, and training hard as though their neck depends on it?
Oh, and the reason I mentioned my own mile time was PRECISELY because I felt my conditioning and experience was WORSE than the average guy (being that I was a fat boy and never ran except when I heard the dinner bell), therefore, yeah, “If I did it, anyone should be able to”.
[quote]hazarddude334 wrote:
all done in one week? i disagree i extremly rarely seen these numbers achieved by anyone and im around miltary people who in theory should be stronger and faster[/quote]
I didn’t read the entire thread, so where did this “all done in one week” requirement originate? I was only speaking to the limits of what the average human can do with proper dedication.
[quote]Dispenser wrote:
hazarddude334 wrote:
all done in one week? i disagree i extremly rarely seen these numbers achieved by anyone and im around miltary people who in theory should be stronger and faster
I didn’t read the entire thread, so where did this “all done in one week” requirement originate? I was only speaking to the limits of what the average human can do with proper dedication.[/quote]
I think what is means is that you would have to be able to acheive all of the feats listed at the same time in your life. No bulking up to 300 lbs in order to squat 500, then taking the next three years to focus on running and get under 6:00. You would have to do the lifts and run at essentially the same time with at most a few days rest in between tests.
I don’t think he meant with only a week of training.
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
BALBO wrote:
Vertical jump=30 inches
Squat=400 lb.
Deadlift=500 lb.
Bench=300 lb.
Pull-ups=30 with body weight
Body-composition=200 lb. 10 % bf
Those are my conservative estimtes.
Is the gravity different in Spain? LOLOLOL. I was in an NBA pro summer league free agent camp in 91. Watched about 100 athletes get their vertical tested. 100 great athletes that were legit ball players. 30 inches puts you at the upper end of the spectrum. Period, end of story. To say casually that 30 is attainable to the average trainee is dreaming. Where do you get this nonsense?
And a 500lb DL? LOL. This is a fairly informed and dedicated crowd here and more than half these cats can’t DL 500lbs. and NEVER WILL.
Please stop, you’re killing me.
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I don’t know about this, but I come from a weightlifting camp. And just about everybody here are light. Say about, most of our lifters are about 70KG’s and below. Most of us however, can pull 400LBS, without specific training to the deadlift.
I’d reckon, if one were to put a hand at deadlifting, we SHOULD be able to pull 500, especially with a lil gain in weight. I could be wrong though.
Our coach was one of China’s former national weightlifter, with Zhang Guozheng being his god-brother (he’s only 28) and believes that with triples and doubles, every single lifter in our gym will and can reach a 400LBS squat.(3 already have at 69KG class)
So in line with that assumption, wouldn’t it be quite safe to say that they’d pull at least 450LBS? (The 3 boys already do, and they are about 20 yrs of age) And most grown up men with time put to training CAN get a 500LBS pull.
PS:I hope my conversions are right, because we use bumper plates not those regular plates, it’s in KG.
Nah, he wasn’t midget, and I’m prety sure anorexics don’t have such builds. He had the deadlift and the bench press record in his category. Deadlift record still stands, don’t know about the bench press.
The topic is becoming some kind of dick-weaving contest.
“I think 500 DL, 450 SQ, 350 BP are normal, 'cause I pull 500 with only 10 months DL training…
And I’m only 17!!!”
[quote]mldj wrote:
Nah, he wasn’t midget, and I’m prety sure anorexics don’t have such builds. He had the deadlift and the bench press record in his category. Deadlift record still stands, don’t know about the bench press.
The topic is becoming some kind of dick-weaving contest.
“I think 500 DL, 450 SQ, 350 BP are normal, 'cause I pull 500 with only 10 months DL training…
And I’m only 17!!!”[/quote]
He’s definitely lean, I’m just genuinely curious as to his height. How any male with any appreciable level of muscle mass - which I would say he has - could weigh less than I did as a painfully skinny sophmore in high school.
Based on calculations from this picture: http://www.ivanko.com/mw_archive/images/lamar_dl.jpg
I came up with 4’10"
IINM, he has a certain condition or something. Where his spine somehow compresses itself with the pressure thus shortening the length between his arms and the ground.
Also note his orangutan length arms.
one of the most retarded and unintentionally funny threads I have read in a long while…
So let me add my own idiocracy to it…
Have any of you all been to a shopping mall lately?
I think you grossly overestimate what the average man is capable of acheiving.
At one time I came across ‘strength norms for college age men’ …if you could bench your BW, you were in the top 10% !!! Presumably this included a random sampling of football players, wrestlers and others who had been exposed to weights at some point.
My persoanl experience with non-lifters has born this out. I have worked plenty of blue collar and construction jobs…rarely could any one of those guys put up two plates, even though from looking at them or hear them talk you would think they could bench 495.
…and squatting.??? Give me a break! Even in the gym I don’t see more than 10% of the people squatting more than BW w/ good form.
I know what you’re saying “But they could if they trained real hard and ate right…” Bullshit! They would just get hurt join the multitudes who have bad knees anbacks…
Oh, and while I’m at it - to those who say "“Well I weigh 240 and ran a mile in 7:10, so if I lost a little weight I’m sure I could get 5:30” You obviously have never seriously trained (well, I guess you already admitted that) but there is a big diffence between a 7:00 mile and a 6:00 mile and an even bigger difference between a 6:00 mile and a 5:45 mile…much less a 5:30 mile.
[quote]hazarddude334 wrote:
all done in one week? i disagree i extremly rarely seen these numbers achieved by anyone and im around miltary people who in theory should be stronger and faster
mile 6:00
bench 275
deadlift 425
squat 405
pull ups 18
[/quote]
Even hazarddude is a little more optimistic than I would be.
On the bright side, If you are benching three big plates and squatting/DLing close to 2X BW - you are Godlike compared to most folks walking around (For that matter, if you squat ass-to-grass with 135 you are probably stronger than 99/100 people)
[quote]BALBO wrote:
TheBodyGuard wrote:
BALBO wrote:
Vertical jump=30 inches
Squat=400 lb.
Deadlift=500 lb.
Bench=300 lb.
Pull-ups=30 with body weight
Body-composition=200 lb. 10 % bf
Those are my conservative estimtes.
Is the gravity different in Spain? LOLOLOL. I was in an NBA pro summer league free agent camp in 91. Watched about 100 athletes get their vertical tested. 100 great athletes that were legit ball players. 30 inches puts you at the upper end of the spectrum. Period, end of story. To say casually that 30 is attainable to the average trainee is dreaming. Where do you get this nonsense?
And a 500lb DL? LOL. This is a fairly informed and dedicated crowd here and more than half these cats can’t DL 500lbs. and NEVER WILL.
Please stop, you’re killing me.
Let me reply with some points…
1.Dont focus on just basketball.Pro basketball players could be 2 meters high ( 6-7 ft) and 100-105 kg (220-230 lb.) heavy.Its doesnt relate all that good to trained or untrained vertical jump of an average 178 cm and 80 kg man (5-10 ft and 180 lb.).
So 30 inch vertical on the big 230 lb. player is very good,but is it good for a 5-11 170 lb. point guard? No.
2.I have read measurements of vertical jump in average untrained men.Its about 20 inches in most studies.Some say its 22 inches.
3.If we assume its 20 inches,we can assume that losing extra fat on average male( 15-20 bf) would without training add about 3 inches.
So we get to about 23 inches.
4.to train the average male in jumping and heavy squatting and deadlifting for years would in my opinion result in adding 7 more inches in vertical.
5.if you can get average male to 160 lb. bodyweight with single digit body-fat to do double-bodyweight squat and train him in plyometrics for years,what is so unrealistic in getting him to jump 30 inches high?
6.if you ever deadlifted seriously,you must know that getting double-bodyweight deadlift is not that hard.That is if you are healthy and not weak(under-average).
But after that you can with fanatical training add more and more pounds on your dead.Maybe not your triple-bw,but surely some weight over your double-bw.
7.I bet that majority of people on this forum that are deadlift-trained cna pull over 400 lb.,but are not near their max potential.
8.Dont confuse what is and what CAN be achieved.
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After reading that, all sense of civility must be put aside and I must distill the following reply to its core truth.
Simply put, you are clueless.
I say let’s give ol Balbos the incentive (financial incentive) he needs to put his ideas to the test. I say we come up with a “Balbos Fund” (don’t worry, your money will be safe). We all pledge X amount of dollars for Balbos to provide documented video proof (with judge present) of him achieving all the numbers he says are achievable. With a good following, the “Balbos Fund” could grow quite large. Let me be the first to pledge.
Someone earlier mentioned “internetting” about how much they squat. That is priceless. Let’s put a stop to Balbos “internetting” uninformed opinions and lay down the gauntlet once and for all.
We have no doubt that Balbos is quite “average” and apparently a healthy male (mental status and training ideas aside). Surely there will be no barrier to his accepting the challenge and our money.
[quote]testolius wrote:
one of the most retarded and unintentionally funny threads I have read in a long while… [/quote]
So you’re claiming that you’ve actually read it?
Yeah, most people don’t lift weights. The thread is mostly ‘retarded’ because of posts like this. (Though I take some credit for stirring the pot.) Why the hell would you compare the strength of someone who works out to a sedentary individual? All these people who’ve never stepped in a gym have no bearing on a discussion about the fitness potential of weight training males.