Full Body 3x Week

[quote]carlthescorp wrote:
Ah, the ever-delightful TBT vs full body split debate. I have been able to make significant gains using a TBT, 3X a week training schedule. I have been able to put on 30 lbs of lean muscle mass using this type of training methodology. And these gains were not attributable to being a “newb”.

When people make such blanket statements as calling TBT users pseudo-athletes that are mediocre at many things and good at nothing, it shows marred thinking patterns. Using compound lifts has, in my experience, facilitated a great stimulus for muscle growth. I train intensely throughout the session, and leave the gym knowing I’ve put forth a great effort every time.

I can certainly squat 3X a week, but I recover quickly and this is aided by a sound diet, good sleeping habits, and appropriate supplementation. When people take on this “us vs them” attitude, they blind themselves to other views and ways of thinking that could prove beneficial.

I’m not just regurgitating things I have seen online or heard others say, I am speaking from empiricism and didactic knowledge obtained in academia. This “pseudo-athlete” viewpoint of using different elements of training is actually an extremely good practice as you learn the more positive aspects of different ways to train. Suddenly, plateaus are overcome when you approach them from a different vantage point.

This is not to say that TBT is the end all be all of training, rather that to argue against it so vehemently is not only pointless, but incorrect. I am not against any training methodology in an of itself, but I will extract the more positive aspects or things that I could see myself applying to ways that I train to incorporate them and learn.

I actually plan on using a split body routine staring in January and look forward to continuing to add on pounds.

Also, when I’m getting super pumped in the curl rack and I wear my posing suit I made from rubber bands, everyone stares at me in awe… I must be doing something right huh?
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The “pseudo-athlete” label is attached because there are not very many examples of anyone using TBT and actually becoming HUGE yet tons of people acting like they plan to be some all around “barely good enough at anything” type of person who can somehow look big, run a marathon, go rock climbing, win the Olympic weight lifting trials and basically become Captain America only without the super soldier serum.

Do you get it? This is a bodybuilding forum. That means the goal isn’t to just look “a little built”. I am also not knocking your progress, but numbers don’t mean shit alone as we have seen many times before if there are no pics.

You have one guy in another thread training that way who claims tons of pounds gained but he looks like he doesn’t even lift if you just looked at his upper body. His legs grew, but overall his progress is much less than would be expected over the same time period on a routine that didn’t purposely downplay the importance of training muscle groups directly.

So, use your “[quote]empiricism and didactic knowledge obtained in academia[/quote]” and attach a picture of your progress.

PS,

I have seen the pics in your profile, and you seem to have the genetics to be doing way better than you even are right now. You have the potential to possibly win some shows if you compete (if you haven’t already).

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
KyleT wrote:
Thanks for the constructive criticism. Like I said above I wanted to wait another 18 months before I posted photos. At least now I know what I need to work harder on.

It’s good that you did post. You just got some great constructive criticism from a few guys that have built impressive physiques. I respect you for having the balls to put up the pictures. Most people who talk shit on here wouldn’t do that. Honestly though, in the debate of TBT vs. splits, I think the pics actually show why splits would be better.[/quote]

Bingo.

Numbers alone make HIT sound like the greatest method around…but then you look at the people claiming all of this “progress” and “where’s the beef?” is the only thing that pops into mind.

[quote]JeeKeu wrote:
Professor X wrote:
KyleT wrote:
I gained 65 pounds in 18 months using mostly TBT. I LOL at my before pictures. I will eventually post before & after photos when I hit the 2 or 3 year mark.

I gained 150lbs by the age of 17.

(X meant to say…“I gained 150lbs SINCE the age of 17”)

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LOL! You make this your first post here? Remember, I’ve trained with you…I know you speak up way more than this.

Either way, glad to see you stop lurking. There are tons of people here who can quote theory by memory who haven’t made half the progress you have. Knowing how you train, I know for a fact that lack of intensity is why everyone else seem to be making less progress.

[quote]carlthescorp wrote:

When people make such blanket statements as calling TBT users pseudo-athletes that are mediocre at many things and good at nothing, it shows marred thinking patterns. Using compound lifts has, in my experience, facilitated a great stimulus for muscle growth. I train intensely throughout the session, and leave the gym knowing I’ve put forth a great effort every time.

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This might be pedantic of me, but split training uses compound movements as well, it’s not exclusive to TBT.

[quote]chimera182 wrote:
carlthescorp wrote:

When people make such blanket statements as calling TBT users pseudo-athletes that are mediocre at many things and good at nothing, it shows marred thinking patterns. Using compound lifts has, in my experience, facilitated a great stimulus for muscle growth. I train intensely throughout the session, and leave the gym knowing I’ve put forth a great effort every time.

This might be pedantic of me, but split training uses compound movements as well, it’s not exclusive to TBT.[/quote]

It isn’t pedantic at all. I don’t even know why they speak of “compound lifts” as if bodybuilders avoid all of those.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
chimera182 wrote:
carlthescorp wrote:

When people make such blanket statements as calling TBT users pseudo-athletes that are mediocre at many things and good at nothing, it shows marred thinking patterns. Using compound lifts has, in my experience, facilitated a great stimulus for muscle growth. I train intensely throughout the session, and leave the gym knowing I’ve put forth a great effort every time.

This might be pedantic of me, but split training uses compound movements as well, it’s not exclusive to TBT.

It isn’t pedantic at all. I don’t even know why they speak of “compound lifts” as if bodybuilders avoid all of those.[/quote]

The terms are overrated anyway, choosing exercises based on finding a balance between max load and max “stimulation” is much better. Basically, exercises that hit the target muscles HARD and cause them to grow while also using a lot of weight and a lot of room for progress.

The terms are overrated anyway, choosing exercises based on finding a balance between max load and max “stimulation” is much better. Basically, exercises that hit the target muscles HARD and cause them to grow while also using a lot of weight and a lot of room for progress.

I’ll speak up and say that TBT is good for fat loss, and I agree, for maintainence…but I’ve never read where it says you should squat 3x a week…

Currently, since I am dieting (and maintaining mass) I am doing tbt… ducks

I stick to compounds movements, but use supersets…(bench, row…press, pull up, etc) At the end I’ll add accessory work… It’s kinda fun, and I choose different movements each time…no one workout is the same really…

Come January, I will ‘split,’ things up and see what kind of definition I can REALLY get! :wink:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
chimera182 wrote:
carlthescorp wrote:

When people make such blanket statements as calling TBT users pseudo-athletes that are mediocre at many things and good at nothing, it shows marred thinking patterns. Using compound lifts has, in my experience, facilitated a great stimulus for muscle growth. I train intensely throughout the session, and leave the gym knowing I’ve put forth a great effort every time.

This might be pedantic of me, but split training uses compound movements as well, it’s not exclusive to TBT.

It isn’t pedantic at all. I don’t even know why they speak of “compound lifts” as if bodybuilders avoid all of those.[/quote]

Because then they have a reason to be superior to people bigger than them?

[quote]That One Guy wrote:
Professor X wrote:
chimera182 wrote:
carlthescorp wrote:

When people make such blanket statements as calling TBT users pseudo-athletes that are mediocre at many things and good at nothing, it shows marred thinking patterns. Using compound lifts has, in my experience, facilitated a great stimulus for muscle growth. I train intensely throughout the session, and leave the gym knowing I’ve put forth a great effort every time.

This might be pedantic of me, but split training uses compound movements as well, it’s not exclusive to TBT.

It isn’t pedantic at all. I don’t even know why they speak of “compound lifts” as if bodybuilders avoid all of those.

The terms are overrated anyway, choosing exercises based on finding a balance between max load and max “stimulation” is much better. Basically, exercises that hit the target muscles HARD and cause them to grow while also using a lot of weight and a lot of room for progress.[/quote]

I realize that compound lifts aren’t exclusive to TBT, but they are definitely what the training style is mostly centered around. I could not agree more that gaining muscle comes as a result of working hard and executing heavy lifts.

Professor, I have not competed yet but I do intend to do so either after I graduate or when I’m on clinical rotations. And I liked your direct quote relating to me posting progress pics, haha. I was not trying to sound pretentious or anything along those lines, simply refuting a previously made implication that anyone championing TBT automatically is rehashing Waterburyiansms. But here are a couple of my older pics, I don’t have a conventional “before anything” picture. Just imagine a skeleton for that one.

edit: my whole post was to emphasize that no one should feel superior.


older.

newer

[quote]carlthescorp wrote:
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Like I said, you have the genetics. However, I also get the impression that you could be further along.

Good luck with school though. It never kept me from lifting so hopefully you won’t ever use that excuse.

I would like to see how you would do training more like me after one year.

[quote]carlthescorp wrote:
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Damn, what program did you use?

[quote]carlthescorp wrote:
That One Guy wrote:
Professor X wrote:
chimera182 wrote:
carlthescorp wrote:

When people make such blanket statements as calling TBT users pseudo-athletes that are mediocre at many things and good at nothing, it shows marred thinking patterns. Using compound lifts has, in my experience, facilitated a great stimulus for muscle growth. I train intensely throughout the session, and leave the gym knowing I’ve put forth a great effort every time.

This might be pedantic of me, but split training uses compound movements as well, it’s not exclusive to TBT.

It isn’t pedantic at all. I don’t even know why they speak of “compound lifts” as if bodybuilders avoid all of those.

The terms are overrated anyway, choosing exercises based on finding a balance between max load and max “stimulation” is much better. Basically, exercises that hit the target muscles HARD and cause them to grow while also using a lot of weight and a lot of room for progress.

I realize that compound lifts aren’t exclusive to TBT, but they are definitely what the training style is mostly centered around. I could not agree more that gaining muscle comes as a result of working hard and executing heavy lifts.

Professor, I have not competed yet but I do intend to do so either after I graduate or when I’m on clinical rotations. And I liked your direct quote relating to me posting progress pics, haha. I was not trying to sound pretentious or anything along those lines, simply refuting a previously made implication that anyone championing TBT automatically is rehashing Waterburyiansms. But here are a couple of my older pics, I don’t have a conventional “before anything” picture. Just imagine a skeleton for that one.

edit: my whole post was to emphasize that no one should feel superior. [/quote]

You make a good point, and definitely look solid. I don’t think anyone intended the comments at you, jut the trolls that tend to be on the forums.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
carlthescorp wrote:
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Like I said, you have the genetics. However, I also get the impression that you could be further along.

Good luck with school though. It never kept me from lifting so hopefully you won’t ever use that excuse.

I would like to see how you would do training more like me after one year. [/quote]

That sounds intriguing. You will have to forgive me in that I’m not completely familiar with your training style and 30,000 plus posts is a lot to skim through. My guess would be a split of some kind, 4-5 sessions a week? I would be more than willing to try out how you do things though, I still have 4-6 weeks of a current program, but a clean slate after that.

chimera: Thanks, I was just speaking personally. No matter what I say people will predominantly continue to believe that whatever they do is automatically the best, regardless of whether or not they see results. It can just be irksome when everyone, caught up on riding their high horses, misses some of the lessons that can only be learned at ground level.

kyle: I have just been putting together really difficult workouts consisting of mainly compound lifts with push/pull, legs, and I usually throw in something for abs at the end. I love working hard, sometimes between lifts I get well acquainted with the ground for a couple of minutes. So I’ve been lifting 3 days a week with sessions consisting of 6-8 lifts. This month I’ve been doing light complexes or farmer’s walks and sprints twice a week on off days.

[quote]carlthescorp wrote:
Professor X wrote:
carlthescorp wrote:
newer

Like I said, you have the genetics. However, I also get the impression that you could be further along.

Good luck with school though. It never kept me from lifting so hopefully you won’t ever use that excuse.

I would like to see how you would do training more like me after one year.

That sounds intriguing. You will have to forgive me in that I’m not completely familiar with your training style and 30,000 plus posts is a lot to skim through. My guess would be a split of some kind, 4-5 sessions a week? I would be more than willing to try out how you do things though, I still have 4-6 weeks of a current program, but a clean slate after that.

chimera: Thanks, I was just speaking personally. No matter what I say people will predominantly continue to believe that whatever they do is automatically the best, regardless of whether or not they see results. It can just be irksome when everyone, caught up on riding their high horses, misses some of the lessons that can only be learned at ground level.

kyle: I have just been putting together really difficult workouts consisting of mainly compound lifts with push/pull, legs, and I usually throw in something for abs at the end. I love working hard, sometimes between lifts I get well acquainted with the ground for a couple of minutes. So I’ve been lifting 3 days a week with sessions consisting of 6-8 lifts. This month I’ve been doing light complexes or farmer’s walks and sprints twice a week on off days. [/quote]

True, and it’s especially so on the internet. Though whatever works for the person is what they should be doing.

[quote]carlthescorp wrote:

That sounds intriguing. You will have to forgive me in that I’m not completely familiar with your training style and 30,000 plus posts is a lot to skim through. My guess would be a split of some kind, 4-5 sessions a week? I would be more than willing to try out how you do things though, I still have 4-6 weeks of a current program, but a clean slate after that.
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Right now, your legs seem to stand out over everything else…which isn’t such a bad thing at your stage of development, but your upper body could be further along by now if you spent more time working individual muscle groups.

Your chest (upper chest) and anterior delts are lagging. Try more incline work and more exercises for shoulders.

[quote]carlthescorp wrote:
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Good job, brother, keep at it!

[quote]carlthescorp wrote:
Professor X wrote:
carlthescorp wrote:
newer

Like I said, you have the genetics. However, I also get the impression that you could be further along.

Good luck with school though. It never kept me from lifting so hopefully you won’t ever use that excuse.

I would like to see how you would do training more like me after one year.

That sounds intriguing. You will have to forgive me in that I’m not completely familiar with your training style and 30,000 plus posts is a lot to skim through. My guess would be a split of some kind, 4-5 sessions a week? I would be more than willing to try out how you do things though, I still have 4-6 weeks of a current program, but a clean slate after that. [/quote] You can find it all in his training thread… There’s a link to it (Professor X: a request) in the “Best of T-Nation” sticky at the top of the BB forum.
(note sets on main exercises are ramped… People seem to, for some reason, overlook that little tidbit a lot). [quote]

chimera: Thanks, I was just speaking personally. No matter what I say people will predominantly continue to believe that whatever they do is automatically the best, regardless of whether or not they see results. It can just be irksome when everyone, caught up on riding their high horses, misses some of the lessons that can only be learned at ground level.

kyle: I have just been putting together really difficult workouts consisting of mainly compound lifts with push/pull, legs, and I usually throw in something for abs at the end. I love working hard, sometimes between lifts I get well acquainted with the ground for a couple of minutes. So I’ve been lifting 3 days a week with sessions consisting of 6-8 lifts. This month I’ve been doing light complexes or farmer’s walks and sprints twice a week on off days. [/quote]