[quote]Bona wrote:
joe shumsky wrote:
to all those who responded constructively, thank you. as for the rest of you… you might want to check yourself.
I’m not trying to attack you, but I guess I still don’t see the reason for posting all that.
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He is picking a fight, and then playing victim.
Like Bonez said, strange. Like he is here looking for some validation of some kind.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Not really…unless you are implying that some of the biggest guys here were always bigger…which is bullshit. I graduated high school weighing around 150lbs at under 5’11". In fact, in Junior high, Urkle would have been considered “swole” next to me.
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Yup. I graduated High School at 6 foot and 135 lbs…
Ah, I think I understand now:
Want to look like brad pitt in fight club and squat 205 atg?
→ Yes, it is possible! WITH TBT!
Want to get past the beginner stage?
→ Do one of them ugly split routines
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Ah, I think I understand now:
Want to look like brad pitt in fight club and squat 205 atg?
→ Yes, it is possible! WITH TBT!
Want to get past the beginner stage?
→ Do one of them ugly split routines
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[quote]joe shumsky wrote:
again, calls for pics from someone with no pics. these are actually the first photos i’ve ever taken… i was in a rare mood this past friday night, what can i say? i’ll get the ball rolling and say that my chest is obviously lacking. i mean, i’m a small guy anyway, so, i’m sure many of you will think that everything is “obviously lacking”… but i mean, proportionately speaking. i was thinking of switching to a 2-way split, and even performed the first workout of it today…
but, honestly, i was in the gym twice as long and only worked half as much muscle. and, i know this is going to sound totally subjective and vague, but i didn’t feel like i did “enough” while i was there…
hopefully these feelings go away, though, as i’m planning to work my way toward a 6 day split, over the course of the next 10 months, and to document my progress, with photos, right here along the way. perhaps this little experiment will shed some sort of light on the seemingly endless training split debate. by the way, i’d planned on shaving up for these, but decided to watch the mentalist instead. [/quote]
First, why did one session for half your body take twice as long as a full body session? When I switched from full body to a 2-way split, the sessions were the same length-if not shorter-I just worked out more days during the week.
The idea is not to just randomly add volume. As you get stronger, it takes longer for any given part of your body to recover, thus full body workouts become impractical. Then, with more rest between sessions for a given body part, you notice that the old volume-one lift or whatever-doesn’t do the trick, so you methodically add volume or lifts to balance out the length of recovery time. You don’t necessarily go from one lift directly to three or four.
Which brings me to the fact that you’re working toward a 6-day split. If you mean splitting your body into 6 different sessions without repeating a given body part, why? There are MANY steps between full body and a 6-way split. Many of us lift that many days a week, but we use a 3-way split or something similar. Some, like Professor X, need that kind of split. Many of us never will.
If full body workouts are working for you right now, I very much doubt that you will need a 6-way split in just ten months. And if you’re making these changes just to prove some kind of point that won’t change anyone’s mind, why would you waste prime lifting years on something that likely wouldn’t be optimal for you.
[quote]leon79 wrote:
why would you waste prime lifting years on something that likely wouldn’t be optimal for you.[/quote]
He’s already wasted time. He has been on the site for four years and still has the development of someone just starting. His focus has apparently been more on his abs…which means he either doesn’t care that he wasted those years or he doesn’t even realize that his own development is lagging. After four years, I would expect for even people with “average” genetics to be big enough to look muscular in clothes. I seriously doubt anyone can tell this guy lifts if he wears a t-shirt aside from those sedentary freaks who think having an arm over 13" is “built”.
Like stated before, he is a good shape…but being ripped without the muscle mass is NOT a goal in bodybuilding.
We’ve said it many times before that many of these people seem to be confusing “fitness” with “bodybuilding”. I don’t understand why they are so turned around about this.
Having small arms and visible abs may impress 14 year old girls and possibly one author on this site. It does not make your goal in line with that of people who actually plan on standing out in a crowd whether fully dressed or not.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Like stated before, he is a good shape…but being ripped without the muscle mass is NOT a goal in bodybuilding.
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maybe they should put a “male figure” category in contests.
[quote]MEYMZ wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Like stated before, he is a good shape…but being ripped without the muscle mass is NOT a goal in bodybuilding.
maybe they should put a “male figure” category in contests.
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They have those. Theyre called “Natural” contests.
JUST KIDDING EVERYONE. CALM DOWN.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
MEYMZ wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Like stated before, he is a good shape…but being ripped without the muscle mass is NOT a goal in bodybuilding.
maybe they should put a “male figure” category in contests.
They have those. Theyre called “Natural” contests.
JUST KIDDING EVERYONE. CALM DOWN. [/quote]
Hahaha
There are “fitness”(read: skinny with abs) comps though…
Or at least I dimly recall reading about some.
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
MEYMZ wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Like stated before, he is a good shape…but being ripped without the muscle mass is NOT a goal in bodybuilding.
maybe they should put a “male figure” category in contests.
They have those. Theyre called “Natural” contests.
JUST KIDDING EVERYONE. CALM DOWN.
Hahaha
There are “fitness”(read: skinny with abs) comps though…
Or at least I dimly recall reading about some.
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Like the muscle mania shows ? Where they compete in basketball shorts ?
Can there be a vote to keep TBT out of the Body Building section?
TBT is great, but it has its place. My son performs TBT for baseball. He as developed a great “athletic body”, good strength and explosive power for his sport. It stops there. TBT should be labeled “for athletic purposes only”.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Like stated before, he is a good shape…but being ripped without the muscle mass is NOT a goal in bodybuilding.
We’ve said it many times before that many of these people seem to be confusing “fitness” with “bodybuilding”. I don’t understand why they are so turned around about this.
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The term ‘fitness’ is on the WORST FUCKING TERMS IN SPORTS list. In the top 3.
‘Fit’ for fucking what man?!
A ‘fat’ PL’er and or BB’er, who is getting new PR, and or more overall muscle is ‘fit’, as this guy who qualifies for the US Marines. Each camp is ‘fit’ for their own goals.
OP, your goals do not seem, to be really in line with the spirit of this forum. I am not sorry. It is what it is kid.
However if ‘TBT’ is keeping you in the gym, I guess it can’t be that bad…Still open your mind…I was ‘raised’ on an odd-system that is nowhere on the net. I don’t think it is optimal for BB’ing without ‘tweaking.’
‘TBT’ has worn out it’s usefulness, maybe? I don’t know. Are you wanting to look as close to Arnold or Ronnie as you can? Or do you think P-Diddy is swole?
My Uncle/Mentor is my fucking hero, but he didn’t have it all down. I took from him what was useful, and moved on…
PS to PX: I have read your posts before PX, and this not a dig or nothing on you.
I just hate the term ‘fitness’ and or ‘fit.’ To vague, drives me nucking futz. BTW ‘Strongman’ is horrible too ( Strongmen are cool though! ), isn’t every half-way-decent-and-beyond-weight-trainee a ‘strong man?’
Again, ‘fit for fucking what man?!’
[quote]joe shumsky wrote:
to all those who responded constructively, thank you. as for the rest of you… you might want to check yourself. to answer a few more questions: one of the main reasons i posted this was because i was, quite frankly, somewhat livid after reading the “my take on full body training” thread. i know this topic has been “discussed” time and time again here, but there seems to be so much hostility and disrespect whenever it’s brought up that it simply baffles me.
as i’d been doing my own version of full body training for the past two months, using mainly exercises of my own design, i guess the thread struck a chord with me. the reason i posted pics was simply because i knew someone (without any, of course) would proceed to tear me a new one and then demand them… so i just wanted to beat them to the punch. someone was inquiring about some of my lifting poundages earlier on in the thread (squat, bench, deadlift, and chin)… i’ll be the first to admit that i’m not the strongest guy in the world, obviously.
when i do squats, i do full squats (atg). i’ve done em’ with 205. i’ve squatted (half squatted) 250, but it was ugly as sin. i haven’t benched in awhile, although when i do bench, i use dumbbells and have gone as high as the 75s for reps. my deadlift, somewhat strangely, has always been relatively good in comparison to my squat. i’ve done 405. and, although i’m now much more concerned with muscle ups than chins, i’ve done 19 dead-stop chins for the marine corps pft. not that it matters, but i also ran 3 consecutive sub 6 minute miles during that same test.
you asked for some stats, there they are. i tipped the scales this morning at 137 and have never in my life weighed more than 150 (despite what or how much i eat). and this brings me to another reason i felt compelled to post: i understand this is a bodybuilding forum and all, but it seems like many here can’t seem to wrap their minds around the fact that not everyone is capable of reaching the same “absolute” goals in muscularity or lean-ness.
what i mean is, a guy who’s 6 feet tall and weighs 175 before he even starts lifting is, most likely, going to end up being bigger than a guy who’s 5’4" and can remember when he weighed 110. you follow me? and another thing, i believe it was professor x that asked a question about “abs” and “lean-ness” and why people would be so concerned about it on a bodybuilding forum… correct me if i’m wrong, but lean-ness is half of the bodybuilding holy grail, no?
some people have an easier time getting or staying lean while other people have an easier time getting or staying big. believe it or not, there are even people who have an almost impossible time of trying to achieve either… just like any other physical trait in the human population, muscularity and lean-ness occur across a bell curve. i’m not making this up… it’s science. look, we’re all here because we love training and enjoy discussing it (well, most of us.)
i love this site (check it every day) and i really wish that the forums conveyed the same sense of intelligence and class as the articles. that’s why i posted. so, to close, tomorrow the experiment will continue with day 2 of the two-day split. good evening.[/quote]
Dont worry about all the haters. None of them are ACTUAL bodybuilders, they just think its all about how much you weigh. You clearly have some muscularity and leaness, and if you wanted could probably pretty easily put on a bit more muscle and still remain pretty lean. Its up to you though and what you want to look like. I know if I was 5’4, I would not want to add too much muscle, because that wold make me look even shorter. Personally if I were you, i’d probably stick with TBT and eat like crazy and try to get to 150+, you’d be a beast at that weight.
And thanks for starting this thread. I think it shows many others that TBT CAN and does work very well for many people. All the “experienced” guys cried forever requesting to see a successful physique from TBT and you produced. Sure you may not be “HYUGE” but you have a pretty well balaned physique (I think you could use more forearms and delts) but pretty much the image im going for. So you really just re-afirmed my original feelings that all the guys whining against TBT dont know crap. They are just butt hurt because you have abs (which I dont think is a measure for complete success, but shouldn’t be avoided) and they look like theyve been hitting duncan donuts instead of the gym. Keep it up.
[quote]dankid wrote:
joe shumsky wrote:
to all those who responded constructively, thank you. as for the rest of you… you might want to check yourself. to answer a few more questions: one of the main reasons i posted this was because i was, quite frankly, somewhat livid after reading the “my take on full body training” thread. i know this topic has been “discussed” time and time again here, but there seems to be so much hostility and disrespect whenever it’s brought up that it simply baffles me.
as i’d been doing my own version of full body training for the past two months, using mainly exercises of my own design, i guess the thread struck a chord with me. the reason i posted pics was simply because i knew someone (without any, of course) would proceed to tear me a new one and then demand them… so i just wanted to beat them to the punch. someone was inquiring about some of my lifting poundages earlier on in the thread (squat, bench, deadlift, and chin)… i’ll be the first to admit that i’m not the strongest guy in the world, obviously.
when i do squats, i do full squats (atg). i’ve done em’ with 205. i’ve squatted (half squatted) 250, but it was ugly as sin. i haven’t benched in awhile, although when i do bench, i use dumbbells and have gone as high as the 75s for reps. my deadlift, somewhat strangely, has always been relatively good in comparison to my squat. i’ve done 405. and, although i’m now much more concerned with muscle ups than chins, i’ve done 19 dead-stop chins for the marine corps pft. not that it matters, but i also ran 3 consecutive sub 6 minute miles during that same test.
you asked for some stats, there they are. i tipped the scales this morning at 137 and have never in my life weighed more than 150 (despite what or how much i eat). and this brings me to another reason i felt compelled to post: i understand this is a bodybuilding forum and all, but it seems like many here can’t seem to wrap their minds around the fact that not everyone is capable of reaching the same “absolute” goals in muscularity or lean-ness.
what i mean is, a guy who’s 6 feet tall and weighs 175 before he even starts lifting is, most likely, going to end up being bigger than a guy who’s 5’4" and can remember when he weighed 110. you follow me? and another thing, i believe it was professor x that asked a question about “abs” and “lean-ness” and why people would be so concerned about it on a bodybuilding forum… correct me if i’m wrong, but lean-ness is half of the bodybuilding holy grail, no?
some people have an easier time getting or staying lean while other people have an easier time getting or staying big. believe it or not, there are even people who have an almost impossible time of trying to achieve either… just like any other physical trait in the human population, muscularity and lean-ness occur across a bell curve. i’m not making this up… it’s science. look, we’re all here because we love training and enjoy discussing it (well, most of us.)
i love this site (check it every day) and i really wish that the forums conveyed the same sense of intelligence and class as the articles. that’s why i posted. so, to close, tomorrow the experiment will continue with day 2 of the two-day split. good evening.
Dont worry about all the haters. None of them are ACTUAL bodybuilders, they just think its all about how much you weigh. You clearly have some muscularity and leaness, and if you wanted could probably pretty easily put on a bit more muscle and still remain pretty lean. Its up to you though and what you want to look like. I know if I was 5’4, I would not want to add too much muscle, because that wold make me look even shorter. Personally if I were you, i’d probably stick with TBT and eat like crazy and try to get to 150+, you’d be a beast at that weight.
And thanks for starting this thread. I think it shows many others that TBT CAN and does work very well for many people. All the “experienced” guys cried forever requesting to see a successful physique from TBT and you produced. Sure you may not be “HYUGE” but you have a pretty well balaned physique (I think you could use more forearms and delts) but pretty much the image im going for. So you really just re-afirmed my original feelings that all the guys whining against TBT dont know crap. They are just butt hurt because you have abs (which I dont think is a measure for complete success, but shouldn’t be avoided) and they look like theyve been hitting duncan donuts instead of the gym. Keep it up.
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This is a bodybuilding forum you deluded tool. This guy isn’t big enough to win a figure contest even if you strapped a pair of silicone tits and a two piece on him.
EDIT
A good way to tell if you have suceeded or not is if you are being supported by dankid.
lol…
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
This is a bodybuilding forum you deluded tool. This guy isn’t big enough to win a figure contest even if you strapped a pair of silicone tits and a two piece on him.
EDIT
A good way to tell if you have suceeded or not is if you are being supported by dankid. [/quote]
hahahahaha, nice edit.
[quote]WS4JB wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
MEYMZ wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Like stated before, he is a good shape…but being ripped without the muscle mass is NOT a goal in bodybuilding.
maybe they should put a “male figure” category in contests.
They have those. Theyre called “Natural” contests.
JUST KIDDING EVERYONE. CALM DOWN.
Hahaha
There are “fitness”(read: skinny with abs) comps though…
Or at least I dimly recall reading about some.
Like the muscle mania shows ? Where they compete in basketball shorts ? [/quote]
… and fireman outfits.
[quote]dankid wrote:
joe shumsky wrote:
to all those who responded constructively, thank you. as for the rest of you… you might want to check yourself. to answer a few more questions: one of the main reasons i posted this was because i was, quite frankly, somewhat livid after reading the “my take on full body training” thread. i know this topic has been “discussed” time and time again here, but there seems to be so much hostility and disrespect whenever it’s brought up that it simply baffles me.
as i’d been doing my own version of full body training for the past two months, using mainly exercises of my own design, i guess the thread struck a chord with me. the reason i posted pics was simply because i knew someone (without any, of course) would proceed to tear me a new one and then demand them… so i just wanted to beat them to the punch. someone was inquiring about some of my lifting poundages earlier on in the thread (squat, bench, deadlift, and chin)… i’ll be the first to admit that i’m not the strongest guy in the world, obviously.
when i do squats, i do full squats (atg). i’ve done em’ with 205. i’ve squatted (half squatted) 250, but it was ugly as sin. i haven’t benched in awhile, although when i do bench, i use dumbbells and have gone as high as the 75s for reps. my deadlift, somewhat strangely, has always been relatively good in comparison to my squat. i’ve done 405. and, although i’m now much more concerned with muscle ups than chins, i’ve done 19 dead-stop chins for the marine corps pft. not that it matters, but i also ran 3 consecutive sub 6 minute miles during that same test.
you asked for some stats, there they are. i tipped the scales this morning at 137 and have never in my life weighed more than 150 (despite what or how much i eat). and this brings me to another reason i felt compelled to post: i understand this is a bodybuilding forum and all, but it seems like many here can’t seem to wrap their minds around the fact that not everyone is capable of reaching the same “absolute” goals in muscularity or lean-ness.
what i mean is, a guy who’s 6 feet tall and weighs 175 before he even starts lifting is, most likely, going to end up being bigger than a guy who’s 5’4" and can remember when he weighed 110. you follow me? and another thing, i believe it was professor x that asked a question about “abs” and “lean-ness” and why people would be so concerned about it on a bodybuilding forum… correct me if i’m wrong, but lean-ness is half of the bodybuilding holy grail, no?
some people have an easier time getting or staying lean while other people have an easier time getting or staying big. believe it or not, there are even people who have an almost impossible time of trying to achieve either… just like any other physical trait in the human population, muscularity and lean-ness occur across a bell curve. i’m not making this up… it’s science. look, we’re all here because we love training and enjoy discussing it (well, most of us.)
i love this site (check it every day) and i really wish that the forums conveyed the same sense of intelligence and class as the articles. that’s why i posted. so, to close, tomorrow the experiment will continue with day 2 of the two-day split. good evening.
Dont worry about all the haters. None of them are ACTUAL bodybuilders, they just think its all about how much you weigh. You clearly have some muscularity and leaness, and if you wanted could probably pretty easily put on a bit more muscle and still remain pretty lean. Its up to you though and what you want to look like. I know if I was 5’4, I would not want to add too much muscle, because that wold make me look even shorter. Personally if I were you, i’d probably stick with TBT and eat like crazy and try to get to 150+, you’d be a beast at that weight.
And thanks for starting this thread. I think it shows many others that TBT CAN and does work very well for many people. All the “experienced” guys cried forever requesting to see a successful physique from TBT and you produced. Sure you may not be “HYUGE” but you have a pretty well balaned physique (I think you could use more forearms and delts) but pretty much the image im going for. So you really just re-afirmed my original feelings that all the guys whining against TBT dont know crap. They are just butt hurt because you have abs (which I dont think is a measure for complete success, but shouldn’t be avoided) and they look like theyve been hitting duncan donuts instead of the gym. Keep it up.
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This guy should be banned. What a douche. Looking malnourished for the sake of sporting abs is not a worthwhile goal. Period. Please, stop encouraging failure. It will boost his self-esteem in the short run, but will be tougher on him when he realizes that he has wasted a lot of time and achieved nothing as a result of his ignorance and delusion.
[quote]HBSBound wrote:
This guy should be banned. What a douche. Looking malnourished for the sake of sporting abs is not a worthwhile goal. Period. Please, stop encouraging failure. It will boost his self-esteem in the short run, but will be tougher on him when he realizes that he has wasted a lost of time and achieved nothing as a result of his ignorance and delusion.[/quote]
The guy is happy with his training and his physique and has no intention of trying to look fat so he can get a hi-five from the bros on this site, and be a “bodybuilder”. Just because the professional bodybuilding world is laden with drugs and amazingly huge physiques does not mean that everyone should try to look like this. Im not sure when bodybuilding became synonymous with being huge. And sorry but to say he has achieved nothing is absolutely wrong. And to say he’s been wasting his time is completely wrong. His physique is better than a lot of the ones ive seen posted by the “experts” that are commenting in this thread, so that just goes to show how stupid these arguments are. As the people with the loudest most obnoxious voices are the ones that supposedly know the most. LOL!
dankid, I can’t believe I am saying this but you are starting to rival infamous Nominal Prospect here as far as trollness goes. In fact, I would definitely take his training advice over yours.