I am not able to find that research. The hypothesis is that a hyperthyroid state leads to muscle damage through lipid peroxidation, but I cannot find any material linking the “other thyroid and glandular problems” to CNS fatigue, or muscle fatigue leading to CNS fatigue. The inverse certainly is true; CNS fatigue will lead to decreased muscular performance. If what you say is legit science, point me in the right direction.
bABoon: I’ll see if i can find it. I’m fairly certain my boss still has it laying on his desk.
Deload, then find a PL program if you’re into maximum strength.
The easiest thing to do when lifting is to overcomplicate or overdo things.
That being said, progress is never linear. Sometimes progress is slower, or you regress, but
if you never give up, you will increase every lift every year.
food
[quote]StormTheBeach wrote:
[quote]hurg53 wrote:
Damn u guys talk alot…shut up and lift [/quote]
Fantastic advice.
This thread is like watching two retards try to hump a door knob.[/quote]
I like the door knob analogy & use it frequently.
[quote]legacyfighter wrote:
H4M: I wasnt worrying about CNS activation. Everyone was telling me that I was overtraining my CNS. I just use the partials because they help my main lift on the given day. Again, I really don’t think my volume is too high, because I’m not overtrained, and my lifts have started to come back up.
Stronghold: I only said that I wasn’t overtrained and that partials help me when i lift. All other advice was more than welcome. Only I would know if I was overtrained, but others haven’t been able to grasp that. Obviously I was right about that, because my lifts have began to progress again, while actually slightly increasing the volume. I also never said that i knew more than everyone. But i do have a good concept of how the nervous system acts and reacts.[/quote]
If your young in my experience you don’t know when you’re overtrained. Most go to far and after many years you learn to see the road your going down. Your volume was to high , especially when you were getting less sleep.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
[quote]legacyfighter wrote:
H4M: I wasnt worrying about CNS activation. Everyone was telling me that I was overtraining my CNS. I just use the partials because they help my main lift on the given day. Again, I really don’t think my volume is too high, because I’m not overtrained, and my lifts have started to come back up.
Stronghold: I only said that I wasn’t overtrained and that partials help me when i lift. All other advice was more than welcome. Only I would know if I was overtrained, but others haven’t been able to grasp that. Obviously I was right about that, because my lifts have began to progress again, while actually slightly increasing the volume. I also never said that i knew more than everyone. But i do have a good concept of how the nervous system acts and reacts.[/quote]
If your young in my experience you don’t know when you’re overtrained. Most go to far and after many years you learn to see the road your going down. Your volume was to high , especially when you were getting less sleep.
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Know what me and the guys I lift with do to prep our CNS’s? We all make out before we start our training session. It excites the CNS and makes about as much sense as your responses. Please God someone kill this thread.
I prep my cns with coffee or just realizing that lifting heavy stuff is fun and it beats shoveling shit.
He’s doing to much fancy brain thinking stuff and book learning things without enough experience to know that this stuff isn’t rocket surgery. It’s lifting heavy stuff. Many dummies have gotten bug and strong without sacrifcing dumb, priming the cns, or timing protein intake to no later than 27.476 minutes after the last heavy thing.
I hit a good pr, I cut some stuff that day. Prs put you near the edge.
When it’s more rep stuff, I do more volume. This is easy stuff people.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
I prep my cns with coffee or just realizing that lifting heavy stuff is fun and it beats shoveling shit.
He’s doing to much fancy brain thinking stuff and book learning things without enough experience to know that this stuff isn’t rocket surgery. It’s lifting heavy stuff. Many dummies have gotten bug and strong without sacrifcing dumb, priming the cns, or timing protein intake to no later than 27.476 minutes after the last heavy thing.
I hit a good pr, I cut some stuff that day. Prs put you near the edge.
When it’s more rep stuff, I do more volume. This is easy stuff people. [/quote]
x50 billion. Everyone is searching for this perfect magic bullet that’s going to make them the incredible hulk in 3 weeks. Nothing that’s easy is worth doing and that is why getting strong is hard as shit. Not hard in the way that most of these threads talk about/argue about programming and raw vs GEAR. Hard in a way that it takes patience and honesty with yourself. Everyone overguesses the shit out of what they can lift, me included sometimes, and base all thier numbers on dreams. Dreams dont lift the fucking weights. Books dont lift the weights. Gear, steroids, perfect nutrition, and perfect programming dont lift the weights either. Lifting the fucking weights lifts the weights.
Man, this shit pisses me off. Especially when someone pretends to want advice but really just wants to go “Look what I made” in some weird attempt to impress someone.
Here is my advice from now on: Westdside Rules.
You guys really aren’t reading my posts, or i’m not making it clear enough. I dont do this shit to prime my CNS, i could care less about that. All i care about is that it makes me stronger on the days i do it. so why not do it?
Storm: I really do want advice, and I have taken plenty of it. I posted my program not to say, “look what I made.” i posted it to see if other people had ideas on different accessory lifts I could use to get my maxes to go back up. I posted why I chose the accessory lifts that i chose in order to see if others thought they could be replaced by something more effective for my weaknesses. but because i wrote down my program, everyone has given me shit about too much volume and saying that i’m worried too much about priming the CNS. Again, i dont care about priming the CNS, i do the partials first because they work for me. I’m also not overtrained. Hell, I’ve made progress on the big three using Sheiko, while dieting. If that didnt overtrain me, then what i’m doing now certainly won’t especially since i’m in a caloric surplus.
I’m not looking for a magic bullet, although everyone seems to think thats why I use partials… I’m looking for something to address my weaknesses better than what i’m using now. i’ve got some big goals in mind that I know will take alot of hard work and heavy lifting. I’m planning to break some junior world records for squat bench and deadlift. i’ve got about 70-100 lbs on each lift to go. i think its achievable, and by no means easy. I’ll be working my ass off to get there.
I’ve had over 40 shoulder dislocations and 10 ligament and meniscal tears in my knees. They keep setting me back, but i’m going to continue to bust my ass to achieve my goals. If you or anyone else wants to give me solid advice i’d greatly appreciate it, but dont bust my ass about magic bullet and cns priming.
legacy,
Since when does Thib do 3x12 of ANYTHING? The IBB programs are all 2-3 reps of shit + a few max rep sets here and there. The other guys might be right here, but in agreement with Thib, in that you may be doing too much volume
[quote]legacyfighter wrote:
I posted why I chose the accessory lifts that i chose in order to see if others thought they could be replaced by something more effective for my weaknesses. [/quote]
I don’t think some of your accessory work makes all that much sense. If that’s all you want advice on then the original post didn’t really communicate that clearly but here goes. Your back, core, leg, and grip work seem pretty minimal and you seem to have some machine and isolation work in there that doesn’t really carryover to your big lifts (this is why i asked you what you’re trying to do earlier). If you push hard on your main lifts then I’m quite sure you’ll find enough volume with this setup. More compound work to not only work in the planes and motor functions of the big three but also to strengthen all the stabilizers that go into the lifts.
Suggested Accessory work and possible rearranging of days
Monday
*Bench Lockouts
Bench
Dips or Close grip bench
Weighted Pullup
Dumbbell Row
Tuesday
Squat
Barbell Lunges
Good Mornings
Hanging Leg Raise
Curls/Calves
Thursday
*Overhead lockouts
Standing Military
Close grip bench or Dips
Chin up
Facepulls
Friday
*Deficit Deads
Deadlift
Good Mornings
GHR or 45 degree Back Extension
Weighted Sit up
Curls/Calves
steel: I’ve really considered changing my split up to something similar to this. Low back work would be a little too much due to my job. This is pretty similar to my old split. I do like the fact that there is more compound lifts, but may be too heavy work for me at this time, again due to my job. In a week or two, i’ll start doing a few more compound movements and use less “pump work.” I’ll also throw in some more mid back work.
This is probably close to as much volume load as i’m using now, but its allocated a little better for my primary goals. The reason i havent been using something more like this, is simply due to lack of recovery with a pretty physically demanding job.
thanks for the input, i appreciate it.
[quote]legacyfighter wrote:
You guys really aren’t reading my posts, or i’m not making it clear enough. I dont do this shit to prime my CNS, i could care less about that. All i care about is that it makes me stronger on the days i do it. so why not do it?
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You “couldn’t” care less. If you “could” care less, that would indicate that there is some baseline level of concern, which is not what you intended to convey with your post.
somehow, legacy, based on reading through this thread, you strike me as the type of guy who wouldn’t admit to overtraining even if you were in fact overtraining…so anyone who has given such advice has done so in vain. So i would like to ask something…were you experiencing any PAIN during your regression? Could there have been an injury that you were unaware of?
bABoon: Yes, you are absolutely correct. Thank you for pointing out my grammatical error. I apologize for any inconveniences that I may have caused.
jskrabac: None that i haven’t had for the last four years or so. I’ve always had shoulder pain and knee pain following heavy pressing and squat days. The pain has began to regress since I started doing more isolation work. Which is one of the reasons i do it.
I feel like I probably should have mentioned this before, but one of the reasons that i’ve been doing more isolation work is the fact that it keeps my joints from hurting as much. This i’m sure is due to less compressive forces on the joint.
Injuries and joint soreness are an example of guess what?
I’m an ART certified chiropractor. Years ago I totaled class one, 22 years ago to be exact. Not great, but good. This was before the gear we have now btw. Over the years I’ve learned a lot of stuff. One us when things get hurty, you’ve been pushing it a little bit to long.
This is the long haul. If you take good care of yourself, you’ll be doing this at fifty’s doorstep also.
You’re the kind of person who needs to have a coach.
You need someone to tell you what to do every time you set foot in the gym. This will keep you from thinking about what you’re doing because you are indecisive and your thinking to doing ratio is far too high.
If you don’t have someone local (within an hour’s drive-if you can’t drive an hour to get jacked, then you suck), then hire someone like Mike Tuscherer or Rick Hussey, they both do distance coaching and both really know their shit.
Tom: I agree 100%. Only problem is that all of my injuries are sports related. Dislocations were from wrestling (illegal arm bars), football, mma (dont like to tap), and other types of fighting. Knee injuries were also from all of the above.
Stronghold: I’ve never done a program such as 5/3/1 or westside for less than 4 months. Except for the short duration programs like sheiko. The programs i create myself i end up keeping the same assistance exercises for around 8 weeks. So I really don’t understand why you think i’m indecisive. However, I would love to have a coach. There is something about having a coach that just makes you better. I don’t know if its a mental thing or what. I can’t afford a coach right now, let alone driving an hour for a coach. I’m taking 21 hours this semester and working part time. Its all I can do to afford my apartment rent and food. So i guess by your standards, I suck. Thank you for the names though, again I’d really love to have a coach. And those two seem to be pretty legit.
I noticed you don’t have any single leg work in your program.