Goals That CAN Be Achieved By Everyone

i dont think a strongman who weighs 300 plus pound could ever achieve that and me being in the navy find it extremly hard to believe that most people can get that the best ive done was 21 mintues in a 5k never cared for running and i avoid it but that runs seems like most people would have to train for a long time just to meet these requirments and hope for the best.

6 mintue mile nothing lol i think a bench of 300 is, so its all the eye of the beholder.
my guess if some one trained for 3 months who was allready average shape bench there weight 3 times pull close to twice there bw squat twice there bw

[quote]lavi wrote:
Maybe I’m misunderstanding your post, but I think you misunderstood the original query: “What do YOU think are some standards that EVERY healthy male could achieve, naturally and honestly, will good ole’ hard work and some time. I’m not saying easily achieve, but achievable.” (I added the *'s)

I think 500/400/550, 50+ pullups and a 5:30 mile are certainly achievable by an average young male with many years left to train. (basically what Dirty_Bulk posted). I’m not sure if the 500/400/550 could be achieved at the same time as the 50+ pullups & 5:30 mile, but at least if separated into 2 groups, they are very achievable in an average young male’s lifetime.[/quote]

Well, maybe it’s an age thing, but I translate “every healthy male” as every healthy male between the age of 16 and 60. I started training in my mid-30’s. I will never, ever bench 400#. Right now, after YEARS of training, my squat is at 440# and my deadlift is at 475# (at a bodyweight of 198#). There is no way I will ever do 50 pullups.

I know guys that have been training for powerlifting competitions and have been competing for 15-20 years and they’ve never come close to those numbers even with squat suits and bench shirts.

I mean, come on, the AAU Raw World record for the squat at 165# is 501# and at 181#, it’s only 575#. Do you really think that EVERYONE can come that close to the World Record? Are we talking real lifts or are we talking the “cheat” versions of the lifts that guys do at gyms? The Raw World Record in the AAU for the bench press at 181# is 370#.

I’m gonna have to second that Benching 300 is nothing like a 6:00 mile. Think about your high school. If you went to a school with an average program, the strongest football players might have been flirting with 300 on the bench but surely every dude on the cross country team and most of the soccer team could run a sub 6:00 mile.

You can find a 14 year old who can run a 6:00 mile pretty easily.

It’s very rare to find a 14 year old who can bench 300.

But for fitness goals that I think any non-disabled man can achieve are…

40" Box Jump
2X Bodyweight Deadlift
10 Pull-ups

we hade a couple guys benching 300 plus in high school and my senior year i hit 405. never ran a 6 mintue mile though but seen a lot more people run 6 mintue mile then bench 300 but if u get a group of 30 year old i think that stat could change a lot most 30 year olds i now bench more then high school but are slower now

Genetic ability and mental ability are two very, VERY different things.

Who knows what most people are capable because they’ll always be too weak mentally to ever achieve it.

Just look at the obesity epidemic, if people were stronger they wouldn’t be so damn fat.

What a pointless thread.

It makes no sense to come up with a list of things that EVERY healthy male will be able to do in his lifetime. My friend, 19, couldn’t bench more than 65 lbs the first time he tried. I highly doubt he will be able to quintuple his strength in his life for a 315, let alone 500 as some of you are saying. And I see a lot of males walking around who look to be even weaker than that.

[quote]So I’d say for strength goals:
225 Bench
315 Squat
405 Dead
225 Pullup (BW + Extra = 225).
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I can do all of these things and I haven’t even been training for a year. And the 150 lbs+75 lbs pullup (225) came to me within the first few times of doing weighted pullups.

A list of things that everyone can achieve would be sub par for many, and ridiculously easy for some. What’s the point? Why do people try to generalize like this. To make you feel good about yourselves? Sigh.

[quote]The Pencil Neck wrote:
Dirty_Bulk wrote:
This thread is a real eye opener. Do you guys really think that an average trainee is incapable of a 2x bodyweight squat? That’s 360@180, 400@200, or 500@250. A 1.5x bodyweight bench is 270@180, 300@200, or 375@250. These are good numbers for a high school student, but not a serious adult.

The vast majority of people are not athletes. The vast majority of people have never done anything seriously athletic in their lives. You’re right, those are pretty good numbers for a high school athlete now think about how many people at a high school are athletes. When they grow up, almost all of the athletes will turn into non-athletes and very few of the non-athletes will turn into athletes.

Over the past 10-15 years, I’ve worked with a lot of trainers, I’ve trained a few people, I’ve been in a lot of gyms, but more importantly I’ve worked in a lot of offices and I’ve lived in a lot of places across the US. And your view of how athletic most people are is very, very off.

If you take the average guy off the street, even a fairly athletic guy, they’re not going to be able to bench bodyweight without several months of training. When I first started benching, I was about 35 years old and I weighed 175# and I could barely bench 135# after several months in the gym. It took me several months to work my bench up to 175#… and by that time, my weight was up to 200#. :frowning:

There was recently a challenge on a certain football site and one of the regular posters on this blog, who’s a 43 year old guy, lost a bet and had to do 25 pushups. He couldn’t do it. That’s most guys out there.

However, I think with training, and it might take several years, I think most guys can squat/deadlift 2x bodyweight and bench 1.25x bodyweight. But saying that a regular guy is going to be able to squat 500# and do 50 pullups is ridiculous.

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Yeah, but I don’t think this is is about what the average guy is GOING to achieve. This is about the potential of a guy with average genetics COULD achieve should they find it in them to work diligently for a period of time and train and eat properly. Most that could conceivably reach these numbers will not.

Can you also run 3 miles in 18 minutes?

I keep saying it: the question was what can one achieve when you have to be able to run a distance quickly and lift heavy shit?

And chill, mate. Its just an Internet discussion!

[quote]Racarnus wrote:
What a pointless thread.

It makes no sense to come up with a list of things that EVERY healthy male will be able to do in his lifetime. My friend, 19, couldn’t bench more than 65 lbs the first time he tried. I highly doubt he will be able to quintuple his strength in his life for a 315, let alone 500 as some of you are saying. And I see a lot of males walking around who look to be even weaker than that.

So I’d say for strength goals:
225 Bench
315 Squat
405 Dead
225 Pullup (BW + Extra = 225).

I can do all of these things and I haven’t even been training for a year. And the 150 lbs+75 lbs pullup (225) came to me within the first few times of doing weighted pullups.

A list of things that everyone can achieve would be sub par for many, and ridiculously easy for some. What’s the point? Why do people try to generalize like this. To make you feel good about yourselves? Sigh.[/quote]

My fat ass could run a 6 minute at 270 and still not be able to bench 300 two years ago in high school. Aerobic endurance is so easy to achieve.

I don’t think distance running necessarily would interfere with heavy lifting. There are many notable triathletes, boxers, strongmen, with a very good combination of endurance and strength. It would mean you would have to eat and diet more carefully.

To answer your question, I can’t run 3 miles in 18 minutes. The best I’ve ever done is 3.1 miles in 20, and that was over 5 years ago and I haven’t run seriously since. If I wanted to attempt to run and maintain my strength, it would make dieting even more difficult, and I don’t see the point right now.

[quote]jsbrook wrote:
Yeah, but I don’t think this is is about what the average guy is GOING to achieve. This is about the potential of a guy with average genetics COULD achieve should they find it in them to work diligently for a period of time and train and eat properly. Most that could conceivably reach these numbers will not.[/quote]

You do realize that for a lot of weight classes, those numbers would represent world records? I don’t normally associate “average genetics” and “world records”.

And I don’t think the question was as hypothetical as you make it.

[quote]Dirty_Bulk wrote:

To actually answer the question, these are what I think the average, healthy male body is capable of:

500 Squat
500 Dead
400 Bench
50+ Pullups
5:30 Mile

I didn’t say this is what most people will achieve, but what most can achieve.[/quote]

Those lifts raw? I don’t see to many people actually being able to pull 500 or bench 400 raw.

[quote]John S. wrote:
Dirty_Bulk wrote:

To actually answer the question, these are what I think the average, healthy male body is capable of:

500 Squat
500 Dead
400 Bench
50+ Pullups
5:30 Mile

I didn’t say this is what most people will achieve, but what most can achieve.

Those lifts raw? I don’t see to many people actually being able to pull 500 or bench 400 raw.[/quote]

With a 500 deadlift and a 400 bench, that man must have arms short enough that they don’t pass his nipples.

And a squat the same as a deadlift raw? That’s VERY uncommon from what I’ve seen.

[quote]Dirty_Bulk wrote:
mldj wrote:
I don’t agree about the 50+ pullups part. It must be because no one trains pullups like bench pressing, but I haven’t seen someone doing something with close resemblance to pullups for 50 reps.

That’s the thing; the bench press is the most overrated, over worked excercise in American gyms. conversely, the pullup is used by only serious trainees, and even then, used during a much smaller fraction of the training time. I’d say that 50 pullups is a more conservative estimate than a 405 dead or 365 squat, but most of us will not work anywhere near our genetic potential for this excercise.[/quote]

I beg to differ, my friend. The thing is that I’m one of the guys that really like pullups, I think I’m fairly good at them, and have done them a lot more than deadlifts and squats.
I can do one-arm pullup, and do pullup with 120 lbs, but when it comes to reps, I’ve never done more than 30. And not because it didn’t fit my goals, for quite a lot of time, I was doing pullups with 45 reps in mind as final benchmark. I just couldn’t.
And I have 2.5xBW deadlift after 1/2 year deadlift training.
The funny thing is that I’m 150 lbs, so I would have been a perfect target for proving your theory.
Bottom line - 50 pullups is NOT a conservative estimate for an average guy, not even for above the average.

[quote]mldj wrote:
Dirty_Bulk wrote:
mldj wrote:
I don’t agree about the 50+ pullups part. It must be because no one trains pullups like bench pressing, but I haven’t seen someone doing something with close resemblance to pullups for 50 reps.

That’s the thing; the bench press is the most overrated, over worked excercise in American gyms. conversely, the pullup is used by only serious trainees, and even then, used during a much smaller fraction of the training time. I’d say that 50 pullups is a more conservative estimate than a 405 dead or 365 squat, but most of us will not work anywhere near our genetic potential for this excercise.

I beg to differ, my friend. The thing is that I’m one of the guys that really like pullups, I think I’m fairly good at them, and have done them a lot more than deadlifts and squats.
I can do one-arm pullup, and do pullup with 120 lbs, but when it comes to reps, I’ve never done more than 30. And not because it didn’t fit my goals, for quite a lot of time, I was doing pullups with 45 reps in mind as final benchmark. I just couldn’t.
And I have 2.5xBW deadlift after 1/2 year deadlift training.
The funny thing is that I’m 150 lbs, so I would have been a perfect target for proving your theory.
Bottom line - 50 pullups is NOT a conservative estimate for an average guy, not even for above the average.[/quote]

How long have you been training? Are you nearing the end of your training days? Can you do 50+ reps in multiple sets? Have you tried gradually decreasing the rest intervals?

You guys must be benching a lot…

For the commerical gyms I go to I rarely see people get one rep at BW let alone for multiple reps, let alone 300lbs!

I’d say for the big 3 (it goes BP, squat, DL right?)

1x bw; 1.5x bw; DL 1.5x bw)

These are all doable and within reason for most people.

I think I’ve only ever seen one guy BP 300lbs at the lunchtime gym. Wheres at my Oly club I have seen this strongman/ PL guy do 220kg and 6reps reps at 180kg raw.

6min mile is quite tough. REMEMBER this isn’t the HS kid that are active and in shape. We’re talking about the mid 20’s late 20’s guy that is not in his peak of conditioning and has been out of sports for a while!

Koing

[quote]Koing wrote:
I’d say for the big 3 (it goes BP, squat, DL right?)

1x bw; 1.5x bw; DL 1.5x bw)

These are all doable and within reason for most people.
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It’s actually normally squat/BP/DL. That’s the order they’re performed at meets.

Just for future reference.

All of the numbers you guys mentioned here are biased and based on personal experience and stuff you’ve read. There is no empirical way of determining what goals can be achieved by everyone.

[quote]undeadlift wrote:
All of the numbers you guys mentioned here are biased and based on personal experience and stuff you’ve read. There is no empirical way of determining what goals can be achieved by everyone.[/quote]

I think everyone knows this