[quote]wirewound wrote:
It’s been suggested that we started as scavengers that used tools to eat the precious brains and bone marrow of abandoned carcasses - this allowed our brains to get big enough to collectively hunt animals and overcome our natural disadvantages as predators.
Also, depending on ancestry, some of us produce the enzymes and stomach acids necessary for protein processing much more quickly than others.
I thrive on a meat-containing diet - I’ve tried vegetarianism and it made me radically unhealthy. I ate tons of veggies, as well as whole grains, legumes, tubers, fruits, and a whole heck of a lot of tofu. I only got sicker and sicker until I re-introduced meat into my diet. I readily admit, though, that some people can tolerate vegetarianism much better than I. We are not all identical in this capacity.[/quote]
Good points.
I’m often saddened by the fact that there are not more selection pressures acting upon all those vegans. Filthy plant eaters!
Your body has to break down animal meat (their muscle) to turn it into human muscle, so if we just ate human meat it would be a lot better for muscle building purposes, right?
And if we ate brains too we could evolve and be as intelligent as outer space aliens!
[quote]Ahuae wrote:
Haven’t you guys even tought about it for a second ? Honestly, how can a thread evolve without any intelligent comment.
Protein in meat is already made into muscle, you have to break it with your precious enzymes and then take it up again to make it meat. Don’t tell me you didn’t think about that !
Whey protein is superior, grain is superior, eggs, nuts… my own… oops I think I can’t say that… is superior !
Then I’m not saying it’s bad, I’m just saying it’s not really bright, unless like grandpa up there you need money and it’s the intelligent thing to do from what you have.
Next think about it and look at a carnivorous animal intestine, it’s like 5 times shorter, why ? Because meat putrefies in your 24 hours intestine, duh, it’s already got the decomposition enzymes in it activated because it’s DEAD food.
So hear me cashews even tho they taste good are way inferior to live grains because they are DEAD.
Back to the digestive system, carnivorous animals have special enzymes to decompose meat proteins FAST and they secrete alot, ever think why can a dog eat crap and still feel good about it ?
Well there’s the power of our minds too… of I feel some know it all already got me in its crosshairs, I can already feel myself being banned for being intelligent like on the dozen other forums I was on because I won’t shut up, this is ridiculous.
Which animal are we closest digestive-system wise ? Gorilla, what gorilla eats ? Fruits, veggies, nuts and sometimes insects and small fishies… intelligent gorilla !
I’m glad I can’t insult anyone because theres the power of our minds… some people eat crap and feel good about it, some people are sick to their bones even if they watch their shit everyday. Now thats a topic we can’t discuss, lucky yous !
Namase ![/quote]
You’re an idiot. Perhaps well intentioned, maybe well indoctrinated, but an idiot nonetheless.
Have you thought about what you’re saying? Your main argument seemed to be that
a) non-meat protein sources are superior.
b) protein from live sources are superior.
c) animal meat rots in the human intestines.
a) You’ve failed to point out in what way these are superior. Are you talking about the bioavailability of the proteins themselves? Because on that scale, whey’s at the top, and then eggs… and then beef and poultry and fish… and then grains, soy and peas.
b) I understand in broadest sense what you mean by the word ‘dead’. But really, what’s the chemical reaction? What enzymes are present to make it somehow less useful? HOW are ‘live’ sources somehow more digestible than ‘dead’. And how do you tell when it’s ‘dead’? If a banana gets ripped off a tree, and loses connection to the flow of nutrients from the tree does it become ‘dead’? Fill me in, I’d love to know.
c) This one’s interesting. It’s actually true, meat sits in your intestines. That’s why it’s highly advised for athletes to get more than the recommended dosage of fiber, to help move that shit along. It can cause problems, but only if the rest of your diet is poor.
[quote]Otep wrote:
Ahuae wrote:
Haven’t you guys even tought about it for a second ? Honestly, how can a thread evolve without any intelligent comment.
Protein in meat is already made into muscle, you have to break it with your precious enzymes and then take it up again to make it meat. Don’t tell me you didn’t think about that !
Whey protein is superior, grain is superior, eggs, nuts… my own… oops I think I can’t say that… is superior !
Then I’m not saying it’s bad, I’m just saying it’s not really bright, unless like grandpa up there you need money and it’s the intelligent thing to do from what you have.
Next think about it and look at a carnivorous animal intestine, it’s like 5 times shorter, why ? Because meat putrefies in your 24 hours intestine, duh, it’s already got the decomposition enzymes in it activated because it’s DEAD food.
So hear me cashews even tho they taste good are way inferior to live grains because they are DEAD.
Back to the digestive system, carnivorous animals have special enzymes to decompose meat proteins FAST and they secrete alot, ever think why can a dog eat crap and still feel good about it ?
Well there’s the power of our minds too… of I feel some know it all already got me in its crosshairs, I can already feel myself being banned for being intelligent like on the dozen other forums I was on because I won’t shut up, this is ridiculous.
Which animal are we closest digestive-system wise ? Gorilla, what gorilla eats ? Fruits, veggies, nuts and sometimes insects and small fishies… intelligent gorilla !
I’m glad I can’t insult anyone because theres the power of our minds… some people eat crap and feel good about it, some people are sick to their bones even if they watch their shit everyday. Now thats a topic we can’t discuss, lucky yous !
Namase !
You’re an idiot. Perhaps well intentioned, maybe well indoctrinated, but an idiot nonetheless.
Have you thought about what you’re saying? Your main argument seemed to be that
a) non-meat protein sources are superior.
b) protein from live sources are superior.
c) animal meat rots in the human intestines.
a) You’ve failed to point out in what way these are superior. Are you talking about the bioavailability of the proteins themselves? Because on that scale, whey’s at the top, and then eggs… and then beef and poultry and fish… and then grains, soy and peas.
b) I understand in broadest sense what you mean by the word ‘dead’. But really, what’s the chemical reaction? What enzymes are present to make it somehow less useful? HOW are ‘live’ sources somehow more digestible than ‘dead’. And how do you tell when it’s ‘dead’? If a banana gets ripped off a tree, and loses connection to the flow of nutrients from the tree does it become ‘dead’? Fill me in, I’d love to know.
c) This one’s interesting. It’s actually true, meat sits in your intestines. That’s why it’s highly advised for athletes to get more than the recommended dosage of fiber, to help move that shit along. It can cause problems, but only if the rest of your diet is poor.
Oh, and you misspelled Namaste.[/quote]
Unless it is raw nutrients a food product will have to be broken down by enzymes. Carbs start breaking down in the mouth from the amylase in saliva, protein begins breaking down in the stomach when pepsinogen is released, and fats are broken down when lipase is released from the pancreas.
I’m wondering if this guy is a troll or not. have you seen his post in the bodybuiling section.
[quote]Petrichor wrote:
If God didn’t intend us to eat animals, why did he make them so damn tasty ?[/quote]
I am not questioning the creator it is not my purpose, actually I beleive no kind of foods should be refused if there is no alternative, I’m proposing intelligence not point picking. The closest thing to meat I have eaten in the last 5 years was fat dissolved into a soup because I didn’t know about it first hand, and I wasn’t going to refuse what was given to me. I’m not dead
Namase ! (oh yes I must have spelled that wrong about 12 times now ? who’s the dictionarry idiot…)
[quote]meanest wrote:
Ahuae wrote:
Haven’t you guys even tought about it for a second ? Honestly, how can a thread evolve without any intelligent comment.
I thought about the topic for a second, which is all it warrants since there was no real detraction until you came along.
Protein in meat is already made into muscle, you have to break it with your precious enzymes and then take it up again to make it meat. Don’t tell me you didn’t think about that !
The same thing happens with plant fibers. The fact that the process destroys the original cells (which aren’t your own) in order to fuel your own is not spectacular or even noteworthy since that is precisely what happens with most any other consumable substance. That it fuels the same type of cells is irrelevant.
Whey protein is superior, grain is superior, eggs, nuts… my own… oops I think I can’t say that… is superior !
Then I’m not saying it’s bad, I’m just saying it’s not really bright, unless like grandpa up there you need money and it’s the intelligent thing to do from what you have.
Superior until you have a B12 deficiency. And why do we get deficiencies in B12 when we avoid meat? Because we’ve adapted as a species to consuming and utilizing this vitamin. This flies in the face of the “natural foods” advocates’ claim that we were not meant to eat flesh.
As for being superior you don’t mention in what ways.
Next think about it and look at a carnivorous animal intestine, it’s like 5 times shorter, why ? Because meat putrefies in your 24 hours intestine, duh, it’s already got the decomposition enzymes in it activated because it’s DEAD food.
And look at an omnivore’s intestines, which ours are. We specialize in nothing. Generalization, that has been one key to success in so many climes over so many eons. We can get by with meat. We can get by with veg. That we are not specifically adapted does not indicate that meat is not for us.
So hear me cashews even tho they taste good are way inferior to live grains because they are DEAD.
If you can explain to me how our bodies are negatively impacted by the advanced breakdown (i.e. cooking) of meats then you may have an argument. You’re simply making a claim here.
Back to the digestive system, carnivorous animals have special enzymes to decompose meat proteins FAST and they secrete alot, ever think why can a dog eat crap and still feel good about it ?
Well there’s the power of our minds too… of I feel some know it all already got me in its crosshairs, I can already feel myself being banned for being intelligent like on the dozen other forums I was on because I won’t shut up, this is ridiculous.
You come off as well-intentioned but comments like these taint your post.
Which animal are we closest digestive-system wise ? Gorilla, what gorilla eats ? Fruits, veggies, nuts and sometimes insects and small fishies… intelligent gorilla !
But we aren’t Gorillas and despite our close relations there have been adaptations which have happened since our divergence from our common ancestor. Changes that allow them all the microbes and enzymes which afford them their semi-specialization. Odd that they would eat fish occasionally, some of the most B12 rich foods available besides mollusks and other shellfish… Oh no, that makes perfect sense.
I’m glad I can’t insult anyone because theres the power of our minds… some people eat crap and feel good about it, some people are sick to their bones even if they watch their shit everyday. Now thats a topic we can’t discuss, lucky yous !
I’m sorry, what would make you want to insult someone? Did I miss a post somewhere?
Namase !
Cheers.[/quote]
Hi Mr.Know-it-all ! I knew you’d come along and your song is sweet to my ears, we’re here to have fun and share information right ?
We won’t even talk about vegetables yet, since you seem to be very afraid of them, and I’m not there to do your homework so lets get on to sizable bites :
Meat structure takes lots of enzymes to break down those long chain proteins which are muscle, of course you’re right about taking enzymes to digest whey proteins for example, I don’t remember being absolute about that anyways… But the fact is that those proteins will be something easy for you to work with, they are sizeable bites like arginine, tyrosine etc… they are NOT, muscle, thus you will expend MUCH less enzymes to process it, thats why it works so well. I’m sure you’re not that indoctrinated, many sages around the world said some things like :
Judge not lest ye be judged.
One can only judge the reflection of the spirit within.
Some say a good man will know his proverbs.
It’s not irrelevant mr.Borg I am a machine radiohead you know you can do better, there are like thousands of different enzymes in your body, some more essential than others, like I said do your homework, you’ll see my point is already made in the scientific community, or we wouldn’t have micro-filtrated whey protein to make sure we only get the FREE proteins for easy absorbtion.
Go research the difference between GERMINATION and PUTREFACTION Grains come all equiped with the enzymes to germinate, which by a lucky genius are the same enzymes we use to digest them… thats a no-brainer ! Cellulase, Protease (of course like us they digest proteins to make their own tissue) So the egg or the chicken ! The egg of course, but it’s not an absolute… even less a law, well maybe not !
Again I did not say we aren’t meant to eat meat, I just said if you have the choice it’s not intelligent, bacteria in your gut will use grains to make all the B vitamins you need, and if you are defiscient and are not sensitive enough to know by yourself you can go see a doctor and then supplement with it. I’m not your babysitter, whats this all about ?
People seem to think that you do this that happens, let me tell you we’re a miracle on 2 legs ! If you have defiscient gut flora because you’ve eaten meat and no live food then become vegetarian eating vegetarian processed foods, of course you’ll have b-12 defsciency , DUH ! You’re not talking to mr.Estiupido here…
I especially encourage people to eat shellfish over fish, of course my post is tainted, the whole subject is tainted, and you can see by the replies I get ! I’m not writting a book here… We don’t have an omnivore intestine, go do your homework, we’re meant to ferment live grains and veggies over a 24 hour period with bacteria in our guts, even a kid could tell shown the schematics ! Well especially kids since they do not take pride yet in becoming a sterelised piece of machinery. I have seen vegetarians (yes they use whey and will eat shellfish and even insects, of course thats what nature intended *simpler organisms have simpler protein structures) with much more impressive musculature than meat eaters, to me it looks better and probably tastes better for who we care about…
[quote]Ahuae wrote:
Haven’t you guys even tought about it for a second ? Honestly, how can a thread evolve without any intelligent comment.
Protein in meat is already made into muscle, you have to break it with your precious enzymes and then take it up again to make it meat. Don’t tell me you didn’t think about that !
Whey protein is superior, grain is superior, eggs, nuts… my own… oops I think I can’t say that… is superior !
Then I’m not saying it’s bad, I’m just saying it’s not really bright, unless like grandpa up there you need money and it’s the intelligent thing to do from what you have.
Next think about it and look at a carnivorous animal intestine, it’s like 5 times shorter, why ? Because meat putrefies in your 24 hours intestine, duh, it’s already got the decomposition enzymes in it activated because it’s DEAD food.
So hear me cashews even tho they taste good are way inferior to live grains because they are DEAD.
Back to the digestive system, carnivorous animals have special enzymes to decompose meat proteins FAST and they secrete alot, ever think why can a dog eat crap and still feel good about it ?
Well there’s the power of our minds too… of I feel some know it all already got me in its crosshairs, I can already feel myself being banned for being intelligent like on the dozen other forums I was on because I won’t shut up, this is ridiculous.
Which animal are we closest digestive-system wise ? Gorilla, what gorilla eats ? Fruits, veggies, nuts and sometimes insects and small fishies… intelligent gorilla !
I’m glad I can’t insult anyone because theres the power of our minds… some people eat crap and feel good about it, some people are sick to their bones even if they watch their shit everyday. Now thats a topic we can’t discuss, lucky yous !
Namase ![/quote]
Actually, gorillas are cannibals and eat the young of rival packs if they get a hold of them… watch the discovery channel in between watering your plants.
Also, what did cave men eat??? thats right, animals…
Actually, gorillas are cannibals and eat the young of rival packs if they get a hold of them… watch the discovery channel in between watering your plants.
Also, what did cave men eat??? thats right, animals…
Thats an interesting comment, I have also seen dolphins attack and then eat each other because they were obviously deranged somehow. If people can become contaminated drinking or dipping in lead water for example and become violent so can gorillas, did they bother to test the gorrilas ? I doubt it, nothing happens for nothing in life, but of course you knew that if you are intelligent enough to comment on my very intelligent discourse.
If they were cannibals perse they wouldn’t only eat other’s youngs, they would be cannibals. This is a very complex matter which it would please you to see as simple, per your expression.
Cave men battled with very harsh climate, and they were intelligent enough to eat their meat fresh and uncooked, thats where most of the putrefaction enzymes haven’t been activated and the meat still is ALIVE with nutrients. Now didn’t you ever wonder why they put red coloring in meat to make it look more appealing ?
[quote]wirewound wrote:
It’s been suggested that we started as scavengers that used tools to eat the precious brains and bone marrow of abandoned carcasses - this allowed our brains to get big enough to collectively hunt animals and overcome our natural disadvantages as predators.
Also, depending on ancestry, some of us produce the enzymes and stomach acids necessary for protein processing much more quickly than others.
I thrive on a meat-containing diet - I’ve tried vegetarianism and it made me radically unhealthy. I ate tons of veggies, as well as whole grains, legumes, tubers, fruits, and a whole heck of a lot of tofu. I only got sicker and sicker until I re-introduced meat into my diet. I readily admit, though, that some people can tolerate vegetarianism much better than I. We are not all identical in this capacity.[/quote]
Finally an intelligent comment !
We could get on the subject of gene activation but that would be a very long and strenuous road, to make it brief we have degenerated in the last 100 years, and who says degeneration says regeneration in another place, which is obviously what is happening. But that sadly dosen’t change the predisposition of our stomach.
Did you eat your whole grains as they were germinating ? or did you eat processed full grains, did you supplement with friendly bacteria at the same time ? Did you eat all your veggies uncooked ?
Thats how you became sick, you looked to make it more pleasurable withour having to quench your wisdom teeth into resonance, which is another complex subject.
Remember it’s always like this in life, there is no good or bad, it’s always compound, and what you lack somewhere you have somewhere else better, thats how I see it !
[quote]Otep wrote:
Ahuae wrote:
Haven’t you guys even tought about it for a second ? Honestly, how can a thread evolve without any intelligent comment.
Protein in meat is already made into muscle, you have to break it with your precious enzymes and then take it up again to make it meat. Don’t tell me you didn’t think about that !
Whey protein is superior, grain is superior, eggs, nuts… my own… oops I think I can’t say that… is superior !
Then I’m not saying it’s bad, I’m just saying it’s not really bright, unless like grandpa up there you need money and it’s the intelligent thing to do from what you have.
Next think about it and look at a carnivorous animal intestine, it’s like 5 times shorter, why ? Because meat putrefies in your 24 hours intestine, duh, it’s already got the decomposition enzymes in it activated because it’s DEAD food.
So hear me cashews even tho they taste good are way inferior to live grains because they are DEAD.
Back to the digestive system, carnivorous animals have special enzymes to decompose meat proteins FAST and they secrete alot, ever think why can a dog eat crap and still feel good about it ?
Well there’s the power of our minds too… of I feel some know it all already got me in its crosshairs, I can already feel myself being banned for being intelligent like on the dozen other forums I was on because I won’t shut up, this is ridiculous.
Which animal are we closest digestive-system wise ? Gorilla, what gorilla eats ? Fruits, veggies, nuts and sometimes insects and small fishies… intelligent gorilla !
I’m glad I can’t insult anyone because theres the power of our minds… some people eat crap and feel good about it, some people are sick to their bones even if they watch their shit everyday. Now thats a topic we can’t discuss, lucky yous !
Namase !
You’re an idiot. Perhaps well intentioned, maybe well indoctrinated, but an idiot nonetheless.
Have you thought about what you’re saying? Your main argument seemed to be that
a) non-meat protein sources are superior.
b) protein from live sources are superior.
c) animal meat rots in the human intestines.
a) You’ve failed to point out in what way these are superior. Are you talking about the bioavailability of the proteins themselves? Because on that scale, whey’s at the top, and then eggs… and then beef and poultry and fish… and then grains, soy and peas.
b) I understand in broadest sense what you mean by the word ‘dead’. But really, what’s the chemical reaction? What enzymes are present to make it somehow less useful? HOW are ‘live’ sources somehow more digestible than ‘dead’. And how do you tell when it’s ‘dead’? If a banana gets ripped off a tree, and loses connection to the flow of nutrients from the tree does it become ‘dead’? Fill me in, I’d love to know.
c) This one’s interesting. It’s actually true, meat sits in your intestines. That’s why it’s highly advised for athletes to get more than the recommended dosage of fiber, to help move that shit along. It can cause problems, but only if the rest of your diet is poor.
Oh, and you misspelled Namaste.[/quote]
Hi !
Did I get confused again as to who posted what ? Sorry, yes I get confused.
Live food has enzymes in it that prepare it for digestion, plants will prepare their leaves and roots for digestion to create flowers, sprouts, fruits… you see the pattern is pretty simple !
You could always supplement with enzymes, but it does take alot to make meat effiscient, and why bother when it’s all in grains and fresh nuts with the right amount of fatty acids, vitamins and minerals.
And about fruits, the more ripe they are, even downright looking like they are putrefacting, that means more enzymes are activated to prepare germination of its grains, if you eat the fruit without the seeds, well you’re missing the better part, and beware of non-biological foods as toxins tend to concentrate in the seeds.
I’ve had my dose of meat enjoyment in my life, I’ve tried everything, but of course thats my opinion.
I feel ignorance is a curse, not bliss, you will forgive me for not liking Cypher.
[quote]Ahuae wrote:
meanest wrote:
Ahuae wrote:
Haven’t you guys even tought about it for a second ? Honestly, how can a thread evolve without any intelligent comment.
I thought about the topic for a second, which is all it warrants since there was no real detraction until you came along.
Protein in meat is already made into muscle, you have to break it with your precious enzymes and then take it up again to make it meat. Don’t tell me you didn’t think about that !
The same thing happens with plant fibers. The fact that the process destroys the original cells (which aren’t your own) in order to fuel your own is not spectacular or even noteworthy since that is precisely what happens with most any other consumable substance. That it fuels the same type of cells is irrelevant.
Whey protein is superior, grain is superior, eggs, nuts… my own… oops I think I can’t say that… is superior !
Then I’m not saying it’s bad, I’m just saying it’s not really bright, unless like grandpa up there you need money and it’s the intelligent thing to do from what you have.
Superior until you have a B12 deficiency. And why do we get deficiencies in B12 when we avoid meat? Because we’ve adapted as a species to consuming and utilizing this vitamin. This flies in the face of the “natural foods” advocates’ claim that we were not meant to eat flesh.
As for being superior you don’t mention in what ways.
Next think about it and look at a carnivorous animal intestine, it’s like 5 times shorter, why ? Because meat putrefies in your 24 hours intestine, duh, it’s already got the decomposition enzymes in it activated because it’s DEAD food.
And look at an omnivore’s intestines, which ours are. We specialize in nothing. Generalization, that has been one key to success in so many climes over so many eons. We can get by with meat. We can get by with veg. That we are not specifically adapted does not indicate that meat is not for us.
So hear me cashews even tho they taste good are way inferior to live grains because they are DEAD.
If you can explain to me how our bodies are negatively impacted by the advanced breakdown (i.e. cooking) of meats then you may have an argument. You’re simply making a claim here.
Back to the digestive system, carnivorous animals have special enzymes to decompose meat proteins FAST and they secrete alot, ever think why can a dog eat crap and still feel good about it ?
Well there’s the power of our minds too… of I feel some know it all already got me in its crosshairs, I can already feel myself being banned for being intelligent like on the dozen other forums I was on because I won’t shut up, this is ridiculous.
You come off as well-intentioned but comments like these taint your post.
Which animal are we closest digestive-system wise ? Gorilla, what gorilla eats ? Fruits, veggies, nuts and sometimes insects and small fishies… intelligent gorilla !
But we aren’t Gorillas and despite our close relations there have been adaptations which have happened since our divergence from our common ancestor. Changes that allow them all the microbes and enzymes which afford them their semi-specialization. Odd that they would eat fish occasionally, some of the most B12 rich foods available besides mollusks and other shellfish… Oh no, that makes perfect sense.
I’m glad I can’t insult anyone because theres the power of our minds… some people eat crap and feel good about it, some people are sick to their bones even if they watch their shit everyday. Now thats a topic we can’t discuss, lucky yous !
I’m sorry, what would make you want to insult someone? Did I miss a post somewhere?
Namase !
Cheers.
Hi Mr.Know-it-all ! I knew you’d come along and your song is sweet to my ears, we’re here to have fun and share information right ?
[/quote]
I never claimed to know it all, and I’m surprised and saddened that you would be taken to sarcastically insulting someone who merely offered their insight. You conclude your posts with ‘Namase’ yet you show that you have no clue what the word truly implies.
Now we have something to evaluate. But as it relates to the argument at hand that ‘meat is bad’ you still have a ways to go. If you want to use the amount of enzymes used to process food then sugar must be the best thing for your body.
Did you ever stop to think about the gradual breakdown of meats being superior to the quicker breakdown? The consistent energy supply available (versus the sporadic, insulin-spiking energy which comes from easier to digest sources) is a benefit to us, not a bane.
You act like you know it all. Everything except what Namaste truly means.
You come here making the claims. You claim one thing and then claim it’s supported in the annals of scientific inquiry; yet you put the onus on ME to go find the evidence in support of your argument? Since you know what you’re looking for why not do YOUR homework then bring the results here?
This is true. Plant enzymes can be stable in our stomachs, allowing us to break down the food faster.
But as I mentioned before, faster isn’t always better since the protein content of plants in question is minuscule compared to meat, so you’re actually getting the carbohydrates faster, and as it relates to preventing storage of glycogen in adipose, choosing plants as a protein source is unwise (depending on your goals) since they’re predominantly carbohydrates.
[quote]thats a no-brainer ! Cellulase, Protease (of course like us they digest proteins to make their own tissue) So the egg or the chicken ! The egg of course, but it’s not an absolute… even less a law, well maybe not !
Again I did not say we aren’t meant to eat meat, I just said if you have the choice it’s not intelligent, bacteria in your gut will use grains to make all the B vitamins you need, and if you are defiscient and are not sensitive enough to know by yourself you can go see a doctor and then supplement with it. I’m not your babysitter, whats this all about ?
[/quote]
That’s true. There are a few types of bacteria shown to dwell in the small intestine which produce ample amounts of B12. Pseudomonas aeruginosa and klebsiella pneumoniae. This isn’t common though.
The other place where B12 is produced is past the ileum, and unless you are eating your own shit then you won’t be able to take advantage of this.
[quote]People seem to think that you do this that happens, let me tell you we’re a miracle on 2 legs ! If you have defiscient gut flora because you’ve eaten meat and no live food then become vegetarian eating vegetarian processed foods, of course you’ll have b-12 defsciency , DUH ! You’re not talking to mr.Estiupido here…
I especially encourage people to eat shellfish over fish, of course my post is tainted, the whole subject is tainted, and you can see by the replies I get ! I’m not writting a book here… We don’t have an omnivore intestine, go do your homework, we’re meant to ferment live grains and veggies over a 24 hour period with bacteria in our guts, even a kid could tell shown the schematics !
Well especially kids since they do not take pride yet in becoming a sterelised piece of machinery. I have seen vegetarians (yes they use whey and will eat shellfish and even insects, of course thats what nature intended *simpler organisms have simpler protein structures)
With much more impressive musculature than meat eaters, to me it looks better and probably tastes better for who we care about…
NamaSe !
[/quote]
Your persecution complex is queer. Do as I have done in the past and forget about the inconsequential. Also, just because you are met with hostility doesn’t mean that you possess a truth they’re unwilling to hear.
Anyone who claims grains (a relatively recent product of agriculture) are healthier than animal protein intake (assuming your fiber intake is sufficient already) for the average human needs to have their head examined
There are many people in western society (not just the obese) who simply do not deserve sugary or starchy carbs in any significant amount due to their sedentary lives including modern jobs where they are forced to sit on their asses for 8+ hours a day
mild insulin resistance is an insane epidemic in western society and having grain products pushed on us from EVERYWHERE only makes the situation worse
i turn on the TV and within 5 minutes i can see another stupid food product commercial trumpeting the failed 1970’s policy of “fat/cholesterol intake = fat gain and heart disease, carb intake = healthy body”
"I never claimed to know it all, and I’m surprised and saddened that you would be taken to sarcastically insulting someone who merely offered their insight. You conclude your posts with ‘Namase’ yet you show that you have no clue what the word truly implies. "
I know I’m not being serious, I know what namaste means but this is the internet, and I can’t Mr.T you, that would be queer, if you like those kind of aliterations. Insight is great, but think about it. What I’m saying is not about me, it’s about nature and how we’re made, and nature knows us all, not me !
“Now we have something to evaluate. But as it relates to the argument at hand that ‘meat is bad’ you still have a ways to go. If you want to use the amount of enzymes used to process food then sugar must be the best thing for your body.”
“Did you ever stop to think about the gradual breakdown of meats being superior to the quicker breakdown? The consistent energy supply available (versus the sporadic, insulin-spiking energy which comes from easier to digest sources) is a benefit to us, not a bane.”
I stopped to think about pretty much everything before listening to my body and realising nutrition is in our faces and that it’s nothing scientific at all, thats why some people have miracle cures with merely one supplement, when others take dozens and still are debilitated.
I’m just saying, meat is not bad. You say the same thing, yet you disgree with me and you are the one being sarcastic about it saying such things like : Sugar must be the best food for us.
Complex carbohydrates and phytonutrients in grains are and will always be for us long intestined fellas along with the bacteria they naturally contain which are made for them and are naturally protected by the natural bran.
A handful of grains will supply energy almost all day long, and if you train it’s not difficult to eat 10 handfuls, because our body handles it well, digests it a little in the stomach, then it’s slow-release in your intestines for 24 hours. There is ample literature for you to chew on and this is not hard to find.
Take cows for example, now thats a pure vegetarian and it can feed on grass alone, because it has ruminant capabilities which work a little like us, thats why fermented milk products are good for us. But we have nothing (exept the canine teeth maybe) in common with carnivorous animals, and they’re surprisingly ideal to break open a tough apple or an orange, or nuts.
Look it up I’m sure you’ll be agreably surprised and releived to know that the world hunger is not a problem of nature, but a problem of humanity. We feed all our grain to animals that feed less than 10% of the population, yet we can feed the whole world with grain. Rice has more genes than us, the evidence is compelling, but I’m not trying to sell you anything, you see ?
And yet such a simple truth scares, you are right that I might have expressed my opinion with no proof, and that I might have tought you wanted to prove me otherwise, which is why I asked for the science. I have no point to make, only information to share, this is the internet !
My information is truth written all over, we are animals and I think you agree, look up the animals which look more like us inside and you will see what we need ! No science need to prove that, an animal with no verbal consciousness cannot diverge from nature much like us, I hope you agree to that too.
If you like then to know if the bacteria to make vitamins are really in the grain you buy I say go organic. If you don’t beleive it’s possible then you can make up your own mind with your own research I dunno really. I guess I’m just saying sorry there is no argument to meat-eating that can be backed by science, and I pose quite a challenge about that.
I can pull out stuff that are advantages to meat eating, some of those ready made proteins (sadly not much of them in proportion) like GABA, l-carnithine, stuff rarely seen in vegetables can be very-very good for you. But if you have it all right within (enzymes and bacteria, thus HYGIENIC flora) then you can make that up all on your own.
If you think something in say a grain eating animal is better than grain then go see the figures, I don’t remember exactly how much grain it takes to produce one pound of meat but it’s ridiculous, why ? Because these oh so good ready made stuffs in the meat get used by the animal and you only get so much at the end of its life, the rest is wasted and children in africa are crying and receiving packets of processed corn starch, when full corn is so much healthier and less expensive, why ? Because we get all the corn syrup and the oils, and HEY thats big money.
Like before I’m not saying I have something against you or that it’s your fault…
It’s just, man people like to think whats convenient, and as far as fun goes I didn’t come here to discuss opinions on convenience.
[quote]Ahuae wrote:
wirewound wrote:
It’s been suggested that we started as scavengers that used tools to eat the precious brains and bone marrow of abandoned carcasses - this allowed our brains to get big enough to collectively hunt animals and overcome our natural disadvantages as predators.
Also, depending on ancestry, some of us produce the enzymes and stomach acids necessary for protein processing much more quickly than others.
I thrive on a meat-containing diet - I’ve tried vegetarianism and it made me radically unhealthy. I ate tons of veggies, as well as whole grains, legumes, tubers, fruits, and a whole heck of a lot of tofu.
I only got sicker and sicker until I re-introduced meat into my diet. I readily admit, though, that some people can tolerate vegetarianism much better than I. We are not all identical in this capacity.
Finally an intelligent comment !
We could get on the subject of gene activation but that would be a very long and strenuous road, to make it brief we have degenerated in the last 100 years, and who says degeneration says regeneration in another place, which is obviously what is happening. But that sadly dosen’t change the predisposition of our stomach.
Did you eat your whole grains as they were germinating ? or did you eat processed full grains, did you supplement with friendly bacteria at the same time ? Did you eat all your veggies uncooked ?
Thats how you became sick, you looked to make it more pleasurable withour having to quench your wisdom teeth into resonance, which is another complex subject.
Remember it’s always like this in life, there is no good or bad, it’s always compound, and what you lack somewhere you have somewhere else better, thats how I see it !
Meat eating is not bad in moderation…
Namase !
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Yeah, I tried raw food…I tried sprouts, and sprouted uncooked ‘bread’. I tried everything - it only made me sicker.
Yeah, I tried raw food…I tried sprouts, and sprouted uncooked ‘bread’. I tried everything - it only made me sicker.
Then you definately had a case of systemic Candida, or a mutated kind at that. Live food does not make you sick, but it might not heal you miraculously.
Candida will feed on pretty much anything exept what they put in meat, which is to make sure they kill everything in there. Thats a sad truth people are completely cleared of this mushroom because the more I study into it and it’s seven genetic mutation capabilities, more I’m thinking that its one intelligent thing to have inside us, in it’s friendly stage balanced by bacteria that is.
If you persisted and found the miracles of clay baths, specific enzyme supplements containing alot of cellulase and hemicellulase (which is what the mutated candida cell wall is made out of) and then mega-dose probiotics (topically as well) to make sure every part of your epithelial system (where bacteria occur) is colonized, you would have healed without killing the candida.
Live grain is makign me healthier than ever, and I crave it every morning and night. I don’t eat meat, and I just removed my amalgams and realised I had systemic candida too, of course I was feeding it, it’s all round and round, and round.
I’m healing beautifully now, and from within, finally. 5 years fighting a fella who just asked to be heard.
Filthy plant eaters!
Grains come all equiped with the enzymes to germinate, which by a lucky genius are the same enzymes we use to digest them… thats a no-brainer ! Cellulase, Protease (of course like us they digest proteins to make their own tissue) So the egg or the chicken ! The egg of course, but it’s not an absolute… even less a law, well maybe not !