[quote]Carlitosway wrote:
LOL I started doing full body my first year. I remember telling other guys in the gym bigger then me “Yeah I’m doing full body routines this and that”. I look back and I was a fuckin’ idiot. Of course I didn’t know better cause I got so much shit about TBT this or that is needed for beginners as soon as I logged onto some sites. Oh boy, did I eat all that shit up.
My goal is to get as big as my genetics will allow while remaining aesthetic. TBT will not accomplish this, especially not in the long run. So all you fan boys should just keep hush hush after entering a “BODYBUILDING TRAINING” forum. [/quote]
I also remember doing the same LOL
Although there are quite a few mistakes people make with full body training. One thing, it’s only really suitable for a small amount of people. Also, the problem I had when full body training at the start (I do splits now), was not the training in itself, but the fact that I did not eat enough for the amount of work that I was doing (full body workouts are VERY metabolically demanding)…AND…I stayed on it for FAR too long. Beyond the point of gaining AT LEAST 2% to my lifts EACH lifting session, there was no point in carrying on with full body training.
Thank you so much for spending the time on that Butt’s article! I was a bit sceptical about whether you’d have much of a comeback on it, but what you said was very helpful - I didn’t even think of half the things you said…it would have taken me years to find that out for myself LOL Very thorough too…
You know what, behind that modest profile of yours, lies a huge German guy who’s always willing to help!
Maybe you should make a notepad file of all the replies (e.g. to Butt’s formulas) and then you can just do a copy and paste job LOL.
[quote]Thy. wrote:
The non-straight spine makes every muscle it holds in “curved” position assymetric both in hypertrophy and neural effectiveness. Shoulder levels are uneven when benching. But of course msot of the problems come from lower body exercises. One spinal erector is almost inactive when deadlifting, oblique as well. (140 kg is my limit). In squats, massive instability/shaking, uneven load distribution. Knee overload on one side. Many other issues. Although visually it’s hardly visible. (thank god)[/quote]
Wow, eating difficulties, curved spine etc? I think that you would definitely know what the definition of bad luck is! Were you born premature or something?
Better watch out when crossing the road…you may get knocked over by a bike, then, as you hit your head off a rock, fall into a random pit full of mouse traps, then get a truck load of burning tar poured on you…
…and you’d probably still survive…and then proceed to go to the destination you were heading for (i.e. the gym)
[quote]Thy. wrote:
Ben_VFR85 wrote:
How does scoliosis affect your benching? If its a non-straight spine, and the weight is on your shoulder blades on a flat bench? Just wondering…
The non-straight spine makes every muscle it holds in “curved” position assymetric both in hypertrophy and neural effectiveness. Shoulder levels are uneven when benching. But of course msot of the problems come from lower body exercises. One spinal erector is almost inactive when deadlifting, oblique as well. (140 kg is my limit). In squats, massive instability/shaking, uneven load distribution. Knee overload on one side. Many other issues. Although visually it’s hardly visible. (thank god)[/quote]
Just got confused that you said that, then said you put regular guys to shame on the bench. Try some stretching, posture and mobility work to help and really focus on form. A lot of people have small things wrong with their structure that they dont even realise. Your spine might be real serious, but I’m sure you can work around it.
[quote]its_just_me wrote:
Thy. wrote:
The non-straight spine makes every muscle it holds in “curved” position assymetric both in hypertrophy and neural effectiveness. Shoulder levels are uneven when benching. But of course msot of the problems come from lower body exercises. One spinal erector is almost inactive when deadlifting, oblique as well. (140 kg is my limit). In squats, massive instability/shaking, uneven load distribution. Knee overload on one side. Many other issues. Although visually it’s hardly visible. (thank god)
Wow, eating difficulties, curved spine etc? I think that you would definitely know what the definition of bad luck is! Were you born premature or something?
Better watch out when crossing the road…you may get knocked over by a bike, then, as you hit your head off a rock, fall into a random pit full of mouse traps, then get a truck load of burning tar poured on you…
…and you’d probably still survive…and then proceed to go to the destination you were heading for (i.e. the gym)
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lol it’s not that bad really
I eat what I want, it’s just not enough to grow
Girls and regular people (strangers and not) think I have a perfect physique (once you have lean “athletic” look especially in the upper body, you can get away with little actual size, so leaness and shape of the muscles are what’s important for them) but obviously I know the truth.
Funny thing, some people even told me I have “wide shoulders” although I have super narrow frame - just because I’ve grown some defined delts and traps.
What bothers me more is that I can’t put up strength numbers faster and can’t deadlift/squat/clean safer and more stable, not so much about size. (although I’d want even another 10-15 kg as much as anything)
[quote]Thy. wrote:
What bothers me more is that I can’t put up strength numbers faster…
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Have you tried a lower volume approach to get stronger? Maybe one or two max sets on each exercise for example? Especially since you aren’t eating much, you shouldn’t be doing too many sets/exercises.
Then, when you want more hypertrophy, you could eat more and do higher volume…
Forgot to say too, you need to increase carbs (minimum of about 400g / day - depending on bodyweight) to get stronger. I just remembered in one of your other posts you said you was on a ketogetic diet. At least alternate the higher carb/low carb days…it makes a HUGE difference compared to little/zero carbs long term.
[quote]Producer wrote:
Total body training doesn’t work for anyone. It makes beginners lose muscle faster than a cancer patient.[/quote]
It worked for me man. I was skinny-fat 130 lbs three years ago, and I started TBT for a few months and my base strength shot up. I don’t have the exact numbers I’m sorry. Today I’m 200-218 and every few months I go on TBT program to spice up my base strength.
All I’m saying is at the very least, beginners and intermediates can benefit from TBT.
And definitely people who dont work out in the first place.
[quote]akram.mohamed wrote:
Producer wrote:
Total body training doesn’t work for anyone. It makes beginners lose muscle faster than a cancer patient.
It worked for me man. I was skinny-fat 130 lbs three years ago, and I started TBT for a few months and my base strength shot up. I don’t have the exact numbers I’m sorry. Today I’m 200-218 and every few months I go on TBT program to spice up my base strength.
All I’m saying is at the very least, beginners and intermediates can benefit from TBT.
And definitely people who dont work out in the first place.
Actually, all I’m saying is stop generalizing.[/quote]
[quote]That One Guy wrote:
akram.mohamed wrote:
Producer wrote:
Total body training doesn’t work for anyone. It makes beginners lose muscle faster than a cancer patient.
It worked for me man. I was skinny-fat 130 lbs three years ago, and I started TBT for a few months and my base strength shot up. I don’t have the exact numbers I’m sorry. Today I’m 200-218 and every few months I go on TBT program to spice up my base strength.
All I’m saying is at the very least, beginners and intermediates can benefit from TBT.
And definitely people who dont work out in the first place.
Actually, all I’m saying is stop generalizing.
He was being sarcastic. [/quote]
I dont think he was lol.
And I think at the VERY MOST some beginners and intermediates can benefit from a carefully designed full body routine for a very limited amount of time.
[quote]akram.mohamed wrote:
Producer wrote:
Total body training doesn’t work for anyone. It makes beginners lose muscle faster than a cancer patient.
It worked for me man. I was skinny-fat 130 lbs three years ago, and I started TBT for a few months and my base strength shot up. I don’t have the exact numbers I’m sorry. Today I’m 200-218 and every few months I go on TBT program to spice up my base strength.
All I’m saying is at the very least, beginners and intermediates can benefit from TBT.
And definitely people who dont work out in the first place.
Actually, all I’m saying is stop generalizing.[/quote]
Ya, but you pretty much shot yourself in the foot for starting with TBT. We all know that ALL big guys and pro bodybuilders started with splits from day 1, because TBT sucks for size. Sure, you got medioce results using TBT, but if you would have started with a split, you’d be 250+, your guns would be at least 2" bigger and you’d be <6% BF. All the evidence points to this.
[quote]dankid wrote:
akram.mohamed wrote:
Producer wrote:
Total body training doesn’t work for anyone. It makes beginners lose muscle faster than a cancer patient.
It worked for me man. I was skinny-fat 130 lbs three years ago, and I started TBT for a few months and my base strength shot up. I don’t have the exact numbers I’m sorry. Today I’m 200-218 and every few months I go on TBT program to spice up my base strength.
All I’m saying is at the very least, beginners and intermediates can benefit from TBT.
And definitely people who dont work out in the first place.
Actually, all I’m saying is stop generalizing.
Ya, but you pretty much shot yourself in the foot for starting with TBT. We all know that ALL big guys and pro bodybuilders started with splits from day 1, because TBT sucks for size. Sure, you got medioce results using TBT, but if you would have started with a split, you’d be 250+, your guns would be at least 2" bigger and you’d be <6% BF. All the evidence points to this. [/quote]
My guns aren’t two inches bigger because I don’t do enough dips, presses, and curls.
I don’t weigh 250 because I don’t eat enough proper food.
And my bf is over 6 percent because I do infact eat crap sometimes.
[quote]dankid wrote:
Ya, but you pretty much shot yourself in the foot for starting with TBT. We all know that ALL big guys and pro bodybuilders started with splits from day 1, because TBT sucks for size. Sure, you got medioce results using TBT, but if you would have started with a split, you’d be 250+, your guns would be at least 2" bigger and you’d be <6% BF. All the evidence points to this. [/quote]
Oh dude. If you he being sarcastic, then I’m sorry for calling him an assclown. They don’t have sarcasm in Egypt so I’m not that good at picking it up.
[quote]akram.mohamed wrote:
Oh dude. If you he being sarcastic, then I’m sorry for calling him an assclown. They don’t have sarcasm in Egypt so I’m not that good at picking it up.
=P
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Well, I guess our cultural takeaway for the day is that while they have assclowns in Egypt, they don’t do sarcasm. I’m so much closer to becoming culturally sensitive when picking up senseless debates in the internets.
[quote]akram.mohamed wrote:
Oh dude. If you he being sarcastic, then I’m sorry for calling him an assclown. They don’t have sarcasm in Egypt so I’m not that good at picking it up.
=P
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No dude he is an assclown through and through.
I was impressed at your vision and intuitive response.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
akram.mohamed wrote:
Oh dude. If you he being sarcastic, then I’m sorry for calling him an assclown. They don’t have sarcasm in Egypt so I’m not that good at picking it up.
=P
No dude he is an assclown through and through.
I was impressed at your vision and intuitive response.[/quote]
My guns aren’t two inches bigger because I don’t do enough dips, presses, and curls.
I don’t weigh 250 because I don’t eat enough proper food.
And my bf is over 6 percent because I do infact eat crap sometimes.
Cite your evidence please.
Assclown.[/quote]
Sorry I thought the sarcasm would be obvious, but wasn’t aware of the cultural differences. I was being very sacrcastic and mocking all the guys that know for a fact (sarcasm) that TBT is inferior to splits. Nice work.
Total body programs never worked worth a crap for me. Great for fat loss, bad for mass. There is no way to get enough volume for each muscle group. Not for me, anyway.
And most of the BIG guys I’ve talked to about training say the same.
Volume aside, only the first couple of exercises are done at optimal performance. Either some body parts are going to get short-changed, or you have to rotate different parts to the front of the workout every time. And if you’re going to do that, why not just do a damn split?
