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Oh, and basketball players that don’t play point guard aren’t gonna have great verticals. Being extremely tall and running the floor several nights a week are two things that are extremely counterproductive to having great leaping ability.

As long as we’re talking about elite athletes that really have nothing to do with this topic, if you measured 100 legit football prospects’ verticals, 30 inches would be low-end. Explosiveness is more important to their discipline, and they happen to be better at it. Imagine that.

Mr. Obvious signing off…

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[quote]Dirty_Bulk wrote:
Oh, and basketball players that don’t play point guard aren’t gonna have great verticals. Being extremely tall and running the floor several nights a week are two things that are extremely counterproductive to having great leaping ability.

As long as we’re talking about elite athletes that really have nothing to do with this topic, if you measured 100 legit football prospects’ verticals, 30 inches would be low-end. Explosiveness is more important to their discipline, and they happen to be better at it. Imagine that.

Mr. Obvious signing off…[/quote]

Where do you get your information? Do me a favor, stop mindlessly pontificating and speculating and back up these authoratative opinions of yours by providing us with a sample data set of NBA verticals to compare to the NFL combine verticals? Do you even have the NFL combine verticals? Or do you just make this up? Are you just “internetting”?

Sincerely,

Mr. Obviously Informed

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Just kill this thread already. Please. Let this be the last post. I hate getting “Subscribed topic reply” in my email because of this thread.

THERE IS NO FUCKING RIGHT ANSWER. THE QUESTION IS TOO OPEN-ENDED AND POINTLESS.

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According to vertcoach.com, the average defensive back in the NFL has a 40" vertical leap.

The average NBA vertical leap (EVERY POSITION) is 28", according to topendsports.com.

That took me about two minutes, if that.

Refer to my previous post.

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[quote]Dirty_Bulk wrote:
testolius wrote:
one of the most retarded and unintentionally funny threads I have read in a long while…

So you’re claiming that you’ve actually read it?[/quote]

WTF?

[quote]On the bright side, If you are benching three big plates and squatting/DLing close to 2X BW - you are Godlike compared to most folks walking around (For that matter, if you squat ass-to-grass with 135 you are probably stronger than 99/100 people)

Yeah, most people don’t lift weights. The thread is mostly ‘retarded’ because of posts like this. (Though I take some credit for stirring the pot.) Why the hell would you compare the strength of someone who works out to a sedentary individual? All these people who’ve never stepped in a gym have no bearing on a discussion about the fitness potential of weight training males.[/quote]

Au contraire my friend…

You act as if everyone is nothing more than a bag of skin and muscles, and with the right training stimulus, could easily bench 400# squat #500 and DL #600…

…and from where does that stimulus come?

I’ll tell you, my friend…it comes from the brain - yes, that’s right, potentially the strongest organ in the body.

But what do we know about most people’s brains?

That they are weak and underused. And that weak and underused mind is simply not going to provide the consistent stimulus to put in the work necessary to achieve the rest of the body’s true potential.

Look around you in the gym right now. Already we are seeing the New-Year’s-resolution-fitness-wannabes dropping out. Their bodies may have had the potential to bench press 400#, but their minds found excuses to NOT do it.

And look at all of the poor misguided souls around you who are trying to get hyuuuge doing endless repetitions and variations of biceps curls. They are as dedicated as can be, but woefully misguided, and it was their minds that sent them down that path, even though the information necessary to workout effectively there is freely available for all to see.

Add to it the people who injure themselves…(and the people that tell themselves that they’re hurt)

If 300# benches are so common, how come I don’t see more of them. I admit, I just work out at a Y, and there’s not a lot of super serious lifters there, but there are some big boys and seldom do we see anyone with over 315 on the bench, much less the squat (not to mention, the only time I see someone deadlifting is when I look in the mirror.)

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well u said it u go the Y, go to a real gym and I know many over 300 pound benchers just two of use over 400. i see many people who train as much as me but just get over the 315 mark i truely believe that most people cant bench 400 just dont have it in them physically from injuries or bad luck just cant happen no matter how dedicated or smart.

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Sigh, I cant believe I’m replying to this thread, but what the heck.

An observation - about 50% of the people are using the argument “Well, this is what I lift, so people ought to be able to do AT LEAST this” and the other 50% are saying “No, no, this is T-Nation, we’re all above average, etc etc”

Here’s what I dont understand: if the second argument is correct (everyone posting on this thread is genetically blessed) then where are all the freaks? As far as I know NOBODY on this site is ANYBODY of consequence in the athletic world. We may have a few powerlifting state record holders, but I know of no nat’l record holders. I know some of the guys who compete in bodybuilding and posted their pics ont eh physiquyeand performance photos thread got some deserved attention, but I know of no NPC champs, let alone pros.

I could go on like this for any of the iron games - none of us have OL numbers good enough to get us into the OTC, for example, no HG guys, no strongman guys of any consequence. I honestly wonder how many of us were even all that good in HS. I know we have a few DI athletes here, and if more than a handful - if that - have posted on this thread, that MIGHT give the “we’re all genetic freaks” idea more merit.

You can make the argument that we’re genetically blessed for one sport and one sport ONLY. But how often does that happen. In grammar school the kids picked first for baseball were teh first picked for basketball and for kickball and for ever other sport. A few exceptions, but i believe that’s generally true. An interesting tidbit I just picked up - stephen neal, starting RG for teh patriots NEVER PLAYED A DOWN OF FOOTBALL IN COLLEGE. He was however, a ncaa wrestling champion. Now THAT is genetic freakiness. The guys just a good athlete and he parlayed one schowcasing of his ability into an opportunity in another.

I think hte basis for this comes from the fact that
a) i know where I came from. I was never a natural at any sport I played. i would accept that I had a predispostion towards weightlifting in terms of my ATTITUDE (which opens the door for the nature/nurture debate, but anyway…) and my genetics are certainly not garbage. But I refuse to believe that I was given the short end of the stick in every athletic endeavor except the one that matters least in our country and

b) I know how far I have to go. There are PLENTY of guys better than me. If I’m genetically blessed what on earth are they? Genetically engineered?

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KBCThird…that’s a great post.

Now please, everyone else, no more douchey arguments. That post should sum it all up.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Dirty_Bulk wrote:
Oh, and basketball players that don’t play point guard aren’t gonna have great verticals. Being extremely tall and running the floor several nights a week are two things that are extremely counterproductive to having great leaping ability.

As long as we’re talking about elite athletes that really have nothing to do with this topic, if you measured 100 legit football prospects’ verticals, 30 inches would be low-end. Explosiveness is more important to their discipline, and they happen to be better at it. Imagine that.

Mr. Obvious signing off…

Where do you get your information? Do me a favor, stop mindlessly pontificating and speculating and back up these authoratative opinions of yours by providing us with a sample data set of NBA verticals to compare to the NFL combine verticals? Do you even have the NFL combine verticals? Or do you just make this up? Are you just “internetting”?

Sincerely,

Mr. Obviously Informed
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He is right about this. Football players tend to be better jumpers for several reasons:

  1. Really tall people tend not to jump as well.

  2. Basketball requires far more endurance. Its difficult to be explosive and have good endurance. Basketball players must compromise on this as a good vertical does nothing for you if your sucking wind on the bench.

  3. Football players basically spend all their time in the weightroom during the offseason. Many basketball players spend it playing pickup.

  4. Basketball requires more skill. Thus, a lot of guys who are sub-par athletes (compared to their level of competition) can excel due to having really good skills (Steve Kerr, Jason Kapono, Reggie Miller, Larry Bird etc.). The only position where that happens in football is QB. There aren’t a lot of RBs or WRs that are slow and small but still really good.