Full Body Training Doesn't Work?

Joe you look PRETTY DAMN GOOD to me. Nice work!

EDIT: If this were a thread “Splits dont work?” I think all of these guys comments would be completely different.

But I agree that 2 months of something isn’t enough to really make any comparisons. And we would need to see your before pictures. Also, I highly doubt that you have “average genetics at best”. You certainly look to have more muscle than the average “ecto” and you are much leaner than the average person.

So with only two months of training Full body, and the way you are looking now, Id say you are pretty gifted, and could probably make good gains on just about any program.

Enjoy it if you are already happy with how you are looking, otherwise set your goals higher and go for it.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
countingbeans wrote:
joe shumsky wrote:
to answer a few of the questions: no these are the AFTERS.

My bad, I thought you were going to post other pics based on your first post & the thread title.

I am much more interested in why guys lately are so proud simply because their abs are showing. I am not knocking this guy’s efforts or even his goals…but it surprises me that so many seem to log into either the bodybuilding forum or rate My Physique thinking being ripped is all there is to this…as if the big muscles that take years to build are an after thought. [/quote]

I’ve got a bunch of theories, but I think it all comes down to achievablity, and lack of a desire to excel at anything because it takes effort.

I see it at the office all the time too…

(Shit, this Flu is making me leaner faster than I ever dreamed, I might keep going until January. But I doubt it.)

Well, in this case I highly recommend everyone tries out my new “sit around and do nothing” training protocol. As proof of it’s effectiveness, I’ve attached a picture of myself from before I ever started lifting weights.

If you want a slick physique like that, just stick to the “do nothing” plan, but like any training program… you have to go BALLS TO THE WALL for it to be effective:

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/3659/ballstothewall.gif

[quote]mr popular wrote:
Well, in this case I highly recommend everyone tries out my new “sit around and do nothing” training protocol. As proof of it’s effectiveness, I’ve attached a picture of myself from before I ever started lifting weights.

If you want a slick physique like that, just stick to the “do nothing” plan, but like any training program… you have to go BALLS TO THE WALL for it to be effective:

List of Bodybuilding Achievements:

Abs? Check.

Looks like we’re done here.

Total body training doesn’t work for anyone. It makes beginners lose muscle faster than a cancer patient.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
mr popular wrote:
Well, in this case I highly recommend everyone tries out my new “sit around and do nothing” training protocol. As proof of it’s effectiveness, I’ve attached a picture of myself from before I ever started lifting weights.

If you want a slick physique like that, just stick to the “do nothing” plan, but like any training program… you have to go BALLS TO THE WALL for it to be effective:

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/3659/ballstothewall.gif

List of Bodybuilding Achievements:

Abs? Check.

Looks like we’re done here.
[/quote]

Why are we here? Maybe we should’ve asked for tips long ago. SHIT, if I new before the secret were abs…

[quote]MEYMZ wrote:
Professor X wrote:
mr popular wrote:
Well, in this case I highly recommend everyone tries out my new “sit around and do nothing” training protocol. As proof of it’s effectiveness, I’ve attached a picture of myself from before I ever started lifting weights.

If you want a slick physique like that, just stick to the “do nothing” plan, but like any training program… you have to go BALLS TO THE WALL for it to be effective:

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/3659/ballstothewall.gif

List of Bodybuilding Achievements:

Abs? Check.

Looks like we’re done here.

Why are we here? Maybe we should’ve asked for tips long ago. SHIT, if I new before the secret were abs…[/quote]

Should’ve been listening to Shugart all this time…

Your left tricep is decent.

The fact that you can see the elbow bone and the one next to it on the inside means you are not ‘bodybuilding’ correctly. Breastplate exposure is not enviable either.

I’m still confused about the takeaway from this thread. You have been - I’m assuming - training for 4 years now (unless it took you 4 years to see the benefits of training)and this is what you’ve achieved. The apparent intention of this thread is to convince us non-believers that TBT provides more value than other systems.

I guess the relevant information to obtain would be: what you were doing before, the baseline that you’re coming from (before pictures would suffice), and what were your goals (it seems that you’re interested in getting a gig with A&F or AX). Please provide the aforementioned information so that we can properly evaluate the relative merits of your argument.

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
So…you joined this site 4 years ago and you still look like this? I’m not sure what you want us to say…congrats?[/quote]

LMAO

I’m convinced.

[quote]That One Guy wrote:
…If this were an essay, you’d receive bad marks on it because you failed to include your thesis statement.[/quote]

LOL

You look like tom petty with abs.

to all those who responded constructively, thank you. as for the rest of you… you might want to check yourself. to answer a few more questions: one of the main reasons i posted this was because i was, quite frankly, somewhat livid after reading the “my take on full body training” thread. i know this topic has been “discussed” time and time again here, but there seems to be so much hostility and disrespect whenever it’s brought up that it simply baffles me.

as i’d been doing my own version of full body training for the past two months, using mainly exercises of my own design, i guess the thread struck a chord with me. the reason i posted pics was simply because i knew someone (without any, of course) would proceed to tear me a new one and then demand them… so i just wanted to beat them to the punch. someone was inquiring about some of my lifting poundages earlier on in the thread (squat, bench, deadlift, and chin)… i’ll be the first to admit that i’m not the strongest guy in the world, obviously.

when i do squats, i do full squats (atg). i’ve done em’ with 205. i’ve squatted (half squatted) 250, but it was ugly as sin. i haven’t benched in awhile, although when i do bench, i use dumbbells and have gone as high as the 75s for reps. my deadlift, somewhat strangely, has always been relatively good in comparison to my squat. i’ve done 405. and, although i’m now much more concerned with muscle ups than chins, i’ve done 19 dead-stop chins for the marine corps pft. not that it matters, but i also ran 3 consecutive sub 6 minute miles during that same test.

you asked for some stats, there they are. i tipped the scales this morning at 137 and have never in my life weighed more than 150 (despite what or how much i eat). and this brings me to another reason i felt compelled to post: i understand this is a bodybuilding forum and all, but it seems like many here can’t seem to wrap their minds around the fact that not everyone is capable of reaching the same “absolute” goals in muscularity or lean-ness.

what i mean is, a guy who’s 6 feet tall and weighs 175 before he even starts lifting is, most likely, going to end up being bigger than a guy who’s 5’4" and can remember when he weighed 110. you follow me? and another thing, i believe it was professor x that asked a question about “abs” and “lean-ness” and why people would be so concerned about it on a bodybuilding forum… correct me if i’m wrong, but lean-ness is half of the bodybuilding holy grail, no?

some people have an easier time getting or staying lean while other people have an easier time getting or staying big. believe it or not, there are even people who have an almost impossible time of trying to achieve either… just like any other physical trait in the human population, muscularity and lean-ness occur across a bell curve. i’m not making this up… it’s science. look, we’re all here because we love training and enjoy discussing it (well, most of us.)

i love this site (check it every day) and i really wish that the forums conveyed the same sense of intelligence and class as the articles. that’s why i posted. so, to close, tomorrow the experiment will continue with day 2 of the two-day split. good evening.

What a strange thread/individual.

[quote]joe shumsky wrote:
to all those who responded constructively, thank you. as for the rest of you… you might want to check yourself. to answer a few more questions: one of the main reasons i posted this was because i was, quite frankly, somewhat livid after reading the “my take on full body training” thread. i know this topic has been “discussed” time and time again here, but there seems to be so much hostility and disrespect whenever it’s brought up that it simply baffles me. as i’d been doing my own version of full body training for the past two months, using mainly exercises of my own design, i guess the thread struck a chord with me. the reason i posted pics was simply because i knew someone (without any, of course) would proceed to tear me a new one and then demand them… so i just wanted to beat them to the punch. someone was inquiring about some of my lifting poundages earlier on in the thread (squat, bench, deadlift, and chin)… i’ll be the first to admit that i’m not the strongest guy in the world, obviously. when i do squats, i do full squats (atg). i’ve done em’ with 205. i’ve squatted (half squatted) 250, but it was ugly as sin. i haven’t benched in awhile, although when i do bench, i use dumbbells and have gone as high as the 75s for reps. my deadlift, somewhat strangely, has always been relatively good in comparison to my squat. i’ve done 405. and, although i’m now much more concerned with muscle ups than chins, i’ve done 19 dead-stop chins for the marine corps pft. not that it matters, but i also ran 3 consecutive sub 6 minute miles during that same test. you asked for some stats, there they are. i tipped the scales this morning at 137 and have never in my life weighed more than 150 (despite what or how much i eat). and this brings me to another reason i felt compelled to post: i understand this is a bodybuilding forum and all, but it seems like many here can’t seem to wrap their minds around the fact that not everyone is capable of reaching the same “absolute” goals in muscularity or lean-ness. what i mean is, a guy who’s 6 feet tall and weighs 175 before he even starts lifting is, most likely, going to end up being bigger than a guy who’s 5’4" and can remember when he weighed 110. you follow me? and another thing, i believe it was professor x that asked a question about “abs” and “lean-ness” and why people would be so concerned about it on a bodybuilding forum… correct me if i’m wrong, but lean-ness is half of the bodybuilding holy grail, no? some people have an easier time getting or staying lean while other people have an easier time getting or staying big. believe it or not, there are even people who have an almost impossible time of trying to achieve either… just like any other physical trait in the human population, muscularity and lean-ness occur across a bell curve. i’m not making this up… it’s science. look, we’re all here because we love training and enjoy discussing it (well, most of us.) i love this site (check it every day) and i really wish that the forums conveyed the same sense of intelligence and class as the articles. that’s why i posted. so, to close, tomorrow the experiment will continue with day 2 of the two-day split. good evening.[/quote]

Holy wall of text!! I did skim through some of that.

What I don’t understand is why you are trying to justify this TBT to us. You have only been doing some self-doctored up routine you made for two months. That’s hardly enough time to show any real progress, let alone convince people that TBT is awesome (although I’m sure we all know TBT does have it uses).

No offense, but people who come to this section of the forums don’t set goals to look like you. That may sound harsh, but we are more concerned with building muscles before trying to lean up.

You also mentioned that not everyone is capable of reaching the absolute goals of musculature, but that doesn’t mean that people should give up or be forced to settle with being lean at a lower LBM than they desire.

People who are big got big because they fucking pushed themselves when they didn’t want to or didn’t thing they could anymore. Of course it’s uncomfortable not being >10% fat at all times, but it might just be something you have to put up with if you really want something bad enough.

I’m not trying to attack you, but I guess I still don’t see the reason for posting all that.

[quote]joe shumsky wrote:
what i mean is, a guy who’s 6 feet tall and weighs 175 before he even starts lifting is, most likely, going to end up being bigger than a guy who’s 5’4" and can remember when he weighed 110. you follow me? [/quote]

Not really…unless you are implying that some of the biggest guys here were always bigger…which is bullshit. I graduated high school weighing around 150lbs at under 5’11". In fact, in Junior high, Urkle would have been considered “swole” next to me.

[quote]

and another thing, i believe it was professor x that asked a question about “abs” and “lean-ness” and why people would be so concerned about it on a bodybuilding forum… correct me if i’m wrong, but lean-ness is half of the bodybuilding holy grail, no? [/quote]

Uh, yeah, the half that you obsess about AFTER THE FUCKING MUSCLE MASS IS BUILT. Until then, you keep gaining while trying to avoid letting body fat get out of control.

People who approach this like you RARELY ever get much bigger because you have made your body fat percentage your greatest concern.

That is NOT the goal of a bodybuilder. You are very lean. You are NOT very muscular. When do you plan on working on that other even more important half of that Grail you mentioned?

[quote]joe shumsky wrote:
to all those who responded constructively, thank you. as for the rest of you… you might want to check yourself. to answer a few more questions: one of the main reasons i posted this was because i was, quite frankly, somewhat livid after reading the “my take on full body training” thread. i know this topic has been “discussed” time and time again here, but there seems to be so much hostility and disrespect whenever it’s brought up that it simply baffles me. as i’d been doing my own version of full body training for the past two months, using mainly exercises of my own design, i guess the thread struck a chord with me. the reason i posted pics was simply because i knew someone (without any, of course) would proceed to tear me a new one and then demand them… so i just wanted to beat them to the punch. someone was inquiring about some of my lifting poundages earlier on in the thread (squat, bench, deadlift, and chin)… i’ll be the first to admit that i’m not the strongest guy in the world, obviously. when i do squats, i do full squats (atg). i’ve done em’ with 205. i’ve squatted (half squatted) 250, but it was ugly as sin. i haven’t benched in awhile, although when i do bench, i use dumbbells and have gone as high as the 75s for reps. my deadlift, somewhat strangely, has always been relatively good in comparison to my squat. i’ve done 405. and, although i’m now much more concerned with muscle ups than chins, i’ve done 19 dead-stop chins for the marine corps pft. not that it matters, but i also ran 3 consecutive sub 6 minute miles during that same test. you asked for some stats, there they are. i tipped the scales this morning at 137 and have never in my life weighed more than 150 (despite what or how much i eat). and this brings me to another reason i felt compelled to post: i understand this is a bodybuilding forum and all, but it seems like many here can’t seem to wrap their minds around the fact that not everyone is capable of reaching the same “absolute” goals in muscularity or lean-ness. what i mean is, a guy who’s 6 feet tall and weighs 175 before he even starts lifting is, most likely, going to end up being bigger than a guy who’s 5’4" and can remember when he weighed 110. you follow me? and another thing, i believe it was professor x that asked a question about “abs” and “lean-ness” and why people would be so concerned about it on a bodybuilding forum… correct me if i’m wrong, but lean-ness is half of the bodybuilding holy grail, no? some people have an easier time getting or staying lean while other people have an easier time getting or staying big. believe it or not, there are even people who have an almost impossible time of trying to achieve either… just like any other physical trait in the human population, muscularity and lean-ness occur across a bell curve. i’m not making this up… it’s science. look, we’re all here because we love training and enjoy discussing it (well, most of us.) i love this site (check it every day) and i really wish that the forums conveyed the same sense of intelligence and class as the articles. that’s why i posted. so, to close, tomorrow the experiment will continue with day 2 of the two-day split. good evening.[/quote]

Kerouac would be proud. The rest of us, however, think you should be a bit more humble and read/eat/train a ton more before posting your self-justifying excuses and try to use non-existent science to support ridiculous claims.

[quote]joe shumsky wrote:
to all those who responded constructively, thank you. as for the rest of you… you might want to check yourself. to answer a few more questions: one of the main reasons i posted this was because i was, quite frankly, somewhat livid after reading the “my take on full body training” thread. i know this topic has been “discussed” time and time again here, but there seems to be so much hostility and disrespect whenever it’s brought up that it simply baffles me. as i’d been doing my own version of full body training for the past two months, using mainly exercises of my own design, i guess the thread struck a chord with me. the reason i posted pics was simply because i knew someone (without any, of course) would proceed to tear me a new one and then demand them… so i just wanted to beat them to the punch. someone was inquiring about some of my lifting poundages earlier on in the thread (squat, bench, deadlift, and chin)… i’ll be the first to admit that i’m not the strongest guy in the world, obviously. when i do squats, i do full squats (atg). i’ve done em’ with 205. i’ve squatted (half squatted) 250, but it was ugly as sin. i haven’t benched in awhile, although when i do bench, i use dumbbells and have gone as high as the 75s for reps. my deadlift, somewhat strangely, has always been relatively good in comparison to my squat. i’ve done 405. and, although i’m now much more concerned with muscle ups than chins, i’ve done 19 dead-stop chins for the marine corps pft. not that it matters, but i also ran 3 consecutive sub 6 minute miles during that same test. you asked for some stats, there they are. i tipped the scales this morning at 137 and have never in my life weighed more than 150 (despite what or how much i eat). and this brings me to another reason i felt compelled to post: i understand this is a bodybuilding forum and all, but it seems like many here can’t seem to wrap their minds around the fact that not everyone is capable of reaching the same “absolute” goals in muscularity or lean-ness. what i mean is, a guy who’s 6 feet tall and weighs 175 before he even starts lifting is, most likely, going to end up being bigger than a guy who’s 5’4" and can remember when he weighed 110. you follow me? and another thing, i believe it was professor x that asked a question about “abs” and “lean-ness” and why people would be so concerned about it on a bodybuilding forum… correct me if i’m wrong, but lean-ness is half of the bodybuilding holy grail, no? some people have an easier time getting or staying lean while other people have an easier time getting or staying big. believe it or not, there are even people who have an almost impossible time of trying to achieve either… just like any other physical trait in the human population, muscularity and lean-ness occur across a bell curve. i’m not making this up… it’s science. look, we’re all here because we love training and enjoy discussing it (well, most of us.) i love this site (check it every day) and i really wish that the forums conveyed the same sense of intelligence and class as the articles. that’s why i posted. so, to close, tomorrow the experiment will continue with day 2 of the two-day split. good evening.[/quote]

ouch, wall of text in the face

Why du find it surprising that on a BODYBUILDING forum, everyone expects people to be interested in BODYBUILDING, rather than being a menshealth cover model

I dont get why its hard to understand that, does the powerlifting or strongman forums get this crap?

[quote]joe shumsky wrote:
to all those who responded constructively, thank you. as for the rest of you… you might want to check yourself. to answer a few more questions: one of the main reasons i posted this was because i was, quite frankly, somewhat livid after reading the “my take on full body training” thread. i know this topic has been “discussed” time and time again here, but there seems to be so much hostility and disrespect whenever it’s brought up that it simply baffles me. as i’d been doing my own version of full body training for the past two months, using mainly exercises of my own design, i guess the thread struck a chord with me. the reason i posted pics was simply because i knew someone (without any, of course) would proceed to tear me a new one and then demand them… so i just wanted to beat them to the punch. someone was inquiring about some of my lifting poundages earlier on in the thread (squat, bench, deadlift, and chin)… i’ll be the first to admit that i’m not the strongest guy in the world, obviously. when i do squats, i do full squats (atg). i’ve done em’ with 205. i’ve squatted (half squatted) 250, but it was ugly as sin. i haven’t benched in awhile, although when i do bench, i use dumbbells and have gone as high as the 75s for reps. my deadlift, somewhat strangely, has always been relatively good in comparison to my squat. i’ve done 405. and, although i’m now much more concerned with muscle ups than chins, i’ve done 19 dead-stop chins for the marine corps pft. not that it matters, but i also ran 3 consecutive sub 6 minute miles during that same test. you asked for some stats, there they are. i tipped the scales this morning at 137 and have never in my life weighed more than 150 (despite what or how much i eat). and this brings me to another reason i felt compelled to post: i understand this is a bodybuilding forum and all, but it seems like many here can’t seem to wrap their minds around the fact that not everyone is capable of reaching the same “absolute” goals in muscularity or lean-ness. what i mean is, a guy who’s 6 feet tall and weighs 175 before he even starts lifting is, most likely, going to end up being bigger than a guy who’s 5’4" and can remember when he weighed 110. you follow me? and another thing, i believe it was professor x that asked a question about “abs” and “lean-ness” and why people would be so concerned about it on a bodybuilding forum… correct me if i’m wrong, but lean-ness is half of the bodybuilding holy grail, no? some people have an easier time getting or staying lean while other people have an easier time getting or staying big. believe it or not, there are even people who have an almost impossible time of trying to achieve either… just like any other physical trait in the human population, muscularity and lean-ness occur across a bell curve. i’m not making this up… it’s science. look, we’re all here because we love training and enjoy discussing it (well, most of us.) i love this site (check it every day) and i really wish that the forums conveyed the same sense of intelligence and class as the articles. that’s why i posted. so, to close, tomorrow the experiment will continue with day 2 of the two-day split. good evening.[/quote]

Joe, I will give you points for your physique and athletic accomplishments, BUT, this forum is all about increasing the size of your muscles PERIOD. So what you have accomplished is not bad, wrong, or a waste of time, it is just not the goal of the majority of the other BB forum members.

I, like you, finding it easier to be leaner than bigger, will have to tell you that to grow larger, Prof X and everyone else that tells you to eat more than you want to, are telling you the truth.If your goal is to look muscular while in clothes, make eating more of a priority and get as strong as possible in the basics.