Gay bashing on these forums

I’m willing to bet that a lot of negative gay inuendos that are expressed (not just here, but everywhere) are the result of peoples’ frustration with how “in your face” the gay movement has become.

Not only is the rest of the American population asked to accept the gay lifestyle, but to embrace it!

Like it or not, the “gay militants” pushing what they feel is the gay agenda (which it isn’t as far as the majority of my gay friends are concerned), are instead pushing a large chunk of the public the other way.

And “8%” of the people in this country are not gay, Rummy…

GASP
How did I miss this thread for so long?!!
You guys need to quit acting like a bunch of fags and just grow up and quit arguing.

Sure, gays have all the same rights when they don’t admit they are gay. And, they can’t be married, can’t adopt children, are discriminated in business as well as social environments.

Look, if you think gays “choose” to be gay, then we simply disagree. Let’s talk in 30 years, and see how you feel.

And no, comparisons to race are not erroneous. I study and write about racial violence as my career, especially violence against African-Americans in the post-reformation period. The parallels in thought and attitude are pronounced, not necessarily the result (wholesale murder)

Change the channel? Done. If I never had anything to contribute, as Greekdawg has argued, then I’m sure you won’t miss me.

As a final point, I’m not overally PC. But when every little joke, every little analogy or stab has to do with “fags”, then I think those doing it are a bunch of assholes. Peace.

Oh, and 67% of American oppose gay marriage - well, I really give a shit. What, gay marriage will destroy the moral fabric of our country?

You can get married in Vegas, divorced the next day in Texas, and pop out a couple of accidental children and be within the definition of morality, but as soon as two life partners want to wed but happen to be the same sex, our morality is destroyed? Hahahaha.

With a 50% divorce rate, 67% of Americans need to check their fucking heads.

Ok, as a straight man I feel very put apon by the gay culture to accept something that I feel is the very epitome of 'repulsive'. I was born with a predisposition to be repulsed by homosexual behaviour and I refuse to relinquish my right to express my feelings on this subject whenever I am subjected to the object of my repulsion.

My older brother was the first person to expose me to the word "fag". When he explained what it meant I thought that he had truly outdone himself this time. He must have dreampt up the most perverse and disgusting thing that he could think of just to get the satisfaction of severely grossing me out. He did that sort of thing all the time. However, this time it turned out that he didn't make it up, and when I found out that it was true I was absolutely dumbfounded. I could not understand a concept that would have never even occurred to me as being even a remote possibility if someone hadn't told me about it. I still to this day do not understand it and quite frankly at this point I don't think I ever will.

Yes, I am ignorant about homosexuality. No, I do not understand it, no matter how many different ways I try to think about it, I just can't seem to bend my mind around the concept of it. As a child and a young adult I was completely repulsed by gays and the emerging gay culture. It did not inspire fear or hate in me, it simply made me feel uneasy, disgusted, and sick to my stomach. I am sorry if this offends anyone, but it is a very strong feeling that I have very little control over.

Now, before all of the homo-sensitive people come out and torch the hell outa me and call me a homophobe, allow me to explain how I have worked very hard to cultivate personal tolerance for gays. I must say that it has been very difficult and I still struggle with it. I still get very squeamish when I observe public displays of affection between two men. However, I have made alot of progress, I can and do interact on a social level with gay people now. I have gone to great lengths to condition myself to try to think of them as another human being first and foremost, and try not to think about the disgusting things they do.

I know that I sound very judgemental and close minded, but I am not doing it out of spite or hatred. I know that most if not all gay people would rather not hear my opinion, and that is why I haven't ever expressed it verbally or in writing until now. I honestly feel bad for making any of you feel bad, but I can't change the way I feel about male on male intimacy. In short it seriously makes me sick, I can literally feel it tugging on my gag reflex when I am subjected to the sight of homosexuals being intimate with each other.

I understand that alot of people are not sensitive to gays and thier culture, but I also think that gays fail to understand how difficult it can be for straight people to be exposed to the gay lifestyle. I know that there are alot of people that find it far easier to tolerate, and that sexual orientation may not even be a black and white kind of thing for alot of people that are typically categorized as straight. So in the sense that homosexuality may appear in varying degrees in most people, it would also be feasible to surmise that for some people, sexual orientation actually IS a strictly black and white kind of thing.

I have made a serious effort to treat gays with respect, and I will defend thier right to do whatever they want with consentual adults under the appropriate settings. I simply ask that they respect me and my feelings as well.

I have been sexually harrassed by gay men after clearly stating that I was not interested and I wanted them to stop. I have even been stalked by a guy that I knew from a temp job that I worked one summer. Even after those experiences I still don't condemn all gay people as bad people. However, other people will hold those individuals actions against all gays. There are alot of good gay people, there are also bad ones, just like any other group of people. Unfortunately the bad ones can really hurt the general image of the entire group. Also, remember that stereotypes are allways inspired by at least some real experiences so there is some truth to them. I can honestly say that 90% of the men that I have met that were openly gay were very effeminite and displayed behaviour that was generally silly and flambuoyant in nature. So the sissy stereotype is not completely unfounded.

My advice to gays that get all indignant all the time about people saying or joking about things that they find offensive is to chill the fuck out. For only being 8% of the population gays sure have alot of general acceptance, I can't even turn on the tv without seeing something about gays or someone that is gay. For someone that finds homosexuality so repulsive I sure do get subjected to an awefull lot of media exposure to it, and if I complain I am suddenly branded as an ignorant redneck homophobe. How do I apologize for being grossed out by someones behaviour, and why is it now a social taboo to not be totally comfortable with gays?

I am sure that this post is going to cause alot of people on this forum to hate me. I am not the most profound or sophisticated thinker and I am sure that I probably presented my thoughts in a less than perfect manner, but I think that I got my point accross, and it really felt good to finally get that out. I am sure that the percieved anti-gay views of some of the people on this board were really agitating rumbach and it probably felt good for him to finally get his thoughts on the subject out as well.

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The Kinsey Institute has estimated that Gays, Lesbians, and Bisexuals make up 10% of the U.S population.

Maybe that’s high. Let’s say 5%. That’s a lot of people.

Clear on your conscience on this:
Their cause, if they had one, is no thing to them now;
They hate for hate’s sake.

WH Auden

What little respect I had for P-DOG has completely disappeared.

ZEB:

Christ man, and I thought my post was long! Where to begin…

  1. “That does not mean that you enjoy watching it, hearing about it or being around it”

My issue is mostly with the association between ‘gay’ and ‘anal sex’. The two are not synonymous. I assume you’d rather avoid any mention of the latter; I’d agree. It’s not business to be shared, and if Joe Gay decides to bring it up in conversation, by all means shoot him down if that’s how you feel.

  1. This one is highly debatable. You can say whatever you like, that’s protected by law. But should you say it?

Hey, they can’t help it!

Now this bothers me. I get the sensation that you believe sexuality is a choice. If that’s the case, I certainly can’t convince you otherwise.

But then I’d have to ask: Could you love men? Why not?

  1. Already covered in 1.

  2. Not at all! I feel both should have same rights! But of course, given the highly religious nature of this country, it’ll be some until that happens.

What starts in the bedroom stays in the bedroom. If the heterosexual public considers it unnatural, so be it. It isn’t their business, and shouldn’t be made as much.

  1. I knew you’d pounce on that. That was emotion speaking, I have no factual basis. Merely personal experience.

When the hetero public gets used to idea of gay people (shows like “Queer Eye” are a step in the right direction; you have to acknowledge to lampoon), I expect much of this debate will be moot.

  1. No comment. Nothing to rebut, really. Some repetition from 4.

  2. “I would still maintain that even if the emotions are not by choice, the act is in fact by choice!”

No more or less than heterosexual sex. What you feel for a woman, a gay man feels for another.

I couldn’t possibly speak for those who’ve skipped back across the fence. Sexual confusion is nothing new; as a matter of fact, it’s a hallmark of puberty. I wouldn’t count on outliers for the foundation of your argument. You said as much yourself in the martial arts debate.

  1. This is all about tone. I simply didn’t like your tone. I could very easily picture someone making the same argument while wearing the proverbial ‘shit-eating grin’, as it were. You attempted to pull hypocrisy from the well to weaken his argument, and I just don’t see it.

As to those enlightened wonders who stated “one should not even be thinking in a critical way of homosexuality”. I can only shake my head in disgust. You self proclaimed thought police are the last thing that this nation needs!

Not I, said the green duck. Be critical as much as you’d like, but only if it’s made your business. If not, leave it be.

DI

Merlin:

Quiet, bitch. :~)

DI

Wow, gay bashing at it’s finest. You guys are a bunch of pussies for making fun of people who are homosexual. You are also a bunch of pussies for finding homosexual innuendos in things that Rumbach said.

Greekdawg - there actually has been a lot of research into being born gay. Look it up before you say something dumb again.

Morq- you are an insensitive asshole. I hope you get your ass kicked by a gay man named Bubba.

i love a portion of the gay lifestyle, that is the lesbian portion. i think lesbians are absolutely freaken great!

LOL. I love you P-DOG. (In a strictly platonic and straight way, of course)
:slight_smile:

I think too much offense has been taken from offhand remarks. I call my best friends cocksucker, cum-guzzler, dickface, etc. They don’t take it the wrong way. This is moronic, though entertaining. Please proceed…

Oh, free thought is fine with me. So long as it’s reasonably intelligent and informed.

It’s the blatant stupidity that I object to. That shit should be censored.

In a perfect world, it would be by the person him/herself, but, alas, that’s kind of a self-defeating idea. After all, if the person’s stupid enough to actually post something like that in the first place, it’s not likely that they’re going to have enough on the ball to self-censor.

“Freedom to be stupid is the worst slavery of all.” Chiun

oh and Mike, youre right that 8% isnt the right figure. Its probably closer to 10%, and I guarantee its much higher in the bodybuilding field. I don’t feel like contributing anything to this post just because nobody will listen anyway. The whole point of the thread was to tell people to cool it with the hate filled comments. Nobody ever said anyting about acceptance or even being happy about it initially. But can you really not go without insulting people for reasons that need no insulting. I could give a shit how you talk to your friends and even here, but why argue over your right to be spiteful and angry? Nobody is going to stop you, but is it worth it? Will it change your life that much if you have to stop misusing the word gay? Btw, im glad you know the word repugnant, you really look much smarter.

Hey, just start making fun of the blind, they can’t read the message boards anyhow.

This thread is generating dialogue and that’s pretty much the most important thing, exchanging ideas. My addition is this, usually dudes who are most secure with their heterosexuality don’t have a problem with homosexuality which results in regular joking around. It’s insecure guys, who usually end being gay themselves, who go fucking crazy when the topic is brought up and say shit that’s overboard. That’s pretty funny after some of the blatant one liners on this thread. Furthermore, if you’re secure with yourself whether your gay, a woman, midget, etc. you should really give a fat fuck what goes on at an internet chat board.

So long Rumbach…sorry if the board left a bad taste in your mouth…whoops…we did it again;)

This crap is going to go back and forth forever, thanks rumy

Agreed 100% with ZEB here.

A lot of people seem to be missing the point.

My take on the discussion is that if I see a pair of gay men kissing in public I have every right to find that repulsive

However, if a gay man saw me kissing my girlfriend in public, I’d similarly expect him to find that act repulsive.

If I were to learn that a gay man found my actions repulsive would I cry foul, whine that he was being heterophobic, that he was afraid of my straightness and afraid that he might have a long buried attraction to women and that he had no right to feel or even think my actions were gross?

Of course not.

Suppose I did though, and I held the view that a gay man was not allowed to think that straight sex was repulsive - wouldn’t I effectively be arguing that he has no right to be gay?

So how can gays argue I don’t have the right to be straight?

I can’t decide if P-Dog’s comment that
“gays have rights in this country equal to that of every other man” is the funniest or stupidest comment I have heard this week.

Probably both.

If you are strong enough to lift weights, you should be strong enough to pick up a newspaper and read it every now and then.

ZEB…your logic and fairness are flawless. I am scared as hell when someone like Bostonbarrister tells us that somethings are wrong to think or say. My question is this: who is to judge what should be thought…said…or not said?..the thought police???..scarrrryyyy!!!
Just as gays have the right to free speech and expression of their “sexual choices” the rest of us have the right to express our disagreement…repulsion…admiration…disgust…awe…or anything other thought or feeling that this behavior elicits within us. When we start trying to censure free speech…that is a very dangerous path for all of tread down.
Again…I am seeing alot of hypocrisy on the part of some people in certain lifestyles or beliefs systems who champion free speech on one hand when it suits them…but condemn free speech on the other hand when it is not so flattering!

HYPOCRITS!!!

I agree with SackOCrack, blind people suck…unless you’re a fat gay midget