Getting Big: What Works

Training Bodybuilding
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[quote]jp_dubya wrote:
Professor X wrote:
In fact, I’ll go one better. Considering how often one might get challenged on this site, do you honestly think many would argue face to face with someone about many of these issues if that person were much larger than them?

Why the hell wouldn’t they? I am not following…[/quote]

What PX was trying to say is:

“I’m a helluva lot scarier in the real world. Really. You’d be terrified. Badly. Therefore I’m right.”

This debate is stupid. PX likes to create straw man arguments. No one is saying pro bodybuilders are clueless. The guy was just saying that just because Ronnie doesn’t shuffle up his split from time to time doesn’t mean we shouldn’t. That’s it. If changing things up works for you, do it! If doing the same exercises and split causes you to plateau and you continue to not change anything, just because Ronnie doesn’t, you’re an idiot.

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Eat alot of small meals all day, unless u can eat big ones. Never be hungry. Lift with intensity/controled/failure or close it, no matter the weight. Sleep,and shitin all day.=growth

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Here it is in a nutshell:

A Training Philosphy for Solid Mass Gains
by Kelly Baggett

ironaddicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9940

Enjoy!

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[quote]Racarnus wrote:
jp_dubya wrote:
Professor X wrote:
In fact, I’ll go one better. Considering how often one might get challenged on this site, do you honestly think many would argue face to face with someone about many of these issues if that person were much larger than them?

Why the hell wouldn’t they? I am not following…

What PX was trying to say is:

“I’m a helluva lot scarier in the real world. Really. You’d be terrified. Badly. Therefore I’m right.”

This debate is stupid. PX likes to create straw man arguments. No one is saying pro bodybuilders are clueless. The guy was just saying that just because Ronnie doesn’t shuffle up his split from time to time doesn’t mean we shouldn’t. That’s it. If changing things up works for you, do it! If doing the same exercises and split causes you to plateau and you continue to not change anything, just because Ronnie doesn’t, you’re an idiot.

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Where is the straw man? The only one I see is the one you just created.

Re-read the thread, then come back when you have a fucking clue.

I highly doubt anyone should be taking advice of any sort from you - especially seeing as how your reading comprehension is about on par with that of the 3-toed sloth.

Morons.

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I love how when PX gets slammed, all the suckups clammer around to his defense. Read carefully, and you will see that PX and Onemorerep aren’t disagreeing with eachother. PX is attacking a point of view that was not expressed in this thread. If you cannot see that, it is a fault of your own reading comprehension, not mine.

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People, please keep in mind that Professor X does not know what the pectoralis minor is, and he doesn’t know the difference between a stabilizer and a synergist. He has 2-3 talking points that he regurgitates in every thread he posts in, but beyond that has nothing to contribute.

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[quote]Racarnus wrote:
People, please keep in mind that Professor X does not know what the pectoralis minor is, and he doesn’t know the difference between a stabilizer and a synergist.[/quote]

(insert one “suckup” here)

Please, keep in mind that Professor X absolutely dwarfs everyone on this thread(that’s ever showed pictures), you know the one about getting big that you are posting on?

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[quote]Racarnus wrote:
I love how when PX gets slammed, all the suckups clammer around to his defense. Read carefully, and you will see that PX and Onemorerep aren’t disagreeing with eachother. PX is attacking a point of view that was not expressed in this thread. If you cannot see that, it is a fault of your own reading comprehension, not mine.

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I have read, and I am still waiting on you to show me the strawman. You won’t. Why? Because there is not one other than the two you have now created.

Once again, asshole - read the fucking thread.

I love little internet warriors like you that get on here to act all tough, and try to pass yourself off as some sort of expert.

Run along, and practice reading. They do still teach reading in junior high, don’t they?

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I told you to read more carefully, but you refused to do so.

Scott M:
Honestly I don’t see this happening in the real world. […] Ronnie Coleman, same basic split since I saw his first DVD

onemorerep: I would also shy away from using pro bodybuilders as examples because when you bring them in you bring in other factors that affect causality, i.e. their drug use and sheer genetic gifts.

PX: I personally hate this perspective. […] I did not close my ears based on some notion that the biggest bodybuilders are clueless and therefore, you will learn less from them. This idea seems to be held by those who consider themselves “average”.

PX: If you honestly believe that even the majority of the guys walking around who are very large got that way without hard work and extreme effort in the gym and the kitchen, you are kidding yourself.

When PX talks of “this perspective” and “this idea”, he is only arguing with himself. Again, no one has said pro bodybuilders are clueless. No one says they got where they are without hard work.

This will be the last time I do your work for you. PX’s posts drip with straw man arguments. Find a few on your own.

You lose.

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so lifting weights helps? giggle

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It always becomes a problem when I bring up pro bodybuilders… who else am I supposed to say?

Derek in my gym who manhandles 500+ lb dead lifts and has a thick as shit back and neck?

Loopy(a nickname) who has to attach dumbbells to every machine I’ve seen him use and looks like a tank with good overall thickness?

(I don’t know his name) but the guy who has the wrap around headphones who tosses around 365 on the bench and 130s on incline dumbbells with a chest as big as I’ve ever seen on a guy his size?( a pretty lean 220-230)

Me(god this feels ridiculous) who’s added 50-200 lbs to some of my lifts over the last few months-year and had to buy all new clothes and get the tired old “dude what are you on” comments?

That’s silly and we’d never get anywhere in a conversation using examples of people nobody but I know. Or we can look at people that everyone knows, examine what the people who are/were gaining at advanced rates doing to separate themselves from their peers and use some deductive reasoning to piece together some common factors.

I tried to talk about this on another thread but got nowhere so here’s attempt 2(or 12 maybe).

Looking at Ronnie Coleman to the right of your screen, what differences do people see in the approaches that he took versus say Shawn Ray? If someone even mentions sets reps or exercises they are missing the boat by a long shot. One guy gained approximately 15 lbs over his pro career and the other put on approximately 70, figure out who and what they did and maybe we can start to get a clue about what puts big time muscle on people regardless of genetics or drugs.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
conwict wrote:

You’re an idiot…and I mean that in the softest most endearing way possible. While you are comparing and attempting to control variables, I will continue to look to those who have gotten to where I want to get to.

Come on, do you talk to people like that at work? Casually, to people you’ve never met?

And honestly we’re all wasting our time on this thread. Someone takes a civil tone, explains what they mean, and you call them an idiot? They’re not wasting any more time than you are, articulating what they feel brings success in the iron game. And frankly you two don’t really differ much in opinion.

Why would I be holding a conversation this in depth with someone I never met? For the conversation to even get to this level in a face to face meeting would require some deeper knowledge about a person. Are you holding conversations like this with complete strangers on subways? I write on this forum like I would speak in a room of people I might play basketball with. So, yes, I would speak the same way in that situation. This is NOT my job. I don’t get paid to be here. Please don’t write something so ridiculous again.

In fact, I’ll go one better. Considering how often one might get challenged on this site, do you honestly think many would argue face to face with someone about many of these issues if that person were much larger than them?[/quote]

Okay, so what I’m getting is that the more “in depth” your conversation goes, the more you tend to become belligerent? And no, while I’m not holding conversations of this nature on the subway (nor do I ride a subway regularly) I am a pretty even and truthful guy. I don’t have the type of personality that requires much if any restraint in everyday social situations, nor do I tend to spew vitriol in any situation.

Now, this is the internet, granted, but I tend to hold people whom I speak to on the internet to the same standards I expect them to stick to in real life. Your personality, or internet persona, or whatever I’m dealing with isn’t really of concern to me, so I guess you could call this post and the last one a rant.

And while I can definitely see your point about conversation on the internet being different (for a lot of reasons) than a face-to-face debate, I am totally willing to talk shop with anyone. I just don’t tend to “challenge” people out of hand–on here or in person–without good reason. And ya know, you’re right, people tend to be more agreeable in person regardless of their size.

If you’re implying that a larger person’s size makes them intimidating to the point that no one will argue, I’ll disagree. Confidence isn’t always correlated with size. But I take it you’re saying that a muscular person would command more clout in person than on the internet, and vice versa with a smaller person. I agree.

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I think a lot of people worry too much about the why’s. The big guy’s reasoning may not be accurate (arnold’s expanding the ribcage, etc), but WHAT they do works. You can’t argue with results.

One of my training partners was having trouble with his squat, he was very spastic and his knees came in something awful. After watching several sets I suggested he turn his toes out more. He wanted to know my reasoning, and I told him I don’t know why just try it.

His next set was perfect.

Thinking about the why’s is interesting and everything, but I honestly don’t care why as long as what is working.

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[quote]Racarnus wrote:
“I’m a helluva lot scarier in the real world. Really. You’d be terrified. Badly. Therefore I’m right.”
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I think X was saying something more along the lines of someone who is 150lbs telling a guy who is 250lbs, “what you are doing is wrong” would not happen in real life while it happens everyday on the Intarweb. Not because they are scared, but because that would be ludicrous.

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[quote] Matt wrote:
Racarnus wrote:
“I’m a helluva lot scarier in the real world. Really. You’d be terrified. Badly. Therefore I’m right.”

I think X was saying something more along the lines of someone who is 150lbs telling a guy who is 250lbs, “what you are doing is wrong” would not happen in real life while it happens everyday on the Intarweb. Not because they are scared, but because that would be ludicrous. [/quote]

It is beyond sad that this needed to be “interpreted” by someone to be understood. Then again, look at the people arguing.

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[quote]conwict wrote:
Okay, so what I’m getting is that the more “in depth” your conversation goes, the more you tend to become belligerent? And no, while I’m not holding conversations of this nature on the subway (nor do I ride a subway regularly) I am a pretty even and truthful guy. I don’t have the type of personality that requires much if any restraint in everyday social situations, nor do I tend to spew vitriol in any situation.[/quote]

I could honestly not care less about your personality traits. How “even” you are is irrelevant. The person I was replying to didn’t seem to have the huge problem you are with what I wrote which begs the question, what do you think you are going to accomplish? If you haven’t figured out by now that there is an entire world out there that does NOT act just like you, you might want to go outside.

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Now, this is the internet, granted, but I tend to hold people whom I speak to on the internet to the same standards I expect them to stick to in real life. Your personality, or internet persona, or whatever I’m dealing with isn’t really of concern to me, so I guess you could call this post and the last one a rant.[/quote]

Your rant is pretty weak. I hold people to the same standards in real life as well. I am not sure why you think others act so differently. Then again, you are the one who thinks everyone on internet discussion forums (about lifting weights no less) should write like they would write a memo at work so I guess that shows what field you’re playing on.

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Basic: eat heavy, take supplements, train hard, train heavy, train smart and rest.

“Crazy dumb shit” that works:
-Steroids!
-Super-accumulation program
-The workout that killed Jesse Marunde
-Squatting for 8 minutes straight
-Negatives

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
What works? Find some big bodybuilders and either ask them questions or train with them if you can.

The dumbest thing I’ve seen is smaller newbies negatively critiquing someone 60lbs of muscle heavier than them.[/quote]

sorry to hijack, but i just wanted to say that it is great to read through a thread and see Prof X back.

welcome back Prof X!

end hijack.

I cant say i know the best thing out there, if i did id be huge. along the lines of the dumbest shit, ive got to say that Mykayl’s crazy ass “navy routine” that he got from his dad definitely ranks up there. i might not be spelling his name right, but if you go and “search members” and type in “Mykayl” you should be able to track it down. fuck, maybe ill even track it down for you…

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[quote] Matt wrote:
Racarnus wrote:
“I’m a helluva lot scarier in the real world. Really. You’d be terrified. Badly. Therefore I’m right.”

I think X was saying something more along the lines of someone who is 150lbs telling a guy who is 250lbs, “what you are doing is wrong” would not happen in real life while it happens everyday on the Intarweb. Not because they are scared, but because that would be ludicrous. [/quote]

Thank you captain obvious. While you’re at it, you should finish the thought and point out that water is wet.

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http://www.T-Nation.com/tmagnum/readTopic.do?id=1342231

heres a thread that another member started to discuss the program that Mykayl was making crazy claims about.

i just scrolled through the first page, Mykayl was writing a lot in there.

i am probably in there at some point as well. i will say that after i thought the guy was fucking crazy, just literally fucking nuts, his claims started to intrigue me- it was almost as if it was so crazy and stupid, that hell, maybe it would work. so my training partner and i took a week and went for it. it was over thanksgiving or christmas or something, and our days were pretty open, so we did this shit for a week. yes, only a week. after a week, it felt so fucking stupid that we had no interest in doing it again. it didnt feel like a good workout as we were doing it, it was boring like you wouldnt believe, and it just generally sucked.

i suppose after a week, we couldnt accurately report whether or not it worked. however, for the next couple of weeks following our 1 week, we both slowly but gradually lost size. it wasnt like the Charles Poliquin thing where you train to the point of overtraining, where youre “depressed, weak, etc” and you lose a bit of size, it was the kind of loss that really kind of tells you that you did something stupid, and it didnt work.

like i said, this wasnt for a few days after the workouts, this started happening maybe about a week after the week we tried it, and continued for another week or two. we had gotten back to a normal workout with compounds, and normal sets/reps that we would have used before Mykayls program, and we continued to feel like shit and “shrink”. and just fyi- we did “week 1” and then took “week 2” off as far as upper body was concerned.

i dunno, read some of his shit, go to Mykayls profile…at the least, it is worth a fucking laugh. if you find the discussion about his profile photos, and then look at his profile photos, i guarantee youll be left with the same feeling of wanting to punch yourself in the face, the guy is that nutty!