[quote]Kakarat wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]Nman wrote:
This is a really sad discussion. I don’t usually respond because I don’t spend a lot of times on forums, i usually read the articles and get back to work but this thread name caught my attention and I wanted to see what it was about. I didn’t read it all but I feel like I read enough and I feel like I should give my two cents. A few things, I was a virgin until I got married and was glad. I’m a religious person and was taught about sexual purity and know that it’s a true doctrine. I have two little girls and I’m scared to death of them finding guys like you. Guys that don’t care about who my daughters are, guys that think my daughters are just a good time and have no respect for them. It’s sad! It’s no wonder that the Family in the US is breaking down and the consequences of that are the real problems behind the issues in our country. Men aren’t men anymore. Sure everyone on this site lifts and talks big but how many would give up everything for their wife? How many men selflessly put their wives needs/wants in front of their own? How many men are fully committed to their wives/marriages? Look at the divorce stats and you’ll see not many. Being a man to me means being fully committed to your wife, to your kids and to marriage. There are reasons for a divorce (not saying there isn’t) but the current trend is disturbing and shows that men and women aren’t as dedicated to each other as they could/should be. Whenever I have issues in my marriage the best solution is to turn away from my wants and my needs and to put my wife’s wants/needs above my own. Women are unique and special and need to be treated as such! [/quote]
You are a Mormon, yes? You probably live in a community of like-minded individuals. An “oasis of faith” if you will. Your wife was raised similarly to you, right? If this is the case, then congratulations, my friend. Your faith and your church are a CENTRAL part of your life, your paradigm and your existence. That is the ONLY way that your belief system will work. If you took that structure away, it would all come crashing down like a house of cards.
Look at Victorian society, or the society of many Muslim countries: the whole SYSTEM is designed to keep a woman’s baser instincts and emotions in check. The punishment for adultery ranged from social ostracism to death by stoning. The risk was not worth the reward. A woman’s instinct to SURVIVE trumped her instinct to fuck the pool boy.
But now in today’s society that “structure” is gone. What is the consequence of adultery? In the world of no-fault divorce, it means a woman can take half of your shit… And get a hefty alimony settlement on top of it! There is NO check and balance. In fact, we have the opposite: a shallow culture of, “You GO girl!” fueled by tabloids and reality television that actually PROMOTES indiscretion, “real cheating housewives”, and an attitude of unabashed ENTITLEMENT. Tiger Woods’ ex wife got 100 MILLION DOLLARS <<>> and she never touched a golf club except to physically ASSAULT him with it! (an act for which she was never charged). She was a fucking BABYSITTER, but I digress.
That’s the world that the REST of us live in. In that world, if you put a woman’s needs selflessly in front of your own, she will take it, take your shit, and expect a check for the rest of her life and for what? For spending a few minutes on her back a few times a month when she felt you “deserved” or had “earned” some pussy?
The relationship that you describe can ONLY be achieved when a woman is invested in the concept that a man is the head of the household and when she trusts him to lead his family through the treacherous minefield of life in the modern world. By treacherous, I mean filled with opportunity to “slip” on the banana peel of opportunistic infidelity. If you look at times in history when marriage actually worked, you will find a patriarchal society. Because that’s what it takes to work.
You simply CANNOT have a society where every hedonistic whim is glorified for all to see, coveted by most and open for experimentation to all and reasonably expect a greater majority of people (men and women) to NOT want a taste of that forbidden fruit. That is the society the REST of us live in…
Our society systematically castrates men financially, legally and by default emotionally. This leads to men who have never known what it’s like to lead, or even PRETEND to act like a man. They live in a masturbatory world of irresponsibility coupled with immediate gratification. It’s no wonder most women wouldn’t trust them deep down to lead - they don’t deserve that trust. And without that trust, a woman’s fancy is fleeting. Her attraction and attention will bounce around like a rubber ball from one bright shiny thing to another. In her thirties when her youth fades and she figures out that she WON’T be the next CEO of Yahoo (despite what the MEDIA had TOLD her: that it was her birth right, that she was all-powerful, and that her pussy made the world go round) she will bitterly settle down with a beta provider, cut her hair short and squeeze out a couple of kids who she will then smother with all the self esteem bullshit required by the PC police and make sure they get their trophy for setting foot on the field as she trucks them back and forth from soccer practice. She will perpetuate the progressive cycle. Her husband, of course, will “respect her” and agree with her because of two things: he doesn’t know any better because the MEDIA has brainwashed him into thinking that he, like all men these days, is supposed to sit on the couch with our hands down our pants like Al Bundy letting the world make our decisions for us; AND the fact that it is “cheaper to keep her”. He doesn’t want to rock the boat because he knows that she will take HALF of his shit ANY TIME SHE WANT’S TO. So it’s best to stay on her good side.
That’s not a marriage, that’s a prison. And THAT’s the world that the rest of us live in. If you worry about your daughters, keep them close and don’t let them leave the “oasis” of faith and structure that the Mormon church gives you. Because if you do, they WILL take a bite of the apple.
I am NOT a religious person. I don’t believe in fairy tales, Santa Clause, the Easter Bunny or some imaginary man in the sky who loves me unconditionally, but hates homosexuals and shrimp. But I respect YOUR right to believe whatever you like. And you know what? There’s a part of me that ENVIES your faith and the fact that you have a community that is structured to preserve the nuclear family above all else. But I’m sure you will concede that YOU and YOUR COMMUNITY are the exception and not the rule, yes? That being the case, how can you logically think that selflessly putting a woman’s wants, needs and whims above our own will realistically “work” for the rest of us when we don’t have a society in place to provide the necessary negative feedback loop to keep a woman’s “curiosity” in check?[/quote]
Pretty good synopsis
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Angry Chicken, thou art quite zen
