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[quote]Ghost22 wrote:
DrVonNostrand wrote:
Ghost22 wrote:
misguided babble

You are the toughest man alive, and we bow to you. In your illustrious street fighting career, in which you were always a gentleman, never did a professional fighter put you in one of those “objectionable” positions.

Somebody destroys you with totally legal and agreed upon techniques, in a sanctioned fighting event, and you’re going to kill them?

Civilized MMA? Lives not in danger? What planet are you from? Again, punches, knees, and kicks to the head are potentially lethal. Slamming an opponent to the ground is highly dangerous. Yet you choose to pass judgement on select “dirty” fighters.

There are plenty of people who share similar views, and feel that submissions and grappling in general is dirty compared to pure standup. This is a perfectly fine opinion to have.
They’re just not MMA fans.

I never claimed to be super tough, I just don’t have to front being hard by screaming to the mountain tops that I love seeing blood in fights, etc.

I’ve fought in the real world and I’ve fought in kickboxing and have never found it necessary to hurt someone beyond a few bruises in either.

Fuck legality, it’s not cool to do some of that stuff.

If you wanna win that bad you’re seriously lacking in the human compassion department.

Please forgive me if I’m not the most badass of badass of the MMA goons.

Now go pretend to be a badass to the kiddies in the gym when you’re squatting a whole 2 plates. [/quote]

Stop talking out of your ass, you damsel in distress.

If you don’t understand rules and people who consent to the rules, then it’s your own damn problem.

Stop acting tough, please, you’d get owned by any C class MMA fighter. Byeee now.

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That was the first time that I have seen any MMA. That shit is fucking amazing. I wish that I could watch more of it in Australia.

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[quote]DrVonNostrand wrote:

“I never claimed to be super tough”

Then what was all that jabber about not getting put into a situation like the ones you despise, and coming back and putting your opponents in the hospital?
I must have imagined all of that.[/quote]

Fair point, but I never said I could kick anyone’s ass. Just that I don’t “get my ass handed to me” as was suggested earlier.

And fine, maybe it IS my sense of morality.

I would never have to stomp someone’s head to win a fight, and I wouldn’t want to win that way anyway.

I don’t see how victory could be sweet when your opponent will never see out of one eye again or never walk again.

It’s the mentality of these fighters that think something like that is okay that really bothers me. Some of these guys look like the kinda thug that gets off starting bar fights and going home and thinking he’s cool.

I mean fuck, if you’ve already got someone on the ground you probably don’t really need to kick them to seal the deal.

Common human decency should override what’s ‘okay’ as far as the rules are concerned.

This is what bothers me.

Would you think it’s cool when your brains end up splattered on the mat for a SPORT after someone stomped your head, I mean shit, it’s IN the rules, so it must be okay, right?

It’s not life and death, and in my opinion techniques that belong only in life and death struggeles have no place in MMA.

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[quote]Ghost22 wrote:

I mean fuck, if you’ve already got someone on the ground you probably don’t really need to kick them to seal the deal.

Common human decency should override what’s ‘okay’ as far as the rules are concerned.

This is what bothers me.

Would you think it’s cool when your brains end up splattered on the mat for a SPORT after someone stomped your head, I mean shit, it’s IN the rules, so it must be okay, right?

It’s not life and death, and in my opinion techniques that belong only in life and death struggeles have no place in MMA.

[/quote]

The funny thing is, that these techniques have not led to a large amount of injury to the fighters. Part of it is that the head stomp is just not as damaging as you would assume on a mat. It’s not pavement that they are laying on.

The other issue is that everyone knows in that sport that once you are on the ground your opponent can do those things. Some fighters simply go for the grapple, or kick the legs. It is actually surprisingly hard to hit the head from that position.

As far as it not being in the rules, I think that when you start making techniques that are not flagrantly damaging/cheap (groin or eye shots) illegal you start getting away from the spirit of MMA.

-Fireplug

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[quote]Classy_Cojones wrote:

DrVonNostrand

Stop talking out of your ass, you damsel in distress.

If you don’t understand rules and people who consent to the rules, then it’s your own damn problem.

Stop acting tough, please, you’d get owned by any C class MMA fighter. Byeee now. [/quote]

You can feel free to go fuck yourself now? Mmmkay?

DrVonNostrand brought up more valid points and I’m willing to argue with him, you’re being a douche bag.

Gee ya really think I couldn’t take on a professional fighter?

I fight as well as I have to, numbskull.

In small drunken scuffles all you need is a solid jaw and a strong right hook. I’ve got both and that’s all I need because that’s the only kinda fight I ever end up in.

Say it with me now (Make sure you take a deep breath first, I know being a mouthbreathing slackjaw makes talking and breathing at the same time hard.)

IT’S NOT ABOUT THE RULES AND MY UNDERSTANDING!!!

It’s about common decency.

For fuck’s sake, am I the only one that thinks the brutality and callousness shown towards fellow competitors is over the top?

Yeah, the fighters are supposed to be tough, but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t be able to go out and get a beer with the guy after you win.

Fuck, you cheer your opponents on in powerlifting.

I wanna win because I’m stronger and trained harder, not because the guy had a shirt blowout and 4 ribs broken.

Same idea should carry over to every sport. I want to win because I’m definatively better, not because I left the other poor kid eating out of a tube for the rest of his natural life.

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I’m done posting here. There’s that saying…

Arguing on the internet is like the special olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.

And I think I’m getting dumber by the minute.

We will not see eye-to-eye on this.

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[quote]Ghost22 wrote:
We will not see eye-to-eye on this.[/quote]

That’s because you’re so stuck in your way of thinking that you can’t bring yourself to take off the blinders and look around. Try looking at some statistics…despite all the “barbaric” aspects of MMA, it is still a much safer sport than boxing. But if you want to get all emotional and ignore the facts, fine…continue living in your little bubble.

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[quote]Ajax wrote:
That was some video.

Anyone know what happened to the guy getting driven into the mat headfirst at the very end of the clip?[/quote]

Yeah he got up and KO’d the other guy. HAHAHA.

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[quote]Skrom wrote:
Ghost22 wrote:
We will not see eye-to-eye on this.

That’s because you’re so stuck in your way of thinking that you can’t bring yourself to take off the blinders and look around. Try looking at some statistics…despite all the “barbaric” aspects of MMA, it is still a much safer sport than boxing. But if you want to get all emotional and ignore the facts, fine…continue living in your little bubble.[/quote]

Ok, I’ll bite. How is MMA safer than boxing? Both are bloodsports that include nasty injuries, with MMA allowing a beating while one is down on the mat. I’m curious as to where you get this fact. I’m not against MMA, or any contact sport, especially boxing, but I just don’t see how getting the fuck beat out of you is safe in either sport.

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[quote]Ghost22 wrote:
I’m done posting here. There’s that saying…

Arguing on the internet is like the special olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.

And I think I’m getting dumber by the minute.

We will not see eye-to-eye on this.[/quote]

You started the argument, killer.

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[quote]BIGRAGOO wrote:
Ok, I’ll bite. How is MMA safer than boxing? Both are bloodsports that include nasty injuries, with MMA allowing a beating while one is down on the mat. I’m curious as to where you get this fact. I’m not against MMA, or any contact sport, especially boxing, but I just don’t see how getting the fuck beat out of you is safe in either sport.[/quote]

It sounds strange, but when you think about it, it makes perfect sense. Boxers wear well-padded gloves and punch each other in the head for however many rounds…that’s a lot of head trauma in a relatively short amount of time. Add to that the fact that when a boxer gets knocked down, he has the option to get back up and get knocked around some more. Because of the padding of the gloves, people don’t get knocked out as easily either, which means they can take a lot more head shots than a MMAist would.

In MMA the gloves don’t do much other than protect the hands of the wearer, so taking a good clean shot to the chin is enough to end a fight. Getting knocked out is not good for you either way, but getting KO’ed quickly is a lot healthier than getting KO’ed after taking over a hundred punches to the head. There is also no down count like there is in boxing…if it looks like one of the fighters isn’t defending himself intelligently, the ref just stops the fight right then and there. In addition, there’s the grappling aspect of it…fighters who are getting beat at stand-up will often take it to the ground to avoid damage. It doesn’t sound safe, but it’s actually surprisingly difficult to land clean blows on the ground unless you’re really good at it (or in the mount, of course).

If you haven’t actually done boxing or MMA then it’s hard to really appreciate the difference between the two, so these statistics will probably be a lot more convincing:

“There has only been one death in the sport of MMA, in an event in Kiev, Ukraine in 1998, where American Douglas Dedge fought against doctor’s orders and despite a pre-existing medical condition that was frequently causing him to black out in training (US promoters were unwilling to let him compete with his condition).”

“At least 450 people worldwide have died of boxing-related injuries in the past 50 years, according to the online Journal of Combative Sport ? more than 130 of those in the United States. No official agency tracks boxing deaths or debilitating injuries.”

“Some studies say that boxers are more vulnerable to serious injuries than athletes in other sports. The American Association of Neurological Surgeons reports that 90 percent of boxers sustain a brain injury.”

http://www.hlrecord.org/media/storage/paper609/news/2005/04/21/Etc/Mixed.Martial.Arts.Goes.Mainstream-933541.shtml?norewrite200605182052&sourcedomain=www.hlrecord.org

http://apse.dallasnews.com/contest/2003/writing/over250/over250.project.third1.html

Sorry…that was a lot longer than I wanted it to be.

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[quote]BIGRAGOO wrote:
Skrom wrote:
Ghost22 wrote:
We will not see eye-to-eye on this.

That’s because you’re so stuck in your way of thinking that you can’t bring yourself to take off the blinders and look around. Try looking at some statistics…despite all the “barbaric” aspects of MMA, it is still a much safer sport than boxing. But if you want to get all emotional and ignore the facts, fine…continue living in your little bubble.

Ok, I’ll bite. How is MMA safer than boxing? Both are bloodsports that include nasty injuries, with MMA allowing a beating while one is down on the mat. I’m curious as to where you get this fact. I’m not against MMA, or any contact sport, especially boxing, but I just don’t see how getting the fuck beat out of you is safe in either sport.[/quote]

That’s easy. Two reasons:

1.There is no shame in submitting in MMA. What happens to guys who openly submit in boxing?

2.Refs in reputable MMA events are much quicker to stop fights.

Of course, you are absolutely right when you say neither sport is really all that safe.

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Great video.

On a side note, it is a known statistic that Pride FC is the safest contact sport in the world, with the fewest injuries and no deaths. Read: it is safer than boxing etc.

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[quote]Skrom wrote:

It sounds strange, but when you think about it, it makes perfect sense. Boxers wear well-padded gloves and punch each other in the head for however many rounds…that’s a lot of head trauma in a relatively short amount of time. Add to that the fact that when a boxer gets knocked down, he has the option to get back up and get knocked around some more. Because of the padding of the gloves, people don’t get knocked out as easily either, which means they can take a lot more head shots than a MMAist would.

In MMA the gloves don’t do much other than protect the hands of the wearer, so taking a good clean shot to the chin is enough to end a fight. Getting knocked out is not good for you either way, but getting KO’ed quickly is a lot healthier than getting KO’ed after taking over a hundred punches to the head. There is also no down count like there is in boxing…if it looks like one of the fighters isn’t defending himself intelligently, the ref just stops the fight right then and there. In addition, there’s the grappling aspect of it…fighters who are getting beat at stand-up will often take it to the ground to avoid damage. It doesn’t sound safe, but it’s actually surprisingly difficult to land clean blows on the ground unless you’re really good at it (or in the mount, of course).

If you haven’t actually done boxing or MMA then it’s hard to really appreciate the difference between the two, so these statistics will probably be a lot more convincing:

“There has only been one death in the sport of MMA, in an event in Kiev, Ukraine in 1998, where American Douglas Dedge fought against doctor’s orders and despite a pre-existing medical condition that was frequently causing him to black out in training (US promoters were unwilling to let him compete with his condition).”

“At least 450 people worldwide have died of boxing-related injuries in the past 50 years, according to the online Journal of Combative Sport ? more than 130 of those in the United States. No official agency tracks boxing deaths or debilitating injuries.”

“Some studies say that boxers are more vulnerable to serious injuries than athletes in other sports. The American Association of Neurological Surgeons reports that 90 percent of boxers sustain a brain injury.”

http://www.hlrecord.org/media/storage/paper609/news/2005/04/21/Etc/Mixed.Martial.Arts.Goes.Mainstream-933541.shtml?norewrite200605182052&sourcedomain=www.hlrecord.org

http://apse.dallasnews.com/contest/2003/writing/over250/over250.project.third1.html

Sorry…that was a lot longer than I wanted it to be.[/quote]

I understand the grappling part and wanting to bring the fight to the ground to stop an onslaught of fists to the face, but i’m curious as to how long MMA has been an official sport. Boxing has been around for centuries, and of course there are more deaths from it being that it has been around longer. But it boils down to getting your eyebrow, nose, or cheek busted isn’t safe no matter what is padded.

Though I have to say I love watching a good beating. Nothing like seeing someone ragdoll another in the ring.

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There is alot of yelling about sportsmanship in this thread. The MMA fighters I have met have been some of the most respectful and nicest people I have met. They may be complete animals in the ring because that is what the sport requires of them, but once the fight is over they are checking on their opponents and hugging. Hugging the guy you just kicked in the head, and him hugging you back seems to go against bad sportsmanship. These “dirty” techniques are not fouls and are only dirty in our western society raised on the mentality not to kick people when they are down. Their are bad apples, but most real MMA fans (not the drunk rednecks yelling for blood and a standup) do not enjoy these fighters antics. The definition of sportsmanship is conforming to the rules of the sport. I saw no fouls in the video, only good sportsmen.

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[quote]BIGRAGOO wrote:
Skrom wrote:
Ghost22 wrote:
We will not see eye-to-eye on this.

That’s because you’re so stuck in your way of thinking that you can’t bring yourself to take off the blinders and look around. Try looking at some statistics…despite all the “barbaric” aspects of MMA, it is still a much safer sport than boxing. But if you want to get all emotional and ignore the facts, fine…continue living in your little bubble.

Ok, I’ll bite. How is MMA safer than boxing? Both are bloodsports that include nasty injuries, with MMA allowing a beating while one is down on the mat. I’m curious as to where you get this fact. I’m not against MMA, or any contact sport, especially boxing, but I just don’t see how getting the fuck beat out of you is safe in either sport.[/quote]

I am pretty new to watching MMA but I have noticed the UFC stops fights a lot quicker than boxing.

A couple of decent head shots and they end it.

In boxing they let it go far longer.

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[quote]BIGRAGOO wrote:
I understand the grappling part and wanting to bring the fight to the ground to stop an onslaught of fists to the face, but i’m curious as to how long MMA has been an official sport. Boxing has been around for centuries, and of course there are more deaths from it being that it has been around longer. But it boils down to getting your eyebrow, nose, or cheek busted isn’t safe no matter what is padded.
[/quote]

That’s a good point, the UFC in particular has only been around since 1993 I believe, although MMA itself has existed a lot longer in other parts of the world (vale tudo, pankration, and to an extent, shoot boxing).

I don’t know the stats for pro boxing, but there are four or five deaths a year from amateur fights, and they wear headgear in the amateurs. That’s not taking into account brain damage, which I think is the most significant factor. Like you pointed out though, this isn’t really convincing evidence since there are a whole lot more boxing matches per year than there are MMA matches.

So basically, I guess I can’t prove it. I’ve seen a lot of fights and haven’t seen any real serious injuries, and I haven’t seen or heard anything about brain damage, but that’s about the extent of my argument. The reason I’m so convinced about it is because I know what it’s like to fight under both rulesets. You just don’t get punch drunk in MMA the way you do in boxing, and I assume that “punch drunk” translates to brain damage. So again, it’s not something I can prove, but that’s my experience with it.

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[quote]Skrom wrote:
BIGRAGOO wrote:
Ok, I’ll bite. How is MMA safer than boxing? Both are bloodsports that include nasty injuries, with MMA allowing a beating while one is down on the mat. I’m curious as to where you get this fact. I’m not against MMA, or any contact sport, especially boxing, but I just don’t see how getting the fuck beat out of you is safe in either sport.

It sounds strange, but when you think about it, it makes perfect sense. Boxers wear well-padded gloves and punch each other in the head for however many rounds…that’s a lot of head trauma in a relatively short amount of time. Add to that the fact that when a boxer gets knocked down, he has the option to get back up and get knocked around some more. Because of the padding of the gloves, people don’t get knocked out as easily either, which means they can take a lot more head shots than a MMAist would.

In MMA the gloves don’t do much other than protect the hands of the wearer, so taking a good clean shot to the chin is enough to end a fight. Getting knocked out is not good for you either way, but getting KO’ed quickly is a lot healthier than getting KO’ed after taking over a hundred punches to the head. There is also no down count like there is in boxing…if it looks like one of the fighters isn’t defending himself intelligently, the ref just stops the fight right then and there. In addition, there’s the grappling aspect of it…fighters who are getting beat at stand-up will often take it to the ground to avoid damage. It doesn’t sound safe, but it’s actually surprisingly difficult to land clean blows on the ground unless you’re really good at it (or in the mount, of course).

If you haven’t actually done boxing or MMA then it’s hard to really appreciate the difference between the two, so these statistics will probably be a lot more convincing:

“There has only been one death in the sport of MMA, in an event in Kiev, Ukraine in 1998, where American Douglas Dedge fought against doctor’s orders and despite a pre-existing medical condition that was frequently causing him to black out in training (US promoters were unwilling to let him compete with his condition).”

“At least 450 people worldwide have died of boxing-related injuries in the past 50 years, according to the online Journal of Combative Sport ? more than 130 of those in the United States. No official agency tracks boxing deaths or debilitating injuries.”

“Some studies say that boxers are more vulnerable to serious injuries than athletes in other sports. The American Association of Neurological Surgeons reports that 90 percent of boxers sustain a brain injury.”

http://www.hlrecord.org/media/storage/paper609/news/2005/04/21/Etc/Mixed.Martial.Arts.Goes.Mainstream-933541.shtml?norewrite200605182052&sourcedomain=www.hlrecord.org

http://apse.dallasnews.com/contest/2003/writing/over250/over250.project.third1.html

Sorry…that was a lot longer than I wanted it to be.[/quote]

everybody read the second paragraph twice outloud. boxing is much more dangerous than mma, yet there is not the hysteria surrounding boxing like mma. idiots.

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[quote]Skrom wrote:
That’s a good point, the UFC in particular has only been around since 1993 I believe, although MMA itself has existed a lot longer in other parts of the world (vale tudo, pankration, and to an extent, shoot boxing).

I don’t know the stats for pro boxing, but there are four or five deaths a year from amateur fights, and they wear headgear in the amateurs. That’s not taking into account brain damage, which I think is the most significant factor. Like you pointed out though, this isn’t really convincing evidence since there are a whole lot more boxing matches per year than there are MMA matches.

So basically, I guess I can’t prove it. I’ve seen a lot of fights and haven’t seen any real serious injuries, and I haven’t seen or heard anything about brain damage, but that’s about the extent of my argument. The reason I’m so convinced about it is because I know what it’s like to fight under both rulesets. You just don’t get punch drunk in MMA the way you do in boxing, and I assume that “punch drunk” translates to brain damage. So again, it’s not something I can prove, but that’s my experience with it.[/quote]

That’s my point. I foresee more injuries as this sport gains more popularity.

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"I need to watch things die… from a good safe distance
Vicariously I live while the whole world dies
You all feel the same, so…

Why can’t we just admit it?

We all feed on tragedy
It’s like blood to a vampire

Vicariously I live while the whole world dies
Much better you than I"

-TOOL

its like modern gladiators with a pg-13 rating