[quote]Morph wrote:
I’ve been around this place since day 1 and never before have I wanted to so badly give Prof X a new client by kicking their fucking teeth in.
Dude, your SCREENNAME is “futureRD”. That IMPLIES that you are en route to being a REGISTERED DIETITIAN, i.e., you have some level of medical training/edu-ma-cacion.
Perhaps all of this can be alleviated if you changed your screenname to something like “futureLOOKING_FUCKING_BLEAK”.
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Fuck your avatar is awesome. I just spent 5 minutes trying to read your 3 line post.
[quote]Morph wrote:
I’ve been around this place since day 1 and never before have I wanted to so badly give Prof X a new client by kicking their fucking teeth in.
Dude, your SCREENNAME is “futureRD”. That IMPLIES that you are en route to being a REGISTERED DIETITIAN, i.e., you have some level of medical training/edu-ma-cacion.
Perhaps all of this can be alleviated if you changed your screenname to something like “futureLOOKING_FUCKING_BLEAK”.
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Fuck your avatar is awesome. I just spent 5 minutes trying to read your 3 line post. [/quote]
[quote]AccipiterQ wrote:
A friend actually brought up a great point; That amount of protein might not be excessive, but what’s it taking the place of? Fruits, veggies, etc. I’m not eating nearly enough of them on this cut. I was thinking I could cut my protein intake slightly, and add in more fruits [/quote]
The general consensus seems to be that green fibrous veggies are fine for cutting and can be added without having to count calories from them. However excessive fruit intake may not be helpful to your fatloss aims…although the odd apple etc here and there should be fine IMO as realistically what little sugar it contains will be difficult to digest as it’s trapped in cellulose. Certainly staying away from the more sugary fruits and veggies is advisable to get the best weight loss. Worth thinking about perhaps…
[quote]Morph wrote:
I’ve been around this place since day 1 and never before have I wanted to so badly give Prof X a new client by kicking their fucking teeth in.
Dude, your SCREENNAME is “futureRD”. That IMPLIES that you are en route to being a REGISTERED DIETITIAN, i.e., you have some level of medical training/edu-ma-cacion.
Perhaps all of this can be alleviated if you changed your screenname to something like “futureLOOKING_FUCKING_BLEAK”.
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Who is that in your avatar? I keep seeing her pop up.
Protein doesnt store as fat, the body is unable to store amino acids, so it’s get secreted. And if your not using it, its hard on the liver. Atleast thats what I’ve learnt from my Toxicology background
[quote]SSC wrote:
No no no, you have it all wrong.
All the extra protein (over 20g in a sitting) converts to fat in the body.[/quote]
“…his protein consumption has been between 500g and 1000g a day” in reference to Kai Greene 8 weeks out from Olympia… not saying that everyone should start eating that much out of the starting gate but…ya i dont think you’re taking in too much protein.
[quote]xoxonikkixoxo wrote:
Protein doesnt store as fat, the body is unable to store amino acids, so it’s get secreted. And if your not using it, its hard on the liver. Atleast thats what I’ve learnt from my Toxicology background
[quote]SSC wrote:
No no no, you have it all wrong.
All the extra protein (over 20g in a sitting) converts to fat in the body.[/quote]
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First of all SSC’s post was facetious.
Second of all. THE FUCKING LIVER??? Stop spreading misinformation. I dont care what you’ve ‘learnt’. Read the damned thread before posting in it.
[quote]xoxonikkixoxo wrote:
Protein doesnt store as fat, the body is unable to store amino acids, so it’s get secreted. And if your not using it, its hard on the liver. Atleast thats what I’ve learnt from my Toxicology background
[quote]SSC wrote:
No no no, you have it all wrong.
All the extra protein (over 20g in a sitting) converts to fat in the body.[/quote]
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First of all SSC’s post was facetious.
Second of all. THE FUCKING LIVER??? Stop spreading misinformation. I dont care what you’ve ‘learnt’. Read the damned thread before posting in it. [/quote]
Presumably he is referring to the Ornithine/Urea cycle which does occur in the liver. I have no idea as to the maximum capacity for this, but presumably it is higher than whatever the excess remains from a 300g intake!
Presumably systemic toxicity would be a problem before liver damage if there was excess ammonia floating round?
[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
“…his protein consumption has been between 500g and 1000g a day” in reference to Kai Greene 8 weeks out from Olympia… not saying that everyone should start eating that much out of the starting gate but…ya i dont think you’re taking in too much protein.[/quote]
I think there’s a few variables your not taking into account here, namely lean body mass and the amount of “damage” done to muscle fibers per workout requiring protein for repair. Personally, my 5’10" 200 lb. frame would waste the majority of Greene’s protein intake because there just isn’t enough muscle there to take it all in.
[quote]xoxonikkixoxo wrote:
Protein doesnt store as fat, the body is unable to store amino acids, so it’s get secreted. And if your not using it, its hard on the liver. Atleast thats what I’ve learnt from my Toxicology background
[quote]SSC wrote:
No no no, you have it all wrong.
All the extra protein (over 20g in a sitting) converts to fat in the body.[/quote]
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First of all SSC’s post was facetious.
Second of all. THE FUCKING LIVER??? Stop spreading misinformation. I dont care what you’ve ‘learnt’. Read the damned thread before posting in it. [/quote]
Presumably he is referring to the Ornithine/Urea cycle which does occur in the liver. I have no idea as to the maximum capacity for this, but presumably it is higher than whatever the excess remains from a 300g intake!
Presumably systemic toxicity would be a problem before liver damage if there was excess ammonia floating round?[/quote]
True, but do you think that someone who is apparently unaware that protein contains Carbon, Oxygen, and Hydrogen (maybe Sulfur) aside from just Nitrogen and completely forgot about the kidneys would be thinking about something like that?
Plus I’ve never seen any studies on liver damage from excessive protein intake, only kidney damage from excessive intake on kidneys that were already suffering from necrosis or some other shit.
[quote]xoxonikkixoxo wrote:
Protein doesnt store as fat, the body is unable to store amino acids, so it’s get secreted. And if your not using it, its hard on the liver. Atleast thats what I’ve learnt from my Toxicology background
[quote]SSC wrote:
No no no, you have it all wrong.
All the extra protein (over 20g in a sitting) converts to fat in the body.[/quote]
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First of all SSC’s post was facetious.
Second of all. THE FUCKING LIVER??? Stop spreading misinformation. I dont care what you’ve ‘learnt’. Read the damned thread before posting in it. [/quote]
Presumably he is referring to the Ornithine/Urea cycle which does occur in the liver. I have no idea as to the maximum capacity for this, but presumably it is higher than whatever the excess remains from a 300g intake!
Presumably systemic toxicity would be a problem before liver damage if there was excess ammonia floating round?[/quote]
True, but do you think that someone who is apparently unaware that protein contains Carbon, Oxygen, and Hydrogen (maybe Sulfur) aside from just Nitrogen and completely forgot about the kidneys would be thinking about something like that?
Plus I’ve never seen any studies on liver damage from excessive protein intake, only kidney damage from excessive intake on kidneys that were already suffering from necrosis or some other shit.
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I agree. To be honest, I don’t see how the liver could possibly be adversely affected by high protein intake, I was kind of playing devils advocate/speculating lol. The only research I have come across involving liver damage was due to a disproportionate amount of certain amino acids in the diet in rats, and that may well have been due to sulphur content or something like (it was cysteine I believe so that has a relatively large sulphur content right?)
The point is OP, 300 odd grams is going to do nothing unless you already have a severe disease. I personally doubt that a healthy person could physically ingest enough protein to bring about adverse effects on the kidneys etc unless perhaps you drank gallons of BCAAs daily!
[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
“…his protein consumption has been between 500g and 1000g a day” in reference to Kai Greene 8 weeks out from Olympia… not saying that everyone should start eating that much out of the starting gate but…ya i dont think you’re taking in too much protein.[/quote]
I think there’s a few variables your not taking into account here, namely lean body mass and the amount of “damage” done to muscle fibers per workout requiring protein for repair. Personally, my 5’10" 200 lb. frame would waste the majority of Greene’s protein intake because there just isn’t enough muscle there to take it all in.[/quote]
“Not saying that everyone should start eating that much out of the starting gate…”
but if one is A. “not going a good deal of “damage” to muscle fibers per workout” and B. taking up to a whopping 20g of protein in a sitting, then i dont really see why one would want to join this site…
[quote]xoxonikkixoxo wrote:
Protein doesnt store as fat, the body is unable to store amino acids, so it’s get secreted. And if your not using it, its hard on the liver. Atleast thats what I’ve learnt from my Toxicology background
[quote]SSC wrote:
No no no, you have it all wrong.
All the extra protein (over 20g in a sitting) converts to fat in the body.[/quote]
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First of all SSC’s post was facetious.
Second of all. THE FUCKING LIVER??? Stop spreading misinformation. I dont care what you’ve ‘learnt’. Read the damned thread before posting in it. [/quote]
Liver and Kidneys anyways Im not going to argue with someone who probably never made it past highschool. Theres alot of miss info on this site as well. You body building bone heads shovel supplements down your throat, when you know shit about what it’s doing to your body on the inside, because your arms have become larger then your brain. Science is science, you can’t argue it, especially if you don’t know shit about it. And I read the thread thanks, why would you take in more protein that what your using? What a waste.
So I dont care what you’ve “learnt” reading your little articles
True, but do you think that someone who is apparently unaware that protein contains Carbon, Oxygen, and Hydrogen (maybe Sulfur) aside from just Nitrogen and completely forgot about the kidneys would be thinking about something like that?
Plus I’ve never seen any studies on liver damage from excessive protein intake, only kidney damage from excessive intake on kidneys that were already suffering from necrosis or some other shit.
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I agree. To be honest, I don’t see how the liver could possibly be adversely affected by high protein intake, I was kind of playing devils advocate/speculating lol. The only research I have come across involving liver damage was due to a disproportionate amount of certain amino acids in the diet in rats, and that may well have been due to sulphur content or something like (it was cysteine I believe so that has a relatively large sulphur content right?)
The point is OP, 300 odd grams is going to do nothing unless you already have a severe disease. I personally doubt that a healthy person could physically ingest enough protein to bring about adverse effects on the kidneys etc unless perhaps you drank gallons of BCAAs daily![/quote]
True, Cysteine and Methionine are the only sulfur-containing amino acids.
(Out of the original 20, some amino acid derivitives may also have S, like taurine, which is derived from Cysteine)
[quote]xoxonikkixoxo wrote:
Protein doesnt store as fat, the body is unable to store amino acids, so it’s get secreted. And if your not using it, its hard on the liver. Atleast thats what I’ve learnt from my Toxicology background
[quote]SSC wrote:
No no no, you have it all wrong.
All the extra protein (over 20g in a sitting) converts to fat in the body.[/quote]
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First of all SSC’s post was facetious.
Second of all. THE FUCKING LIVER??? Stop spreading misinformation. I dont care what you’ve ‘learnt’. Read the damned thread before posting in it. [/quote]
Liver and Kidneys anyways Im not going to argue with someone who probably never made it past highschool. Theres alot of miss info on this site as well. You body building bone heads shovel supplements down your throat, when you know shit about what it’s doing to your body on the inside, because your arms have become larger then your brain. Science is science, you can’t argue it, especially if you don’t know shit about it. And I read the thread thanks, why would you take in more protein that what your using? What a waste.
So I dont care what you’ve “learnt” reading your little articles[/quote]
I apologize in advance for feeding the troll guys, I’m apparently doing this in another thread as well. (Edit: God dammit, same troll; methinks it’s just a retarded kid)
Ok then, if ‘Science is Science’. Please link your science so we may compare it with ours. I believe you have heard of Pubmed?
I would normally accept a logical argument and a theory, but it appears you have no logic.
[quote]AccipiterQ wrote:
A friend actually brought up a great point; That amount of protein might not be excessive, but what’s it taking the place of? Fruits, veggies, etc. I’m not eating nearly enough of them on this cut. I was thinking I could cut my protein intake slightly, and add in more fruits [/quote]
The general consensus seems to be that green fibrous veggies are fine for cutting and can be added without having to count calories from them. However excessive fruit intake may not be helpful to your fatloss aims…although the odd apple etc here and there should be fine IMO as realistically what little sugar it contains will be difficult to digest as it’s trapped in cellulose. Certainly staying away from the more sugary fruits and veggies is advisable to get the best weight loss. Worth thinking about perhaps…[/quote]
Yeah it’s those green/fibrous ones that I haven’t been getting…nor blueberries, nor any nuts. I wouldn’t eat a LOT of the other things I’ve been missing, but it’s probably not healthy to be consuming NONE.
Truely the body only needs 0.5-0.8g/bw to stay healthy. And protein if eaten excessively does not turn to fat. It is infact excreted. The macro that converts to fat and is stored is excess carbohydrates. Effectively you are not worried much about the kidneys unless your protein is very excessive. Ultimately the protein or other macros need to be absorbed by the intestines first. And yes proteins are filtered in the kidneys and liver. However if consuming more than 30-40 grams of protein at one sitting, the rest will be excreted via kidneys or BM. So the only way there is any detrimental effects is if you are consuming greater than 75-100 grams of protein a meal. and why would you do that? thats stupid. Keep intake around 40 grams per meal.
[quote]drmzappas wrote:
Truely the body only needs 0.5-0.8g/bw to stay healthy. And protein if eaten excessively does not turn to fat. It is infact excreted. The macro that converts to fat and is stored is excess carbohydrates. Effectively you are not worried much about the kidneys unless your protein is very excessive. Ultimately the protein or other macros need to be absorbed by the intestines first. And yes proteins are filtered in the kidneys and liver. However if consuming more than 30-40 grams of protein at one sitting, the rest will be excreted via kidneys or BM. So the only way there is any detrimental effects is if you are consuming greater than 75-100 grams of protein a meal. and why would you do that? thats stupid. Keep intake around 40 grams per meal. [/quote]
I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt that you read that in a published medical study and are not just parroting some info you received from a “fitness guru”. But you have obviously overlooked that fact that studies are done on untrained individuals. If you honestly believe that nutritional guidelines are the same for people who sit on the couch eating potato chips and pepsi and for bodybuilders/powerlifters looking to add a few dozen pounds of muscle weight to their bodies, you are CRAZY.
[quote]drmzappas wrote:
Truely the body only needs 0.5-0.8g/bw to stay healthy. And protein if eaten excessively does not turn to fat. It is infact excreted. The macro that converts to fat and is stored is excess carbohydrates. Effectively you are not worried much about the kidneys unless your protein is very excessive. Ultimately the protein or other macros need to be absorbed by the intestines first. And yes proteins are filtered in the kidneys and liver. However if consuming more than 30-40 grams of protein at one sitting, the rest will be excreted via kidneys or BM. So the only way there is any detrimental effects is if you are consuming greater than 75-100 grams of protein a meal. and why would you do that? thats stupid. Keep intake around 40 grams per meal. [/quote]
I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt that you read that in a published medical study and are not just parroting some info you received from a “fitness guru”. But you have obviously overlooked that fact that studies are done on untrained individuals. If you honestly believe that nutritional guidelines are the same for people who sit on the couch eating potato chips and pepsi and for bodybuilders/powerlifters looking to add a few dozen pounds of muscle weight to their bodies, you are CRAZY. [/quote]
What he said.^^^
To think that the body of a 130 untrained bitch can utilize the same amount of protein as a 250 lb hardcore training bodybuilder is a fucking joke.