Getting Weaker?

Training Powerlifting
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Mrodock: If you read the prior post, he called me out first. I have respectfully disagreed with everyone’s opinion that its overtraining. I’ve continually tried to explain that i’m not overtrained. And for the record, my lifts are coming back up again thankfully. My guess, like i stated before, was that I was simply too tired after working 12 hours, then doing three hours of my internship, and then working out.

Big Bencher: Who ever said that I didnt train and compete in these lifts? I’ve also experimented with what works, and I have a pretty good idea of what does work for me. All i’ve disagreed with is that its overtraining. @165 lbs: Squat: 420, Bench: 315, Dead: 450 After a couple knee surgeries and shoulder surgeries, i’m back up to these numbers and a little more, although it has taken longer than i had hoped.

Crow: http://www.etsu.edu/coe/Faculty_Staff/resume/MICHAEL%20H.%20STONE.pdf and all of his coworkers. Former U.S. Olympic exercise physiologists and many other strength & conditioning coaches/ sports scientists who specialize in making athletes better. We are constantly using force plates, potentiometers, timing gates, bod pods, and hydrostatic weighing in order to monitor athletes progress. We design programs and complete experiments in order to see what the most effective ways of training athletes. Sport science: http://pursuitofperformance.blogspot.com/2010/02/mike-stone-slide-show-on-sport-science.html

Huscarl: Drugs= no, Booze= no, stress= maybe, low T= probably not, Vit def= possible but doubt it, Sleep Def: some times
i havent stayed up wanking to night elf paladins lately, so i dont think thats the problem. :wink: Thanks for throwing out some other possibilities, because thats what i’ve really been looking for.

Chaz: If i work out without partials first, i’ll hit around 265 for a triple. If i use partials i’ll get between 275 and 285 for a triple.

bABoon: the science shows that the CNS fatigue is caused by the products of severe muscular fatigue due to overtraining. This in turn causes hyperthyroidism and other thryoid and glandular problems that lead to the CNS fatigue. I dont have severe muscular fatigue and i’m not losing weight, so there would be no reason to suspect CNS fatigue. The possibility of form breakdown is definitely an option. I have noticed that my form lately hasn’t been quite as good as it was a couple months ago. Before good form was natural to me, now i’m having to really focus on sitting back during squat, and keeping my hips under me more during deadlift.

To everyone: i have been able to get a little more sleep and i havent been working in as much heat this week, and my Big Three have all started to come up again. As i suggested before that it could be general fatigue. I’m still wondering if any others have any ideas what could have been the cause.

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[quote]legacyfighter wrote:
To everyone: i have been able to get a little more sleep and i havent been working in as much heat this week, and my Big Three have all started to come up again. As i suggested before that it could be general fatigue. I’m still wondering if any others have any ideas what could have been the cause.[/quote]

Well if you changed your routine from the OP then that could be it. It could also be fatigue. I do drywall and my lifts go up and down depending on the work I’m doing. If I’m putting ceilings up I’ll be strong, if I’m hanging 12’ 5/8s all day then I’ll be a little flat.

Also at different times of the year I’ll have a month or two where I just get weaker for some reason. I think it’s hormone related. I go back and forth a lot

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Workouts have stayed the same for the most part. I actually added in some more back workork this week. My best guess so far is just the heat. Its just weird to me that it wasn’t bothering me months ago…

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EAT MORE.

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What do you deadlift? Here is my last workout. I did seven sets after a few minutes warmup . Since I set a pr I bagged the end of it, not doing abs and grip stuff.

I pulled against bands. Doubled minis to be specific. They add 220-230 at the top.

Bar x 3, 135 x 3,185,225,275,325,400 x 1, the last being a pr. The video is in the race to six hundred thread, which I should hit next week at 200 lbs and at 47 years old.

You’re doing to much which is leading yo overtraining .

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You sound like my kid. Gee dad, could not sleeping more than an hour last might cause me to miss that pr deadlift attempt.

Me, ah, yeah dumbass. Seriously, you need to adjust volume up and down when outside factors change. The map isn’t the territory .

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I’m still getting in 6 hours of sleep a night, but i’m accustomed to 8. As far as eating more, i’m already consuming 4500 cals a day. sometimes a bit more, sometimes a bit less, but I average around 4500.

Tom: Thats some damn nice lifting.

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[quote]legacyfighter wrote:
I’m still getting in 6 hours of sleep a night, but i’m accustomed to 8. As far as eating more, i’m already consuming 4500 cals a day. sometimes a bit more, sometimes a bit less, but I average around 4500.

Tom: Thats some damn nice lifting.[/quote]

Thank you. Twp hours less sleep is huge. Your calories are fine, but rest is necessary.

I run my own business with the ups and downs that go with it, I’m married. I have kids. My wife has been battling with my stepdaughter, her kid, all summer. This can add to stress.

So when I’m stressed I do less. I try to get the main stuff done, but cut out some assistance work. Key word meaning to assist.
I’ve had some left quad issues, so squatting is infrequent now.

Why? I can’t go in a meet because I have a torn labrum. Straight bar squats aren’t happening. But on a dare I’ll put on 4 plus plates a side and sink it below parallel raw.

Benching is two board at the lowest. this keeps me from aggravating my labrum, but keeps up my strength. Point?

Get stronger were I can and maybe I’ll do a meet with some token lifts and hit top 100 in the country at 198 , and top 20 for masters in the deadlift. Screwing with deadlift suits are so much more pleasant than other gear.

It’s putting on a singlet basically that’s tight at the bottom. But what I’m doing is adapting and getting stronger with my own circumstances. again, the map isn’t the territory. I didn’t make that up btw.

It’s a quote from a Nobel Prize winner, Dr. Gregory Bateson.

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[quote]legacyfighter wrote:
For the last few weeks my squat, bench, and deadlift have all been going down. I have no idea why they are dropping though. All my accessory lifts seem to be going up. For bench i’m hammering my chest and triceps. I’ve been training my squat and deadlift more consistently than ever, yet they are still going down.

I don’t have any symptoms of overtraining, other than those lifts going down. My weight is staying the same, food quality and quantity is good. Here is what my current training program looks like.

Monday:
Bench Lockouts: 3x3 (work up to max force set)
Bench: 6x3 (work up to max force set)
DB Bench: 3x10 ramping
Flies: 2x10
HS Incline: 2x Max reps

Tuesday:
Rack Pulls: 3x3 ( work up to max force set)
Deadlift: 6x3 (work up to max force set)
Chin ups: 3-5x10 or 6x3 weighted
Machine Rows: 4x10-12
Curls: 3x8

Thursday:
Top Half Military press from pins: 3x3 (max force)
Strict Military: 3 rep max
Close Grip seated military in smith machine: 3-5x10
Cable tricep Ext: 3x12
Lateral Raises:3x15
Rear Delt Raises: 3x10

Friday:
Squat: 6x3 (max force set)
Olympic Squat: 3x10
Low Pulls: 5x5 Ramping
Leg Curl: 3x8
Leg Ext: 3x12-15

For reference: I was benching 300x3 and 265x8… I only managed to get 265x3 today, I may have been able to get 275x3 for an all out max. I hit 335x10 on squats 3-4 weeks ago, and now i’m at 335x5. Deadlift went from 345x12 down to 375x3.

However, my rack pull is up, olympic squat is getting easier, top half military is way up. close grip military has gone way up and DB bench is up. Anyone have any ideas whats going on with me?

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well if your accessory lifts are going up and your big lifts are going down the first thing I would do is change your accessory lifts

I dont know the program really well and not trying to knock Thib, but he’s a body comp guy. If your trying to get stronger look into programs designed for strength atheletes

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Again, my lifts have started coming back up now. I was having trouble trying to figure out how my chest, shoulders, and tris were all getting stronger, yet my bench was going down… same for my other lifts.

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Damn u guys talk alot…shut up and lift

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Sounds to me like OP is majoring in the minors. Worrying about CNS activation, when basic things, such as volume, are off. KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid)

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If your assistance lifts are going up but your main lifts aren’t, then your program sucks.

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[quote]legacyfighter wrote:
…http://www.etsu.edu/coe/Faculty_Staff/resume/MICHAEL%20H.%20STONE.pdf…[/quote]

That guy put “health: excellent” in his resume.

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[quote]hurg53 wrote:
Damn u guys talk alot…shut up and lift [/quote]

Fantastic advice.

This thread is like watching two retards try to hump a door knob.

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[quote]StormTheBeach wrote:

[quote]hurg53 wrote:
Damn u guys talk alot…shut up and lift [/quote]

Fantastic advice.

This thread is like watching two retards try to hump a door knob.[/quote]

http://www.explosm.net/comics/2147/

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“Hey guys, can anyone tell me what’s wrong with my program?”
“Here is what’s wrong with your program.”
“No, that’s not it.”
“Yes it is.”
“No, it’s not. I’m pretty sure I know more than anyone else here.”

Why even bother to ask?

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H4M: I wasnt worrying about CNS activation. Everyone was telling me that I was overtraining my CNS. I just use the partials because they help my main lift on the given day. Again, I really don’t think my volume is too high, because I’m not overtrained, and my lifts have started to come back up.

Stronghold: I only said that I wasn’t overtrained and that partials help me when i lift. All other advice was more than welcome. Only I would know if I was overtrained, but others haven’t been able to grasp that. Obviously I was right about that, because my lifts have began to progress again, while actually slightly increasing the volume. I also never said that i knew more than everyone. But i do have a good concept of how the nervous system acts and reacts.

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Wise man say…

ADVICE…Wise man don’t need it, The Fool won’t heed it…

Take the good with the bad…you asked. NO point in arguing. If your lifts are coming back, great, then move on. It’s cool. Ultimately only you know what works for you. It’s YOUR job to figure it out.
The good thing about your challenging of the advice is that there is 3 pages of mostly good stuff vs. had you accepted the first guys advice it would have been lame. NO offense to that first responder.

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Legacy Fighter u seem like the dumbest son of a bitch Tmuscle has EVER Seen. Start bein cool like those guys on that show Sons of Anarchy. Get yourself a Leather Jacket and do good deeds for porn stars and if people ask why say “Hey Pornstars are people too! And Kids Do YOur Homework, And Dont Do Drugs, And Eat Your Vegetables!” ONce you do all that, You’ll be like Hulk Hogan. Plus you’ll have the town sheriff on your side, Sons Of Anarchy Style. And Dont Forget To Buy a Shit Load of Guns and dye your hair blonde and grow it out all Smooth.