[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:
I like Casey Butts and I cannot lie,
You other bodybuilders can’t deny.[/quote]
…my ANACONDA tm don’t want none
unless she’s got cinnamon buns, hun.
[quote]Thy. wrote:
There’s no point in arguing really. It’s understandable that people are always blinded by their own success to see other’s disadvantages. They automatically assume that another person doesn’t work as hard, doesn’t put as much of an effort. Perfectly basic human nature.
It’s not relevant to the weight training either. Every person is either good at something or not. If he’s not, no amount of practice will put him on the level of the person that’s good at it from the start.
For example, when I started at my university, I was really good at the main subject. It came naturally to me and many people were really bad at it. I laughed at them and thought “why the hell would they take this profession”. But as I grew a little older I realised : they practice much harder than me, they really try, it’s just that this is not their domain.
So don’t make automatic conclusions about me because I write this. You don’t know me and don’t know how I train[/quote] You all say that. [quote]. I really put my best in this thing.[/quote] I don’t doubt that you believe so… [quote] I think about it all the time[/quote] Like about every other beginner who is not yet getting anywhere. Stop doing that… It doesn’t help you get any bigger… You’ll just end up second-guessing yourself all the time. Focus on school or uni or whatever you’re doing now, the important things… Training is fairly simple… You can think about it for about 45 minutes or so per day, up to 6 days a week… While you’re lifting. Much more than that and you’re going to do yourself a disfavor in most cases…[quote] (even to the point where I think it’s not right, I’ve got to think about actual life more). I deadlift till I’m barely conscious. [/quote] What’s that going to do other than overtax your system? [quote]I try to eat a lot, but once I do that, my weak stomach doesn’t take it[/quote] How about a little photo-diary of what you’re eating this week… [quote]. I go throw out and it’s fucked up for several days and I eat even less than before. No, this muscle-building thing is not for me. My body is giving me every signal it got about this. But I try…
[/quote] Do you have some sort of digestive-tract condition? Or are there other reasons for this… I do know someone with such an issue, used to post/perhaps still posts on this very forum. I don’t see him use that as an excuse though… He gets things done to the best of his abilities.[quote]
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You’re going through (for the most part) the same situation almost all beginners these days eventually do… Whatever you want to believe, we’ve seen this a thousand times. There is no helping you until you finally free yourself of your current mindset and beliefs, reset your diet and training etc… Or eventually lose interest in training… Or become one of those guys who show up at the gym like clockwork but look largely the same 10 years after they started.
It’s also very nice of you to assume that all this came easily to us. How can you possibly put such things into perspective? Ever trained next to a Pro and seen him go from smaller than you to Olympia candidate in the space it took you to gain 30 pounds? Ever seen someone in a wheelchair train his ass off despite his troubles, or someone fight cancer and still training?
Someone may have no natural affinity for mathematics whatsoever, but can still train him/herself to a respectable skill level, IF he/she HAS THE DRIVE (and some basic intelligence) and actually tries to get the job done, rather than sleeping 3 hours a day at most, eating crap, partying all night, every night and only studying for a few hours the day before the next test and then complaining how he’s just not made for mathematics because his head isn’t as big as that of the guy who’s always getting A’s.
(Even if this guy were studying every day… It wouldn’t work unless he cleared up his other issues.)
And now post your exact diet, routine, lifts… Sleep patterns? Drinking? Etc.
And don’t lie. That’s not going to help you.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
countingbeans wrote:
joe shumsky wrote:
to answer a few of the questions: no these are the AFTERS.
My bad, I thought you were going to post other pics based on your first post & the thread title.
I am much more interested in why guys lately are so proud simply because their abs are showing. I am not knocking this guy’s efforts or even his goals…but it surprises me that so many seem to log into either the bodybuilding forum or rate My Physique thinking being ripped is all there is to this…as if the big muscles that take years to build are an after thought. [/quote]
I think it is based on the state of the general population. I would be a hell of a long way from winning any body building competitions (nor is that my goal.) But people are comenting on how much bigger I have got and asking if I am using steroids all the time.
When I walk into most gyms I am one of the bigger guys there (compared to a number of guys on here I am tiny I know) but it depends what your comparison point is.
[quote]Thy. wrote:
its_just_me wrote:
My definition of someone who’s below average genetics is simply someone who has been underweight most of his pre-training life (despite eating a pretty “average diet” or maybe more). Some would argue that this is purely a metabolism issue though.
Someone who has to work up from 70lbs benching is not exactly what I would call average genetics.
The average person is not underweight. At average height (if I could even say that), the average weight probably ranges from 150lbs - 180lbs…more numbers I pulled out my arse…but it’s probably close enough.
I maintained only 130lbs at 6 feet tall before training (underweight). Not much muscle/strength to start with.
Not making up excuses (there is huge potential for these ones), but for someone to turn around and say that below average genetics don’t exist (just bad training) is pretty undermining.
That’s what I’m saying too. There are people that don’t start at a disadvantage and the road to high results is light years easier for them.
A friend of mine entered the gym at 90 kg 20 years old, 5"7’ tall, a bit chubby. He easily benched 50 kg 4x10 the first day of his training. 5 months later, his bench max is 130 kg. Diet is traditional “home” diet of high cheap carbs and some protein, 3-4 times a day. No supplements. That’s above average genetics.[/quote]
No it just means he has a slower metabolism and the “typical home cooking diet” was appropriate for him. It says nothing about his genetics. You have no idea what would have happened if he came from a household that served smaller portions. The advantage he does have is that he has found the amount of calories necessary for growth, even if he did it by accident or pure luck.
Maybe if you found out how many calories you needed to grow before you started lifting weights and ATE that for your pubescant years your body would have primed for a growth spurt like your friend experienced.
And your examples of ‘dramatic’ strength increases dont mean shit for bodybuilding. If he wasn’t stressing his pecs while bench pressing, who cares what the number is? Raw numbers don’t matter at all when making comparisons. The only thing that matters is if each individual is capable of getting stronger. Someone who is genetically incapable of getting even the slightest bit stronger is someone who is at a biological disadvantage.
Cephalic_Carnage, that’s not necessary, because this topic is not about me. But thanks for trying to help.
Though to answer your question : yes, I have GI tract problems. Always had. Throughout 12-16 y.o. period I had taken tons of medications and antibiotics. Once I had my liver almost stop functioning and they did like 50 shots to my stomach.
It all settled down after 16, but I still can’t eat a lot without throwing out and consequent discomforts. My girlfriend that weighs 50-52 kg can almost outeat me. But I usually eat no less than 0.5-0.7 kg of meat daily (carbs are harder for me - protein is better)
[quote]Thy. wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage, that’s not necessary, because this topic is not about me. But thanks for trying to help.
Though to answer your question : yes, I have GI tract problems. Always had. Throughout 12-16 y.o. period I had taken tons of medications and antibiotics. Once I had my liver almost stop functioning and they did like 50 shots to my stomach.
[/quote] Sad to hear that… I hope you’ll eventually recover fully! [quote]
It all settled down after 16, but I still can’t eat a lot without throwing out and consequent discomforts. My girlfriend that weighs 50-52 kg can almost outeat me. But I usually eat no less than 0.5-0.7 kg of meat daily (carbs are harder for me - protein is better) [/quote] What about a mostly fat/protein based diet then? Say, the AD or so?[quote]
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Well, if there are actual medical reasons then fine.
However, how did you end up posting in this thread then and all the stuff about how bones won’t adapt to training etc?
Your issue obviously does not lie with your joints or general genetics as they affect muscle-building, but with simple inability to consume the right amounts of food due to your G.I. tract trouble… Though perhaps you’ll find a way to overcome that issue…
[quote]its_just_me wrote:
mojo_ wrote:
its_just_me wrote:
In my experience, when training splits didn’t work for me, it was because I wasn’t developed enough to use them. The stimulus (load) was far to little to merit the rest days for splits (e.g. 3 way). I was recovering, overcompensating, then going back to what I was before by the time training for a muscle group came around again.
In my opinion, people who still have a lot of strength gains to make (and so their recovery is fast), or people who don’t make their training intense, need more frequent muscle group training so that their muscles don’t return to homoeostasis.
Obviously, if we’re talking about advanced lifters using a specialised full body routine (where fatigue is managed)…the above statements don’t apply.
This man knows what he’s talking about.
It’s counter productive for a new lifter to wait a whole 7 days to directly work a lift that hes trying to get stronger on again = bigger. Most guys will REGRESS during such a long period between performing the same lift again and struggle to add weight or reps to progress from workout to workout. I know for a fact when I started lifting, the weights I was using and the intensity I was generating pretty much never needed more than 48 hours to recover from, waiting any longer is just wasting time.
I think the advice of bodypart 3x a week as a begginer then backing off to say 2x a week as the weights get heavier and you are using more intensity, therefore probably need more recovery time, is pretty solid advice.
Thank you! Good to know I’m not just speaking out my arse 
Eastern European sports scientists calculated the average recovery times here -
Training Load of 1 Workout / Restoration Time (in hours)
Extreme —> >72
Large —> 48-72
Substantial —>24-48
Medium —> 12-24
Small —> 12
Note to Prof X: Sorry - I did get that one out a book
So as a begginner, the training load is a lot less than that of an advanced lifter (due to learning intensity and motor development etc)…and so, less recovery days are required. Some begginners can put in more intensity and adapt quicker than others, this just means that their recovery days will have to increase quicker (or maybe even straight away if they have a good mentor…e.g. like Antares had LOL).
I think Prof x was trying to say there is no argument over split vs full body…just frequency. I guess someone new COULD train using a split that trains their muscle groups 3 x per week, but maybe it’s not all that practical. I don’t see the problem with begginers doing a small selection of lower body (maybe even just one exercise) mixed with about twice as many upper body exercises all in one workout (which means only having to go to the gym 3x / week). A begginer who does it right (even with just the compound movements) will not be at this stage for long (at least not long enough to create serious imbalances…e.g. forearms, bi’s/tri’s, ham’s); just a matter of months.
The reason why I said concentrate only on the main compound movements was to emphasise the fundamentals - the importance of learning the basic lifting skills and making sure that one focuses on putting more pounds on the bar (rather than thinking that a “magical routine” will make one bigger). A begginer doesn’t need complication…they need focus (something which is far easier to do with just 3-5 exercises per workout). As has already been mentioned, routines evolve. Better to have a FOUNDATION to evolve from than a complicated, tweaked routine that COULD cause distraction / lack of focus…something that an “inexperienced person” often falls prey to. A beginner needs to learn how their body responds, and put on decent amounts of mass etc. before worrying TOO much about specialising body parts.[/quote]
I think you have inadvertantly hit on the correct solution to the argument here. FBW or splits is not really a question that needs to be answered, just structure your training so that you are hitting each muscle enough times with enough overload per week. You might find it more practical to do that with FBW or with Splits, whichever it is, go with that.
For me I use full body workouts because I can only get weights in 3 times per week because of my other training. were I training weights 6 days per week it would probably make sense to split things up a bit. This would definitely be my approach were I looking to be Hyoooge like some of the guys here.
[quote]Thy. wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage, that’s not necessary, because this topic is not about me. But thanks for trying to help.
Though to answer your question : yes, I have GI tract problems. Always had. Throughout 12-16 y.o. period I had taken tons of medications and antibiotics. Once I had my liver almost stop functioning and they did like 50 shots to my stomach.
It all settled down after 16, but I still can’t eat a lot without throwing out and consequent discomforts. My girlfriend that weighs 50-52 kg can almost outeat me. But I usually eat no less than 0.5-0.7 kg of meat daily (carbs are harder for me - protein is better)
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I’ve always found a cream/protein shake (with water) is always easy on my stomach - sounds crazy but it works! LOL. I eat moderate carbs on the day before my workout (to aid strength, and to decrease the negative impacts of the low carb days etc.), and then, on the inbetween days I eat the higher calories (via cream and whey). Worth a try?
Looking at some of the posts (some don’t say who it’s aimed at), I hope I’m not being lumped into an “underachiever category” who’s making up excuses (e.g. Butt formula…)?
I don’t know about anyone else on here, but I sure as hell am not going to stop trying to get bigger now that I’m at/near my estimated size…becoming huge is my passion - why would a formula that estimates my potential stop me from trying to prove it wrong??? I’m not going to all of a sudden sit back and think, “oh well, that’s me done now, I reached it!” LOL
That formula doesn’t in the slightest make me feel content with not being huge, neither does it make me despair and give up trying…I will keep going…
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Thy. wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage, that’s not necessary, because this topic is not about me. But thanks for trying to help.
Though to answer your question : yes, I have GI tract problems. Always had. Throughout 12-16 y.o. period I had taken tons of medications and antibiotics. Once I had my liver almost stop functioning and they did like 50 shots to my stomach.
Sad to hear that… I hope you’ll eventually recover fully!
It all settled down after 16, but I still can’t eat a lot without throwing out and consequent discomforts. My girlfriend that weighs 50-52 kg can almost outeat me. But I usually eat no less than 0.5-0.7 kg of meat daily (carbs are harder for me - protein is better) What about a mostly fat/protein based diet then? Say, the AD or so?
Well, if there are actual medical reasons then fine.
However, how did you end up posting in this thread then and all the stuff about how bones won’t adapt to training etc?
Your issue obviously does not lie with your joints or general genetics as they affect muscle-building, but with simple inability to consume the right amounts of food due to your G.I. tract trouble… Though perhaps you’ll find a way to overcome that issue…
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Well, doesn’t matter. I still believe in what I said about joints and potential for strength/size (especially strength - it’s a fact that they looked for kids with thick joints regardless of weight class when they scouted for potential Olympic lifters in schools of USSR) despite my main issue being different.
[quote]its_just_me wrote:
Haha, I remember talking about wrist measurements and “hardgainerness” this time last year. Then C_C stepped in LOL.
Here’s an quote from one of the muscle prediction websites:
“although these formulae present lofty, but realistic, goals for most drug-free trainees, they are not meant to represent “limitations”. I’m not saying that no one can surpass that…”
Note to C_C - Could you critique this article: [/quote] You really meant to say:
“Please C_C, I want YOU to use up YOUR time and convince me (and find pictures as proof, because you’ve got nothing better to do and I’m a visual learner and all) that I can achieve something in training and get bigger than what some calculator says!”
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www.weightrainer.net/potential.html
Especially the bits where it says about the results comparing to the top champions (natural bodybuilders)…in other words, if these formulas were totally bogus, then that means that any who surpass them would beat the current champions?[/quote] Sure. You could potentially end up bigger and stronger than many of them. You just won’t look as good in competition due to muscle-shape and co… Or maybe you can hold way more muscle than them at 10 percent bf… But you simply cannot keep it while dieting down because your hormone levels crash? [quote] Not trying to trip you up or anything, just interested to see your perspective on the matter
E.g.
“…you also must realize that in the process of surpassing these predictions you are also surpassing the development of drug-free world champions. Very few people will have the genetic gifts to accomplish that. What the formulae give you is the lean body mass and full-body measurements that you’d need to achieve to be on an equal footing, size-wise, with current drug-free champions and the greats of the drug-free era.”
I think these formulas are a bit more up to date than the usual ones.
My 2 cents:
I don’t mean to sound negative but I think it would be EXTREMELY unusual to find a NATURAL guy with 6"-7" wrists who has 18"+ upper arms (lean - 8-10%) [/quote] with 7 inch wrists? Totally possible. [quote]- if so, I’d love to see some pictures. This is usually found in “assisted” individuals - thin(ish) forearms with very large upper arms[/quote] Your forearm size depends on factors such as your muscle-belly lenghts, strength etc… [quote]. Obviously, the forearms are still big though…just not in proportion to the upper arms (unless maybe the individual puts special emphasis on his forearm training?).
Even Reg Park with his good genetics only just got past 18" on his arms. I don’t know what his wrist measurements were, but assuming that since his neck was 18" lean acording to that artical (a lot larger than people with small wrists), he probably had 7"+ wrists.[/quote]
Dude, I already made a huge post on reg park, citing his training program, diet etc FROM HIS OWN WEBSITE.
Park, Reeves and co used absolutely ridiculous routines (not at all the 4-5 exercise full body stuff many here claim they used), their diets were mostly crap (esp. park’s, very low protein, mostly carbs and nothing else)… These guys had ridiculously good genetics to be able to get to their level DESPITE the shit they did and ate. Nowadays, a natural park/reeves could likely get much bigger, stronger and more balanced simply by using a sensible routine and diet.
So these guys never even came close to their potential… How could they?
Heck, take even someone on steroids (Arnold… Though I don’t know whether he was on early or not)… Guy made great progress while his routine was still sensible (no idea about his diet, eating almost no fat is not something I’d do for optimal hormone balance etc… Way too little protein, too)… Then he just kept adding unnecessary crap and made VIRTUALLY ZERO progress from 22 onwards or whenever that happened, steroids be damned. Does that mean that I can’t end up weighing more than Arnold, or putting up bigger numbers than him, simply because I don’t have his grand genetics and started out with 6 inch wrists instead of 7, ultimately reaching 7+ inch wrists over the course of my training career while he reached, I dunno, 8?
It’s nice to have a formula that predicts that, using Reg Park’s wrist measurement from when he was DB benching 140’s for 5x5 etc, he would end up where he did at that time in terms of muscularity. WOW!
Apparently no one cares what his wrist measurement was at the beginning of his training career, of course your wrists grow to some degree when you go from using the 35’s to using the 140’s!
Now, today’s natty champions get MUCH leaner and infinitely drier than yesteryear’s Reg Park and co.
How can you compare such measurements and thus use them for such a calculator?
Obviously their hormone levels are going to suffer during prep and they are going to end up losing muscle.
The super-leanness/dryness was the worst thing to happen to natural bodybuilding imo… And many try to stay lean year-round (either because they’re like many here and are terribly afraid of not being able to see every ab, or…) as, while you can hold way more muscle weighing a soft 270 than a hard 200, you will lose plenty of that when dieting down as a natty… And hey, who says many of these guys even train right? I see plenty of flex-magazine stuff going on there, little focus on training their way up to big numbers…
Several relying simply on muscle-shape to do the job…
Secondly, many of these guys are short as hell. 5’7 man who weighs 160 or whatever in contest shape with super-duper muscle-bellies is obviously going to weigh… 160… And he’s not going to have 20 inch guns, or big joints… Can’t, he wouldn’t look as good with big joints and would thus not be a top natural pro, plus he’s fucking short and thus smaller all-over anyway.
Does that mean I can’t get my arms to 19, 20 or beyond when standing 5’10 tall, but also having small wrists at the beginning? Is my strength just going to tank at the 65 lb DB’s and 315 on the PL close-grip bench or what? Bullshit!
Have a look at onemorerep if he still posts/find his hub… He was like 159 or so and looked, while obviously not huge, very much like a bodybuilder. Had nice arm shape etc… 5’7 tall I believe. Hardly large wrists… Legs lagging some, so the upper body got a bit more of his weight.
Other guys with virtually the same beginning stats look nothing like him at the same end bf percentage, weight, wrist size etc… No matter what some calculator says. Yet they may well be able to surpass him in size and strength… But he’d still be more “pleasing to the eye” if you will.
It’s not that the biggest natties win the contests (or compete at all… If you don’t have the muscle-shape, you’re not going to do well in most cases… Why bother? Why not compete in powerlifting instead or just ignore bbing, as there is no money in it unless you’re standing on the Oly stage and getting plenty of supp company contracts?) today…
So pretending like the current stats (which may improve in time, though that is also conveniently ignored) of some 5’6 top natty competitor represent some kind of limit to the rest of the world is idiotic.
I also totally love the exact arm etc measurements. Again, it is simply assumed that the guys used in the calculator had somehow reached their limit in arm size. Really? Apart from the things mentioned above, what if I actually specialize in tri training for a while, training them 2-3 times a week and training the rest of my body at maintenance level once a week or whatever, rather than trying to do everything at once like Reg Park and co. were so fond of, even once they had reached size and strength levels where doing that is no longer going to produce worthwile results.
If I’ve reached 16.5 or 17 inches in arm size, and Butt’s calculator tells me that that’s the limit, yet I’m all biceps and no triceps (like most here)… Is it simply going to be impossible for me to bring my tri numbers up on DSE’s and In-Human presses or PL CGP, board/pin presses and so on to a point where my tris grow so much that I now have 19 inch arms? Is the universe going to tell me “nope, you reached the limit, your strength simply won’t improve anymore EVER, sorry. And if it does, size will, as if by magic, no longer follow, despite eating more. No variation in training, no amount of specialization is going to help” ?
Anyway… We’ve been through all of this crap before, several times… I’m too tired to list the other 200 arguments.
[quote]Thy. wrote:
Well, doesn’t matter. I still believe in what I said about joints and potential for strength/size (especially strength - it’s a fact that they looked for kids with thick joints regardless of weight class when they scouted for potential Olympic lifters in schools of USSR) despite my main issue being different.
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As I said… I may not ever be able to crack Stan Efferding’s 270lb class elite total, but I can still become very, very strong… Maybe even match one of his big 3 lifts, or at least come close.
To the point that it SIMPLY MAKES NO DIFFERENCE IF ALL I CARE ABOUT IS TO BE “fairly big”. And if you have nice muscle-bellies etc, you often don’t have to be super-strong to look fairly big… So who cares about 10 inch wrists?
You have a disadvantage in powerlifting if you have fairly small joints etc… But it doesn’t mean you can’t still get crazy strong (just not compared to top powerlifters… Wow, big deal). Same as bodybuilding. I can get big, but even with steroids I won’t weigh 292 in contest condition like Ronnie did at some point. Ok, does that mean I won’t ever get past 200 lbs?
Less typing, more eating and training. Replace 20 minutes of T-Nation with the busting ass and a post workout shake and see how you feel in a few months.
If you have problems with your body and eating a lot of food, tell the doctors how bad it is. Insist they try something better because it’s making your life hell. I’m certain all animals eat a LOT of food for their weight. We shouldnt be any different, if you cant out-eat your skinny girlfriend there is something wrong. Get to a medical professional.
The first 2 months of me eating a lot more food made me feel like, bloated, painful, great cases of swamp ass, gas. I consider myself normal. I’ve had to endure, and change parts of what I eat to assist this - mainly indigestion etc. You need to push yourself consisantly to adjust in my experience.
Note: I work with someone who’s in a similar to you… the other day, he slipped and had a mini-hernia. It was fucked up. He pushed it back in and just said “happens sometimes, the doctors do nothing apart from push it back in and rest. If I spent all day worrying about all the stuff that might happen if I eat the wrong thing, or lift something to heavy, I’d more boring than you are!” Then he ate a quarter pounder. Theres no excuse to make excuses cause you feel a bit sick!
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Thy. wrote:
Well, doesn’t matter. I still believe in what I said about joints and potential for strength/size (especially strength - it’s a fact that they looked for kids with thick joints regardless of weight class when they scouted for potential Olympic lifters in schools of USSR) despite my main issue being different.
As I said… I may not ever be able to crack Stan Efferding’s 270lb class elite total, but I can still become very, very strong… Maybe even match one of his big 3 lifts, or at least come close.
To the point that it SIMPLY MAKES NO DIFFERENCE IF ALL I CARE ABOUT IS TO BE “fairly big”. And if you have nice muscle-bellies etc, you often don’t have to be super-strong to look fairly big… So who cares about 10 inch wrists?
You have a disadvantage in powerlifting if you have fairly small joints etc… But it doesn’t mean you can’t still get crazy strong (just not compared to top powerlifters… Wow, big deal). Same as bodybuilding. I can get big, but even with steroids I won’t weigh 292 in contest condition like Ronnie did at some point. Ok, does that mean I won’t ever get past 200 lbs?
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Just to be clear that I’m not a pussy : despite tons of issues (I also have scoliosis as a limiting factor, but you don’t want to hear another depressing story), I still put many “regular” guys to shame in the gym. My top bench is 105 kg at 65 kg bw. This was achieved by pure effort and consistency (3 years of training) on super low carb and total undereating, small joints, no supplements. I see tons of big/healthy guys that can’t bench as much and/or look like shit. Of course I’m not anywhere near the level of dedicated lifters with good diet, but I try to play with the cards I’m given…
[quote]Thy. wrote:
Just to be clear that I’m not a pussy : despite tons of issues (I also have scoliosis as a limiting factor, but you don’t want to hear another depressing story), I still put many “regular” guys to shame in the gym. My top bench is 105 kg at 65 kg bw. This was achieved by pure effort and consistency (3 years of training) on super low carb and total undereating, small joints, no supplements. I see tons of big/healthy guys that can’t bench as much and/or look like shit. Of course I’m not anywhere near the level of dedicated lifters with good diet, but I try to play with the cards I’m given…
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Yeah, well, and if you could eat well enough you’d probably be 90-95Kg or more by now, benching 140 or even 160… Once again, joints and co are not the issue… Provided that you’re not lying about your G.I. tract problem, then you really do have a big disadvantage that most others do not have. But that’s really all that seems to be separating you from the rest of the “less than pro genetics” crowd…
I’m still at a loss as to why you believe that one’s wrists/bones/tendons etc will not adapt to weight-training demands over time… If even medicine acknowledges this (or begins to, anyway).
Not saying that lifting weights is going to make my bones longer, but they will certainly become more resilient etc.
How does scoliosis affect your benching? If its a non-straight spine, and the weight is on your shoulder blades on a flat bench? Just wondering…
[quote]Ben_VFR85 wrote:
How does scoliosis affect your benching? If its a non-straight spine, and the weight is on your shoulder blades on a flat bench? Just wondering…[/quote]
Probably meant the other exercises, or at least that’s what I’m guessing. Squats etc…
[quote]Ben_VFR85 wrote:
How does scoliosis affect your benching? If its a non-straight spine, and the weight is on your shoulder blades on a flat bench? Just wondering…[/quote]
The non-straight spine makes every muscle it holds in “curved” position assymetric both in hypertrophy and neural effectiveness. Shoulder levels are uneven when benching. But of course msot of the problems come from lower body exercises. One spinal erector is almost inactive when deadlifting, oblique as well. (140 kg is my limit). In squats, massive instability/shaking, uneven load distribution. Knee overload on one side. Many other issues. Although visually it’s hardly visible. (thank god)
[quote]Thy. wrote:
Ben_VFR85 wrote:
How does scoliosis affect your benching? If its a non-straight spine, and the weight is on your shoulder blades on a flat bench? Just wondering…
The non-straight spine makes every muscle it holds in “curved” position assymetric both in hypertrophy and neural effectiveness. Shoulder levels are uneven when benching. But of course msot of the problems come from lower body exercises. One spinal erector is almost inactive when deadlifting, oblique as well. (140 kg is my limit). In squats, massive instability/shaking, uneven load distribution. Knee overload on one side. Many other issues. Although visually it’s hardly visible. (thank god)[/quote]
I dimly recall reading about some Powerlifter with that condition, and others as well. Might be worth your time to read up on them, if only I could remember the names…
LOL I started doing full body my first year. I remember telling other guys in the gym bigger then me “Yeah I’m doing full body routines this and that”. I look back and I was a fuckin’ idiot. Of course I didn’t know better cause I got so much shit about TBT this or that is needed for beginners as soon as I logged onto some sites. Oh boy, did I eat all that shit up.
My goal is to get as big as my genetics will allow while remaining aesthetic. TBT will not accomplish this, especially not in the long run. So all you fan boys should just keep hush hush after entering a “BODYBUILDING TRAINING” forum.