Getting Too Much Protein?

Nutrition
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[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]futureRD wrote:

[quote]-twiggy- wrote:
There’s no penalty for consuming alot of protein[/quote]
how do you figure?? you dont think that forcing the kidneys/ liver to process and excrete all that has no consequence?[/quote]

Dude now you’re just being an ignoramous asswipe, there have been studies confirming the kidneys (wtf did you bring up liver for?) can safely process 700g protein a day, or even more. How’s that 1-1.7 g protein per lb bw doing for ya buddy? I’d ask for pictures, but you’ll have some BS excuse about not having a camera or some shit, so what’s the point?

If he’s maintaining strength while losing fat, OBVIOUSLY it’s fucking working, so OBVIOUSLY you’re fucking wrong. Besides, results>studies any day. Studies can never completely represent a comprehensive picture of real life situations, they only serve as guidelines, and things to consider/expiriment with.

They shouldn’t determine the main philosophy of how you do shit when it comes to training. Real life experience should dictate that. [/quote]
could you cite that study for me? i’d like to take a look at that. whats with all the hostility?? i’m here to learn just like the rest of you. i gave an opinion, i didnt attack anyone, whats the harm? i guess bodybuilders dont like a different point of view.

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[quote]futureRD wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]futureRD wrote:

[quote]-twiggy- wrote:
There’s no penalty for consuming alot of protein[/quote]
how do you figure?? you dont think that forcing the kidneys/ liver to process and excrete all that has no consequence?[/quote]

Dude now you’re just being an ignoramous asswipe, there have been studies confirming the kidneys (wtf did you bring up liver for?) can safely process 700g protein a day, or even more. How’s that 1-1.7 g protein per lb bw doing for ya buddy? I’d ask for pictures, but you’ll have some BS excuse about not having a camera or some shit, so what’s the point?

If he’s maintaining strength while losing fat, OBVIOUSLY it’s fucking working, so OBVIOUSLY you’re fucking wrong. Besides, results>studies any day. Studies can never completely represent a comprehensive picture of real life situations, they only serve as guidelines, and things to consider/expiriment with.

They shouldn’t determine the main philosophy of how you do shit when it comes to training. Real life experience should dictate that. [/quote]
could you cite that study for me? i’d like to take a look at that. whats with all the hostility?? i’m here to learn just like the rest of you. i gave an opinion, i didnt attack anyone, whats the harm? i guess bodybuilders dont like a different point of view.[/quote]

You’re right. We don’t like a different point of view…that has been beaten to death over the last 20 years which makes most of us wonder where the hell YOU have been that you are just now discovering how off base you are.

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[quote]futureRD wrote:

[quote]Sharp4850 wrote:

[quote]futureRD wrote:

[quote]-twiggy- wrote:
There’s no penalty for consuming alot of protein[/quote]
how do you figure?? you dont think that forcing the kidneys/ liver to process and excrete all that has no consequence?[/quote]
Unless you have a pre-existing kidney or liver condition, why would you expect it to? Do you accept everything they tell you in your nutrition classes blindly?[/quote]
i wasnt stating that i thought that there were consequences to the liver/kidneys. read the post, where did i say that that’s what i believe? i was asking how they came to that conclusion. from the science i’ve seen, we cant say there is but, we also cant say there isnt consequences of excessively high protein intake. we can’t conclusively say that there are no consequeces.

i’m surprised, i thought people here would be more open to science… and for the record, i dont accept what they say blindly. the way the prof’s teach/lecture makes it pretty much impossible to accept what they say without thinking about it or researching the topic.[/quote]
So let me get this straight. You don’t actually believe that “excessive” protein intake will cause damage to the kidneys, but decided to come in here and say “you dont think that forcing the kidneys/ liver to process and excrete all that has no consequence?” Because it sure seems like you were implying that it would.

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[quote]futureRD wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]futureRD wrote:

[quote]-twiggy- wrote:
There’s no penalty for consuming alot of protein[/quote]
how do you figure?? you dont think that forcing the kidneys/ liver to process and excrete all that has no consequence?[/quote]

Dude now you’re just being an ignoramous asswipe, there have been studies confirming the kidneys (wtf did you bring up liver for?) can safely process 700g protein a day, or even more. How’s that 1-1.7 g protein per lb bw doing for ya buddy? I’d ask for pictures, but you’ll have some BS excuse about not having a camera or some shit, so what’s the point?

If he’s maintaining strength while losing fat, OBVIOUSLY it’s fucking working, so OBVIOUSLY you’re fucking wrong. Besides, results>studies any day. Studies can never completely represent a comprehensive picture of real life situations, they only serve as guidelines, and things to consider/expiriment with.

They shouldn’t determine the main philosophy of how you do shit when it comes to training. Real life experience should dictate that. [/quote]
could you cite that study for me? i’d like to take a look at that. whats with all the hostility?? i’m here to learn just like the rest of you. i gave an opinion, i didnt attack anyone, whats the harm? i guess bodybuilders dont like a different point of view.[/quote]

No one likes a ‘know it all’. Especially when the person doesn’t even come close to knowing it all. It has nothing to do with what bodybuilders do or dont like.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]futureRD wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]futureRD wrote:

[quote]AccipiterQ wrote:

[quote]futureRD wrote:
whats the daily intake of your other macros?? and at a protein intake that high, i could pretty much guarantee you’re not using it all.[/quote]

On days I don’t work out, protein calories account for 54% of my caloric intake, with fat being 32, and carbs 14. On days I do workout protein is 39% with carbs being 39% and fat being 22. [/quote]
there’s no way you’ll be using all that protein. the majority of it is probably being excreted. you’re just producing expensive urine, really. accepted guidelines for power/strength athletes are 1-1.7g/kg bodyweight/day. the amount your getting far exceeds that, and that guideline is for ATHLETES.

i dont care what anyone says, bodybuilders dont work nearly as hard as an ameteur/semi-pro/pro athlete. bodybuilders train 4 or 5 times a week, once a day. an athlete goes to practice for 2-3 hours, then goes and hits the gym 4-5 days a week.

bottom line: you dont require all that protein and, no, you arent using it all. i doubt its even physiologically possible to use it all.[/quote]

The last person I would trust with information about how a bodybuilder should eat is a nutritionist…and that’s coming from a DDS who trains very seriously…who actually did take nutrition classes in school…from obese nutritionists with PhD’s who ranted that no one should take in more than 10% total daily protein.

Notice how he ignores that most athletes aren’t trying to gain as much muscle as is humanly possible so any studies done on performance while ignoring that the goal of bodybuilding is to gain as much muscle as possible…are less than instructive to that population.[/quote]

  1. what is a dds?

  2. notice how the goal of a bodybuilder is not the subject of the topic. and the goal of a bodybuilder is simply to gain as much muscle as possible? health and longevity is absolutely not included in these goals? nice.

  3. i’ve spoken with a lot of people with PhD’s and none of them rant about anything. if you ask them something, they give their professional opinion or refer you to someone who knows more about the topic… i think your statement is a tad bit exaggerated.

  4. i wouldnt trust i nutritionist either but, i would trust a dietitian.[/quote]

A DDS is a Doctor of Dental Surgery. It means I have much more medical experience than you do.

The subject of this topic is maintaining muscle and strength while on a diet, very specific goals in bodybuilding. Most studies done on athletes are NOT centered around what allows the most muscle growth to occur. They are based on athletic performance.[/quote]
congrats on your accomplishments. and when did i claim to have ANY medical experience?? as a doctor, i’d expect that you would be able to read what is written without bias or judgement.

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[quote]Sharp4850 wrote:

[quote]futureRD wrote:

[quote]Sharp4850 wrote:

[quote]futureRD wrote:

[quote]-twiggy- wrote:
There’s no penalty for consuming alot of protein[/quote]
how do you figure?? you dont think that forcing the kidneys/ liver to process and excrete all that has no consequence?[/quote]
Unless you have a pre-existing kidney or liver condition, why would you expect it to? Do you accept everything they tell you in your nutrition classes blindly?[/quote]
i wasnt stating that i thought that there were consequences to the liver/kidneys. read the post, where did i say that that’s what i believe? i was asking how they came to that conclusion. from the science i’ve seen, we cant say there is but, we also cant say there isnt consequences of excessively high protein intake. we can’t conclusively say that there are no consequeces.

i’m surprised, i thought people here would be more open to science… and for the record, i dont accept what they say blindly. the way the prof’s teach/lecture makes it pretty much impossible to accept what they say without thinking about it or researching the topic.[/quote]
So let me get this straight. You don’t actually believe that “excessive” protein intake will cause damage to the kidneys, but decided to come in here and say “you dont think that forcing the kidneys/ liver to process and excrete all that has no consequence?” Because it sure seems like you were implying that it would.[/quote]
the fact is, i dont know. i dont know enough about it yet.

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[quote]futureRD wrote:

congrats on your accomplishments. and when did i claim to have ANY medical experience?? as a doctor, i’d expect that you would be able to read what is written without bias or judgement.[/quote]

What? That is not the intent, job, or goal of any doctor on the planet. Every single doctor alive and practicing HAS to make daily judgments, often very fast based on limited information. That means a good doctor is a lot like a good detective…and you weren’t exactly some real mystery to figure out.

But hey, I also understand everyone starts somewhere so I am done digging into you…unless you post something really stupid right after this.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]futureRD wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]futureRD wrote:

[quote]-twiggy- wrote:
There’s no penalty for consuming alot of protein[/quote]
how do you figure?? you dont think that forcing the kidneys/ liver to process and excrete all that has no consequence?[/quote]

Dude now you’re just being an ignoramous asswipe, there have been studies confirming the kidneys (wtf did you bring up liver for?) can safely process 700g protein a day, or even more. How’s that 1-1.7 g protein per lb bw doing for ya buddy? I’d ask for pictures, but you’ll have some BS excuse about not having a camera or some shit, so what’s the point?

If he’s maintaining strength while losing fat, OBVIOUSLY it’s fucking working, so OBVIOUSLY you’re fucking wrong. Besides, results>studies any day. Studies can never completely represent a comprehensive picture of real life situations, they only serve as guidelines, and things to consider/expiriment with. They shouldn’t determine the main philosophy of how you do shit when it comes to training. Real life experience should dictate that. [/quote]
could you cite that study for me? i’d like to take a look at that. whats with all the hostility?? i’m here to learn just like the rest of you. i gave an opinion, i didnt attack anyone, whats the harm? i guess bodybuilders dont like a different point of view.[/quote]

No one likes a ‘know it all’. Especially when the person doesn’t even come close to knowing it all. It has nothing to do with what bodybuilders do or dont like. [/quote]
where have i acted like a “know it all?” i havent tried to disprove anything anyone has said. i openly admit when i dont know something.

i take a science-based approach to nutrition, the foundation of this is to always be aware of how information is changing and new things are being discovered all the time.

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[quote]futureRD wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]futureRD wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]futureRD wrote:

[quote]-twiggy- wrote:
There’s no penalty for consuming alot of protein[/quote]
how do you figure?? you dont think that forcing the kidneys/ liver to process and excrete all that has no consequence?[/quote]

Dude now you’re just being an ignoramous asswipe, there have been studies confirming the kidneys (wtf did you bring up liver for?) can safely process 700g protein a day, or even more. How’s that 1-1.7 g protein per lb bw doing for ya buddy? I’d ask for pictures, but you’ll have some BS excuse about not having a camera or some shit, so what’s the point?

If he’s maintaining strength while losing fat, OBVIOUSLY it’s fucking working, so OBVIOUSLY you’re fucking wrong. Besides, results>studies any day. Studies can never completely represent a comprehensive picture of real life situations, they only serve as guidelines, and things to consider/expiriment with.

They shouldn’t determine the main philosophy of how you do shit when it comes to training. Real life experience should dictate that. [/quote]
could you cite that study for me? i’d like to take a look at that. whats with all the hostility?? i’m here to learn just like the rest of you. i gave an opinion, i didnt attack anyone, whats the harm? i guess bodybuilders dont like a different point of view.[/quote]

No one likes a ‘know it all’. Especially when the person doesn’t even come close to knowing it all. It has nothing to do with what bodybuilders do or dont like. [/quote]
where have i acted like a “know it all?” i havent tried to disprove anything anyone has said. i openly admit when i dont know something. i take a science-based approach to nutrition, the foundation of this is to always be aware of how information is changing and new things are being discovered all the time.[/quote]

You only admitted to not knowing everything when 3 dozen people called you out on some bullshit. You didnt preface your statements with “I could be wrong” or “I heard that”. You attempted to state facts. And you got called out. Now you switched gears. It happens to a lot of new guys. Get over it youre not that special.

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Just for shits and giggles…

Guyton M.D., Arthur C. Human Physiology and Mechanisms of Disease; 1992.

Can’t say I’ve personally read the study, it was used as a reference in an article I read a while back.

Like the other poster said, we’re open minded people. Just not open minded to a horse beaten to death on a regular basis for years on end. Especially when every day we prove that BS wrong through our training and diets.

Last, but definitely not least, pics or you didn’t happen. Yes, that’s a call out. So go ahead and make a shitty excuse for why you can’t get pics up, since that’s always how these things end.

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i wasn’t attempting to state facts, i was stating an opinon. and i never switched gears, im just suprised with the backlash im getting for a simple post on a forum lol. and you dont need to worry, i know im nothin special.

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[quote]hungry4more wrote:
Just for shits and giggles…

Guyton M.D., Arthur C. Human Physiology and Mechanisms of Disease; 1992.

Can’t say I’ve personally read the study, it was used as a reference in an article I read a while back.

Like the other poster said, we’re open minded people. Just not open minded to a horse beaten to death on a regular basis for years on end. Especially when every day we prove that BS wrong through our training and diets.

Last, but definitely not least, pics or you didn’t happen. Yes, that’s a call out. So go ahead and make a shitty excuse for why you can’t get pics up, since that’s always how these things end. [/quote]
thanks for the cite, im goin to look at that study.

here’s a pic of me from the summer. i’ll be the first to tell you im nothin special. 6’2, natty, might get into doing more strongman stuff this summer. did a little bit last summer and it did wonders for my conditioning.

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[quote]futureRD wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:
Just for shits and giggles…

Guyton M.D., Arthur C. Human Physiology and Mechanisms of Disease; 1992.

Can’t say I’ve personally read the study, it was used as a reference in an article I read a while back.

Like the other poster said, we’re open minded people. Just not open minded to a horse beaten to death on a regular basis for years on end. Especially when every day we prove that BS wrong through our training and diets.

Last, but definitely not least, pics or you didn’t happen. Yes, that’s a call out. So go ahead and make a shitty excuse for why you can’t get pics up, since that’s always how these things end. [/quote]
thanks for the cite, im goin to look at that study.

here’s a pic of me from the summer. i’ll be the first to tell you im nothin special. 6’2, natty, might get into doing more strongman stuff this summer. did a little bit last summer and it did wonders for my conditioning.

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Thank you, you just took a giant bound towards redeeming yourself there. I openly admit you look to be in better condition than the average poster here. Now my advice to you, is don’t get too caught up in studies when it comes to how BBers/PLers, strongmen/whatever should eat, they are almost ALWAYS too conservative.

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[quote]futureRD wrote:
the fact is, i dont know. i dont know enough about it yet. [/quote]

This alone should have kept you from spouting your opinion as fact.

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[quote]futureRD wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:
Just for shits and giggles…

Guyton M.D., Arthur C. Human Physiology and Mechanisms of Disease; 1992.

Can’t say I’ve personally read the study, it was used as a reference in an article I read a while back.

Like the other poster said, we’re open minded people. Just not open minded to a horse beaten to death on a regular basis for years on end. Especially when every day we prove that BS wrong through our training and diets.

Last, but definitely not least, pics or you didn’t happen. Yes, that’s a call out. So go ahead and make a shitty excuse for why you can’t get pics up, since that’s always how these things end. [/quote]
thanks for the cite, im goin to look at that study.

here’s a pic of me from the summer. i’ll be the first to tell you im nothin special. 6’2, natty, might get into doing more strongman stuff this summer. did a little bit last summer and it did wonders for my conditioning.

[/quote]

You’ve caught a lot of flack lol…but you redeemed yourself now in my eyes. This is the web and we get a lot of bullshit/trolls up in here. So mofos get ruthless :). T.I.T

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[quote]futureRD wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:
Just for shits and giggles…

Guyton M.D., Arthur C. Human Physiology and Mechanisms of Disease; 1992.

Can’t say I’ve personally read the study, it was used as a reference in an article I read a while back.

Like the other poster said, we’re open minded people. Just not open minded to a horse beaten to death on a regular basis for years on end. Especially when every day we prove that BS wrong through our training and diets.

Last, but definitely not least, pics or you didn’t happen. Yes, that’s a call out. So go ahead and make a shitty excuse for why you can’t get pics up, since that’s always how these things end. [/quote]
thanks for the cite, im goin to look at that study.

here’s a pic of me from the summer. i’ll be the first to tell you im nothin special. 6’2, natty, might get into doing more strongman stuff this summer. did a little bit last summer and it did wonders for my conditioning.
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Your right, your physique is nothing special, but that shouldn’t deter you from learning as much as you can from the bigger/stronger/more intelligent members of this community.

Read more than you write, seek advice from those that are bigger than you, and most importantly put in your time.

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My wifes friend is a qualified nutritionist, but has never actually worked in the field…deciding to study accounting straight after her degree. She use to tell my wife that I am eating too much protein, blah blah balh…and yet I simply said, how can you argue the outdated crap you have been taught, with the results I have achieved?

Today(a couple years later)…she asks my wife for advice on how to lose bodyfat, i.e. what to eat/train etc…how fckin funny is that!

GJ

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wow…this turned into a flamefest. A friend actually brought up a great point; That amount of protein might not be excessive, but what’s it taking the place of? Fruits, veggies, etc. I’m not eating nearly enough of them on this cut. I was thinking I could cut my protein intake slightly, and add in more fruits

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I’ve been around this place since day 1 and never before have I wanted to so badly give Prof X a new client by kicking their fucking teeth in.

Dude, your SCREENNAME is “futureRD”. That IMPLIES that you are en route to being a REGISTERED DIETITIAN, i.e., you have some level of medical training/edu-ma-cacion.

Perhaps all of this can be alleviated if you changed your screenname to something like “futureLOOKING_FUCKING_BLEAK”.

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[quote]Morph wrote:

Perhaps all of this can be alleviated if you changed your screenname to something like “futureLOOKING_FUCKING_BLEAK”.

[/quote]

LMFAO!!! That right there is the funniest thing I have read in a long time.