Pump_Daddy, your last post (last three posts actually) reminded me of Mick from Harold Pinter’s The Caretaker.
[quote]shizen wrote:
Der Candy wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:
Progressive overload (more weight or reps every single workout), FOOD, sufficient rest (different individuals will require different amounts of rest), consistency and time.
/end thread.
um its kind of really hard to add weight EVERY workout along with reps. I get the point of going up higher when your stronger but I haven’t met many people who are not beginners adding like 10lbs to there bench,squat or dl every workout. [/quote]
I try to up my weight 5 pound every two to three weeks and have been able to stay in the target reps each time I increase. if you look at it in the long run 5 pounds every two-4 weeks would be an added 60-120 pounds a year. Even 2.5 pound if you have acccess to the 1.25 pound plates is an additional 30-60 pounds per year and shit, people would kill for results like that.
I also think after reading so much shit people get information overload and forget the basic componenets of getting big which also is also the best way to get big.
As sentoguy said, Progressive Overload, FOOD, sufficient rest, consistancy and time will add strength and size to any and everyone.
[quote]Racarnus wrote:
Matt wrote:
Racarnus wrote:
“I’m a helluva lot scarier in the real world. Really. You’d be terrified. Badly. Therefore I’m right.”
I think X was saying something more along the lines of someone who is 150lbs telling a guy who is 250lbs, “what you are doing is wrong” would not happen in real life while it happens everyday on the Intarweb. Not because they are scared, but because that would be ludicrous.
Thank you captain obvious. While you’re at it, you should finish the thought and point out that water is wet.
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Well I could be real obvious and ask why you are posting on a thread about what works to get big, when you have not done that? You are 150lbs and have been lifting in the neighborhood of a year, yet you feel you have some kind of knowledge to pass on?
Kids nowadays don’t believe in paying their dues, and that is too bad.
Now I’m off to partake in a debate on Rocket Science because I watched a movie about it and feel I am now an expert.
[quote] Matt wrote:
Well I could be real obvious and ask why you are posting on a thread about what works to get big, when you have not done that? You are 150lbs and have been lifting in the neighborhood of a year, yet you feel you have some kind of knowledge to pass on?
Kids nowadays don’t believe in paying their dues, and that is too bad.
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I would be real surprised if he responded directly to that.
One thing I have found is how great the leg press is for building leg mass. It has fallen out of favor with internet gurus and “experts,” but going heavy with 10x10 made my legs grow faster than anything I had done since. Including squats.
Someone else mentioned consistency. They’re right. Eat well, lift heavy, rest, repeat. Getting big is simple once you get past the psychological obstacles of losing your abs and looking/feeling a little bloated from time to time.
One thing I have found is how great the leg press is for building leg mass. It has fallen out of favor with internet gurus and “experts,” but going heavy with 10x10 made my legs grow faster than anything I had done since. Including squats.
Someone else mentioned consistency. They’re right. Eat well, lift heavy, rest, repeat. Getting big is simple once you get past the psychological obstacles of losing your abs and looking/feeling a little bloated from time to time.
[quote] Matt wrote:
Racarnus wrote:
Matt wrote:
Racarnus wrote:
“I’m a helluva lot scarier in the real world. Really. You’d be terrified. Badly. Therefore I’m right.”
I think X was saying something more along the lines of someone who is 150lbs telling a guy who is 250lbs, “what you are doing is wrong” would not happen in real life while it happens everyday on the Intarweb. Not because they are scared, but because that would be ludicrous.
Thank you captain obvious. While you’re at it, you should finish the thought and point out that water is wet.
Well I could be real obvious and ask why you are posting on a thread about what works to get big, when you have not done that? You are 150lbs and have been lifting in the neighborhood of a year, yet you feel you have some kind of knowledge to pass on?
Kids nowadays don’t believe in paying their dues, and that is too bad.
Now I’m off to partake in a debate on Rocket Science because I watched a movie about it and feel I am now an expert.
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I posted out of an initial annoyance to comment on what was being “discussed.” I did not attempt to pass along any opinions on what works to get big, Nor have I passed myself off as an expert. I continued posting when I encountered a hot-tempered, easy provoked, belligerent poster. There was no point to anything I wrote except to raise his blood pressure and to take short breaks from work. Admittedly, I take some mild amusement out of stirring things up.
I’m not sure how long I’ve been training. I started early 2007 haphazardly doing bodyweight exercises, and purchased a gym membership in April. My medical records indicate that I was 141 lbs at the start of last year. I weighed myself today, I am 167 lbs. I achieved this despite not following a bodybuilding program at any single time in my training and haphazard dieting. I have focused my efforts toward strength. This month I pulled 485 lbs. I have no new things to pass along, except to give a thumbs up to the strength based programs that have worked for me:
Ub3r_N3wb’s squat program
Eric Cressey’s series on deadlifting
5x5 for bench
Jim Bathurst’s guidelines for one arm chinning
The reason that I didn’t post anything along these lines is because this topic is about getting huge, and hence, such things would be off-topic. As far as paying dues goes, I can think of a few posters I should thank for the information I have gleaned from their contributions, however, I do not owe gratitude to the majority of frequent posters. The threads here are more entertaining time killers than sources of information.
The progress that I have made in less than a year is greater than anyone I have ever seen on this forum. I have passed all end of the year strength predictions I made for myself when I started. I am 19, and I will go on to set records, and most the mediocrities on this site will go nowhere. I would post more about my achievements, however they are so spectacular that most of you wouldn’t believe it, which is fine.
Back on why I entered this discussion:
I have never seen anyone say “what you are doing is wrong” on this site to any large member. Nor have I ever seen someone call Jay Cutler or any large bodybuilder clueless. However, I see many threads dedicated to accusing some mythical group of newbies of saying such things. Where are they?
In this thread, the closest someone came to saying such a thing was onemorerep, and all he said was that what works for Ronnie might not work for you. Specifically, just because Ronnie doesn’t shuffle up his split doesn’t mean you shouldn’t. This is a fair statement, however, he was attacked for it, and he was implicitly accused of calling pro bodybuilders clueless. This is the straw man argument I was referring to, and pointed out, but the poster I was engaged with earlier hasn’t gotten it yet, and probably won’t ever.
That is all.
[quote]Racarnus wrote:
I posted out of an initial annoyance to comment on what was being “discussed.” I did not attempt to pass along any opinions on what works to get big, Nor have I passed myself off as an expert. I continued posting when I encountered a hot-tempered, easy provoked, belligerent poster. There was no point to anything I wrote except to raise his blood pressure and to take short breaks from work. Admittedly, I take some mild amusement out of stirring things up.
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This “stirred things up”? This raised someone’s blood pressure? You sure do give yourself a ton of unwarranted credit.
That is pretty damn pathetic if your idea of a good time is following me around the forum in some lame attempt to aggravate.
Wow.
Instead of possibly opening your own ears to advice or what is being discussed, we get some sub 170lbs jackass attempting to do nothing but cause confusion and irritate people. Good luck with that.
Your life must suck, by the way.
[quote]Racarnus wrote:
That is all.
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I sure hope so.
Yes, it does suck, and the only way I find relief is by seeking negative reactions on the internet. Please try to be more understanding.
[quote]Uber N3wb wrote:
Sxio wrote:
If you always put in a 4/5 effort,
Any other advice you can give me sixo?
Never give it your all?
Always let people down when possible?
Set your watch 15 off so your always late?
Start off every first impression with “fuck you”?
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Well, good on you for getting all that out of one selected line of my response.
if you read the rest you’ll see that I also said something about always doing more reps or more weight.
If you do that consistently, you are getting stronger.
I don’t think every session needs to be a 5/5 and I actually think that it can hinder the process by leading to burn out.
But I’m sure some of you internet tough guys will then take that to mean that I train like a pussy etc etc etc.
Rainjack. Are you having some roid rage or something mate? You are seriously losing it for no apparent reason. All that stress is going to shorten your life span dude.
Why all this rage? I thought this thread was about helping each other?
I dunno about you guys, but I’m only interested in learning more, and helping others with what I think I know.
Yes I’ve had some great laughs out of the rage on this thread, but it’s also a bit sad.
What on earth does typing out a diatribe against someone you’ve never met and don’t know, do for anything? At best, it’s a waste of time.
Clearly the way to get big is to use as many curse words as possible, and to insult strangers at every opportunity.
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Sxio wrote:
What on earth does typing out a diatribe against someone you’ve never met and don’t know, do for anything? At best, it’s a waste of time.[/quote]
Shhhh…I was hoping for a video post.
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Professor X wrote:
This “stirred things up”? This raised someone’s blood pressure? You sure do give yourself a ton of unwarranted credit.
That is pretty damn pathetic if your idea of a good time is following me around the forum in some lame attempt to aggravate. [/quote]
Actually I’m willing to bet it probably raised Rainjack’s blood pressure, or at least gave him a pretty good pump. That seems to be who he was referring to.
[quote]Racarnus wrote:
I am 19, and I will go on to set records, and most the mediocrities on this site will go nowhere. I would post more about my achievements, however they are so spectacular that most of you wouldn’t believe it, which is fine.
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Please do us all a favour and fuck off.
lol recarnus is such a troll he has proven it time and time again, I don’t know why people bother replying to him. Everything he says is bs.
[quote]Sxio wrote:
Rainjack. Are you having some roid rage or something mate? You are seriously losing it for no apparent reason. All that stress is going to shorten your life span dude. [/quote]
Have you offered anything to this thread? All I can see you doing is following me around asking why I am so mean.
Oh yeah - your excuse for sucking was a beautiful addition to the discussion. Only giving 80% is excellent training advice.
Whyt the hell is your problem? DO you have your life in such perfect order that you need to start living mine for me? Wait…let me guess…you have your life 80% under control and you think others should benefit from your 80% rule as well.
How about you mind your own fucking business?
[quote]conwict wrote:
Actually I’m willing to bet it probably raised Rainjack’s blood pressure, or at least gave him a pretty good pump. That seems to be who he was referring to.[/quote]
You would lose that bet. Since when does being honest equate with raising one’s blood pressure?
Holy hell, kids - this isn’t the Barney and Friends hour. I don’t love you, and I could care less whether you love me. People cuss. It happens. I know - I’ve seen people do it.
What a fucked up thread. Man, the internet sure provides a bizarre medium for communiation.
I have sometihng to say to clarify the point made earlier about who to listen to or not. Luckily we are intelligent enough to be able to consider more than the single factor of “is he huge?” (or strong, or rich, or whatever)
If you think about it you’re not just wanting to BE big/strong/rich/whatever but you want to GET big/strong/rich/whatever. If you ask some dude who inherited millions from his parents how to get rich, then you’re not more likely to get useful advice than from someone who isn’t rich at all. Both kind of people might know shit to help you, but you couldn’t predict it.
However, if you talk to someone who actually accumulated wealth by himself, I bet he’d have some good things to say, right?
Its the same for anything. Would I take deadlifting advice from Andy Bolton when he was 16 and pulled 500lbs the first time he did it (or whatever it was)? No. Strong as fuck but not neccessarily any idea how to get someone else there.
What about now? Yes, of course, because he has improved his state, strength in this case, and has tons of experience in getting better at deadlifting.
Another example. Advice on making money. Would you not take it from a banker who has made lots of money for lots of people but himself isn’t all that rich? It is very possible to gain experience in “coaching” other people without being great at what you coach.
The ideal person to take advice from? Someone as close to you (in terms of genetics/background/psychology/resources/etc) who has started where you started and acheived what you want to acheive. There’s only one of you in the world so there’s no such perfect person to ask, so just take advice from everyone ffs - its not like you can’t fit it all in your mind.
I hope you see what I mean.
[quote]rock_ten wrote:
What a fucked up thread. Man, the internet sure provides a bizarre medium for communiation.
I have sometihng to say to clarify the point made earlier about who to listen to or not. Luckily we are intelligent enough to be able to consider more than the single factor of “is he huge?” (or strong, or rich, or whatever)
If you think about it you’re not just wanting to BE big/strong/rich/whatever but you want to GET big/strong/rich/whatever. If you ask some dude who inherited millions from his parents how to get rich, then you’re not more likely to get useful advice than from someone who isn’t rich at all. Both kind of people might know shit to help you, but you couldn’t predict it.
However, if you talk to someone who actually accumulated wealth by himself, I bet he’d have some good things to say, right?
Its the same for anything. Would I take deadlifting advice from Andy Bolton when he was 16 and pulled 500lbs the first time he did it (or whatever it was)? No. Strong as fuck but not neccessarily any idea how to get someone else there.
What about now? Yes, of course, because he has improved his state, strength in this case, and has tons of experience in getting better at deadlifting.
Another example. Advice on making money. Would you not take it from a banker who has made lots of money for lots of people but himself isn’t all that rich? It is very possible to gain experience in “coaching” other people without being great at what you coach.
The ideal person to take advice from? Someone as close to you (in terms of genetics/background/psychology/resources/etc) who has started where you started and acheived what you want to acheive. There’s only one of you in the world so there’s no such perfect person to ask, so just take advice from everyone ffs - its not like you can’t fit it all in your mind.
I hope you see what I mean.[/quote]
I understand your reasoning, but don’t see it really holding up in real life. I still say the quickest way is to find the big guys who are where you want to be, and train with them and listen to them.
Just seems the odds would be very tough to find that one big dude, who also happened to start out with the same body type as you, and then try and talk/lift with him.
[quote] Matt wrote:
I understand your reasoning, but don’t see it really holding up in real life. I still say the quickest way is to find the big guys who are where you want to be, and train with them and listen to them.
Just seems the odds would be very tough to find that one big dude, who also happened to start out with the same body type as you, and then try and talk/lift with him.
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More important than that, I wouldn’t even want to be the type of person who makes this shit quite that complicated. I can only imagine that someone who would make that large of an issue about exactly where someone else started won’t be making much progress themselves. This isn’t a college statistics course. Chances are, that huge guy in the corner wasn’t born that way. For people to walk around assuming even the majority of big guys simply accidentally got huge makes no sense at all.
It really sounds like people try to make this harder simply so they don’t admit that someone with biceps as big as most people’s thighs just might know something about bodybuilding. All we keep hearing is about some imaginary person who doesn’t know anything about how they got that way.