[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:
Bingo, racism at a tea party. [/quote]
So YOU believe that African tribesman are somehow of less value or less dignified than a white man in a suit? I would think most leftist should be thrilled to see the maligned perpetually underestimated noble African celebrated by a comparison to the American messiah. He himself in turn, far from offense should take pride in the comparison as well.
You’re the one denigrating bone nosed spear chuckers you bigot.
[quote]katzenjammer wrote:
[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:
To make my point I would like you to prove to me that he’s lying. I think you will find it absolutely impossible.
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This is getting unbelievable. I’m really starting to think that you’re writing to me from an insane asylum.
this bit >>that there were racist remarks directed at Lewis.<<<< THAT
This^^ is false. There is NO EVIDENCE TO support that anyone yelled racist remarks at him.
Are you really that^ stupid?
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"Abusive, derogatory and even racist behavior directed at House Democrats by Tea Party protesters on Saturday left several lawmakers in shock.
Preceding the president’s speech to a gathering of House Democrats, thousands of protesters descended around the Capitol to protest the passage of health care reform. The gathering quickly turned into abusive heckling, as members of Congress passing through Longworth House office building were subjected to epithets and even mild physical abuse.
A staffer for Rep. James Clyburn (D-S.C.) told reporters that Rep. Emanuel Cleaver (D-Mo.) had been spat on by a protestor. Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.), a hero of the civil rights movement, was called a ‘ni–er.’ And Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.) was called a “faggot,” as protestors shouted at him with deliberately lisp-y screams. Frank, approached in the halls after the president’s speech, shrugged off the incident.
But Clyburn was downright incredulous, saying he had not witnessed such treatment since he was leading civil rights protests in South Carolina in the 1960s."
Here’s your evidence. The congressman himself said he was called a nigger.
So again, there is evidence for the author to show that their were racists at the tea party. But he didn’t have to say that everyone at the tea party is a racist. That is his only fault. However, his take on certain individuals actions is purely subjective.
If the author had said something like, “the protests were marred by the actions of a few racists…” then he would be absolutely in the clear.
Think about it, reread this ten times if you have to. However if the first words you type are anything like the last ones then I’m done with this.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:
Bingo, racism at a tea party. [/quote]
So YOU believe that African tribesman are somehow of less value or less dignified than a white man in a suit? I would think most leftist should be thrilled to see the maligned perpetually underestimated noble African celebrated by a comparison to the American messiah. He himself in turn, far from offense should take pride in the comparison as well.
You’re the one denigrating bone nosed spear chuckers you bigot.[/quote]
My argument is that racism is subjective. However I’m sure many African Americans possibly including our president would find being compared to an African tribesman as racist. I believe the term spear chucker is usually accepted as racist yes?
[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:
[quote]katzenjammer wrote:
[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:
To make my point I would like you to prove to me that he’s lying. I think you will find it absolutely impossible.
[/quote]
This is getting unbelievable. I’m really starting to think that you’re writing to me from an insane asylum.
this bit >>that there were racist remarks directed at Lewis.<<<< THAT
This^^ is false. There is NO EVIDENCE TO support that anyone yelled racist remarks at him.
Are you really that^ stupid?
[/quote]
"Abusive, derogatory and even racist behavior directed at House Democrats by Tea Party protesters on Saturday left several lawmakers in shock.
Preceding the president’s speech to a gathering of House Democrats, thousands of protesters descended around the Capitol to protest the passage of health care reform. The gathering quickly turned into abusive heckling, as members of Congress passing through Longworth House office building were subjected to epithets and even mild physical abuse.
A staffer for Rep. James Clyburn (D-S.C.) told reporters that Rep. Emanuel Cleaver (D-Mo.) had been spat on by a protestor. Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.), a hero of the civil rights movement, was called a ‘ni–er.’ And Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.) was called a “faggot,” as protestors shouted at him with deliberately lisp-y screams. Frank, approached in the halls after the president’s speech, shrugged off the incident.
But Clyburn was downright incredulous, saying he had not witnessed such treatment since he was leading civil rights protests in South Carolina in the 1960s."
Here’s your evidence. The congressman himself said he was called a nigger.
So again, there is evidence for the author to show that their were racists at the tea party. But he didn’t have to say that everyone at the tea party is a racist. That is his only fault. However, his take on certain individuals actions is purely subjective.
If the author had said something like, “the protests were marred by the actions of a few racists…” then he would be absolutely in the clear.
Think about it, reread this ten times if you have to. However if the first words you type are anything like the last ones then I’m done with this.[/quote]
I thought they were investigating this, looking at videos and such, and were unable to corroborate the stories. I’m not sure where I read that, or if they were referring to the same incident.
[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:
Bingo, racism at a tea party. [/quote]
So YOU believe that African tribesman are somehow of less value or less dignified than a white man in a suit? I would think most leftist should be thrilled to see the maligned perpetually underestimated noble African celebrated by a comparison to the American messiah. He himself in turn, far from offense should take pride in the comparison as well.
You’re the one denigrating bone nosed spear chuckers you bigot.[/quote]
My argument is that racism is subjective. However I’m sure many African Americans possibly including our president would find being compared to an African tribesman as racist. I believe the term spear chucker is usually accepted as racist yes?[/quote]
If that word is racist, and you just typed it, are you not then racist, regardless of the context you used the word?
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:
[quote]katzenjammer wrote:
[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:
To make my point I would like you to prove to me that he’s lying. I think you will find it absolutely impossible.
[/quote]
This is getting unbelievable. I’m really starting to think that you’re writing to me from an insane asylum.
this bit >>that there were racist remarks directed at Lewis.<<<< THAT
This^^ is false. There is NO EVIDENCE TO support that anyone yelled racist remarks at him.
Are you really that^ stupid?
[/quote]
"Abusive, derogatory and even racist behavior directed at House Democrats by Tea Party protesters on Saturday left several lawmakers in shock.
Preceding the president’s speech to a gathering of House Democrats, thousands of protesters descended around the Capitol to protest the passage of health care reform. The gathering quickly turned into abusive heckling, as members of Congress passing through Longworth House office building were subjected to epithets and even mild physical abuse.
A staffer for Rep. James Clyburn (D-S.C.) told reporters that Rep. Emanuel Cleaver (D-Mo.) had been spat on by a protestor. Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.), a hero of the civil rights movement, was called a ‘ni–er.’ And Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.) was called a “faggot,” as protestors shouted at him with deliberately lisp-y screams. Frank, approached in the halls after the president’s speech, shrugged off the incident.
But Clyburn was downright incredulous, saying he had not witnessed such treatment since he was leading civil rights protests in South Carolina in the 1960s."
Here’s your evidence. The congressman himself said he was called a nigger.
So again, there is evidence for the author to show that their were racists at the tea party. But he didn’t have to say that everyone at the tea party is a racist. That is his only fault. However, his take on certain individuals actions is purely subjective.
If the author had said something like, “the protests were marred by the actions of a few racists…” then he would be absolutely in the clear.
Think about it, reread this ten times if you have to. However if the first words you type are anything like the last ones then I’m done with this.[/quote]
I thought they were investigating this, looking at videos and such, and were unable to corroborate the stories. I’m not sure where I read that, or if they were referring to the same incident.[/quote]
This is a manufactured story - they were hoping to bait the crowd; they didn’t get what they wanted. So they made it up.
Here’s your “proof for the negative” : the videos are there for everyone to watch. No one said any such thing.
So, Schlenkatank, care to try again?
[quote]katzenjammer wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:
[quote]katzenjammer wrote:
[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:
To make my point I would like you to prove to me that he’s lying. I think you will find it absolutely impossible.
[/quote]
This is getting unbelievable. I’m really starting to think that you’re writing to me from an insane asylum.
this bit >>that there were racist remarks directed at Lewis.<<<< THAT
This^^ is false. There is NO EVIDENCE TO support that anyone yelled racist remarks at him.
Are you really that^ stupid?
[/quote]
"Abusive, derogatory and even racist behavior directed at House Democrats by Tea Party protesters on Saturday left several lawmakers in shock.
Preceding the president’s speech to a gathering of House Democrats, thousands of protesters descended around the Capitol to protest the passage of health care reform. The gathering quickly turned into abusive heckling, as members of Congress passing through Longworth House office building were subjected to epithets and even mild physical abuse.
A staffer for Rep. James Clyburn (D-S.C.) told reporters that Rep. Emanuel Cleaver (D-Mo.) had been spat on by a protestor. Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.), a hero of the civil rights movement, was called a ‘ni–er.’ And Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.) was called a “faggot,” as protestors shouted at him with deliberately lisp-y screams. Frank, approached in the halls after the president’s speech, shrugged off the incident.
But Clyburn was downright incredulous, saying he had not witnessed such treatment since he was leading civil rights protests in South Carolina in the 1960s."
Here’s your evidence. The congressman himself said he was called a nigger.
So again, there is evidence for the author to show that their were racists at the tea party. But he didn’t have to say that everyone at the tea party is a racist. That is his only fault. However, his take on certain individuals actions is purely subjective.
If the author had said something like, “the protests were marred by the actions of a few racists…” then he would be absolutely in the clear.
Think about it, reread this ten times if you have to. However if the first words you type are anything like the last ones then I’m done with this.[/quote]
I thought they were investigating this, looking at videos and such, and were unable to corroborate the stories. I’m not sure where I read that, or if they were referring to the same incident.[/quote]
This is a manufactured story - they were hoping to bait the crowd; they didn’t get what they wanted. So they made it up.
Here’s your “proof for the negative” : the videos are there for everyone to watch. No one said any such thing.
So, Schlenkatank, care to try again?
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No link.
It’s also highly significant that the Puffington Post (there’s a reliable source!) didn’t include any of the video - some of which were taken by staff members themselves. Pure propaganda folks. They just assert it as if it’s true (the narrative had already been prepared) in the absence of ANY proof.
Here’s a good summary with links to videos: http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/protesting-obamacare-what-really-happened-on-march-20/
[quote]katzenjammer wrote:
It’s also highly significant that the Puffington Post (there’s a reliable source!) didn’t include any of the video - some of which were taken by staff members themselves. Pure propaganda folks. They just assert it as if it’s true (the narrative had already been prepared) in the absence of ANY proof.
Here’s a good summary with links to videos: http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/protesting-obamacare-what-really-happened-on-march-20/[/quote]
Shouldn’t knowingly false racist accusations be treated as harshly as racism itself. This seems like a woman seducing you then reporting you raped her. Isn’t what the congressman did entirely racist?
Quite frankly, all this peripheral “noise” is pointless. Certainly groups can be “rascist” as a whole…but I don’t think that this is the case with the Tea Party AS A WHOLE.
The Tea Party will either rise or fall based on 1) the firmness of its convictions and 2) it’s ability to become a cohesive voice of change.
The former can certainly be legitimately questioned. If its all “anti-Big Government/intrusion of Government” it should have been a loud and vocal movement 6-8 years ago, and not during the largest recession in American History, and not when there are such clear “boogymen” to voice their anger at (Obama/Pelosi/Reid/Frank et.al).
Also, as I’ve said before, its a movement that’s TOO “boogy-man” and personality dependent for me. (Palin seems to be almost a DE FACTO "voice?/Leader?).
IF a) they continue to be as loud and as vocal when the GOP takes over Congress and the White House (and history says they will) and b) this fall they support a lot of independents and/or Libertarian candidates (as opposed to going lock-step with the GOP)…then I will certainly change my view of the movement as a whole.
Time will tell.
Mufasa
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Quite frankly, all this peripheral “noise” is pointless. Certainly groups can be “rascist” as a whole…but I don’t think that this is the case with the Tea Psrty AS A WHOLE.
The Tea Party will either rise or fall based on 1) the firmness of its convictions and 2) it’s ability to become a cohesive voice of change.
The former can certainly be legitimately questioned. If its all “anti-Big Government/intrusion of Government” it should have been a loud and vocal movement 6-8 years ago, and not during the largest recession in American History, and not when there are such clear “boogymen” to voice their anger at (Obama/Pelosi/Reid/Frank et.al).
Also, as I’ve said before, its a movement that’s TOO “boogy-man” and personality dependent for me. (Palin seems to be almost a DE FACTO "voice?/Leader?).
IF a) they continue to be as loud and as vocal when the GOP takes over Congress and the White House (and history says they will) and b) this fall they support a lot of independents and/or Libertarian candidates (as opposed to going lock-step with the GOP)…then I will certainly change my view of the movement as a whole.
Time will tell.
Mufasa[/quote]
Thanks Mufasa, But in my case, My movement started in 2008 Which WAS before the economic collapse and before Commander hope N change took office, or had even won his own primary against a very formidable Mrs. Clinton. The reason I got turned onto libertarianism is exactly because the conservatives I had faith in let me down for 8 years. This movement at it’s core is STILL mostly the same people who helped Ron Paul break a 3 million and then a 5 million one day fundraising record. The VAST VAST majority of the “tea baggers” are those people, sure more have signed up, and a few might even be because of the current Admin. But a lot are here because of the actions of the republicans, and not the actions of the current admin.
V
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]katzenjammer wrote:
It’s also highly significant that the Puffington Post (there’s a reliable source!) didn’t include any of the video - some of which were taken by staff members themselves. Pure propaganda folks. They just assert it as if it’s true (the narrative had already been prepared) in the absence of ANY proof.
Here’s a good summary with links to videos: http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/protesting-obamacare-what-really-happened-on-march-20/
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Shouldn’t knowingly false racist accusations be treated as harshly as racism itself. This seems like a woman seducing you then reporting you raped her. Isn’t what the congressman did entirely racist? [/quote]
This sort of lying is incredibly racist. Blacks - and everyone who values the Civil Rights movement (which they tried to co-opt and requisition in service to all this) - should be offended.
Moreover, people like Krugman, Rich, and many more in the legacy media ought to be ashamed of themselves; this is a very serious and potentially dangerous charge; and to repeat it (knowing it has no basis) verges on moral depravity. It is doing exactly what they accuse the Tea Partiers of: it is hateful, deceitful, divisive, etc.
That was the entire point of this thread - but it somehow got derailed by a bunch of nonsense about stereotyping, which has nothing to do with my original post.
Dude what article did you read. He NOWHERE calls the teaparty movement a racist one.
He referes to “extremist elements” but he does not categorize the entire movement.
[quote]Alffi wrote:
White people aligning is very bad. Non-whites aligning for their cause is good and to be celebrated.
The liberals (or the leftists in Europe) throw a fit if they hear rumours about some white people gathering and saying some potentially offensive things, but they don’t care to report how non-whites are leaving cities in ruins and acting on their hateful words which 99% of racist whites never do, and which is a major reason non-whites are so confident about destroying whites. Non-white on white devastation is just so ordinary that it does not really register as news.[/quote]
Hes condemning bricks through windows and spitting on people. I mean hes clearly a liberal so hes writing from the perspective and presents only his own argument and not the counterbalance but he isnt lying. This is also an Op-Ed piece. This is not journalism its opinion.
[quote]katzenjammer wrote:
I know this is going to be a big waste of time. But what the hell, here goes: son, it’s YOU who haven’t seemed to grasp that there is a difference between “LYING” and “STEREOTYPING.” For some reason, you seemed obsessed with the latter. You also seemed confused about it: for not all stereotyping is illegitmate, as you seem to think it is.
But again, I’m not talking about stereotyping. I’m talking about the string of lies he either knowingly or unknowingly puts forth in his piece.
Now, is that^ so hard to understand?
As far as the lying, here is a REPOST from above:
How about starting with this:
There’s nothing entertaining about watching goons hurl venomous slurs at congressmen like the civil rights hero John Lewis…
THAT ^^ - and just about every other sentance in the piece - is a BALD FACED LIE.
Nota Bena: I have said nothing about catagorizing, or generalizing, or profiling, or whatever else you’re fantasizing about.
I think lying with such impunity about so explosive an issue is deplorable in the extreme.
Now, what do YOU think?
And please try and refrain from using the words “categorizing,” “profiling,” and “stereotyping.” I know it’s hard for you to type without using those words. Perhaps it’s a kind of tourette’s syndrome?
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How do you know thats a lie again?
[quote]katzenjammer wrote:
[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:
To make my point I would like you to prove to me that he’s lying. I think you will find it absolutely impossible.
[/quote]
This is getting unbelievable. I’m really starting to think that you’re writing to me from an insane asylum.
I am not talkinga about the reference to “goons” and could care less about your fixation on “stereotyping.”
In that sentence I quoted, I am talking about the assumptive bit that he elevates to truth:
this bit >>that there were racist remarks directed at Lewis.<<<< THAT
This^^ is false. There is NO EVIDENCE TO support that anyone yelled racist remarks at him.
What the fuck is so hard to understand about this???
In fact, during their little “crowd-baiting” exercise, which is what it was, they had trailing cameras (I was there) to pick up anything said - and you can look at the video evidence yourself. Nothing. Although, that doesn’t stop them from still making the (unfounded) claim.
You’re asking ME to prove a NEGATIVE?
Are you really that^ stupid?
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Ok I missed this. I would like to see the video. The allegation was made and I would like to look at the video. What about the brick through the window? The point of the article was not that the Tea party was racist but that rhetoric is getting dangerously hot.
[quote]Eli B wrote:
Dude what article did you read. He NOWHERE calls the teaparty movement a racist one.
He referes to “extremist elements” but he does not categorize the entire movement.[/quote]
Did you read the article? Did you read the title? did you read the quotes?
If the allegations are lies and the media knows they are (they almost have to), then it is nothing more than an effort of propaganda against the movement. It is an attempt to categorize the movement. What exactly do you think the actual intent is then? For what reason where the allegations made and reported?
[quote]katzenjammer wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:
[quote]katzenjammer wrote:
[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:
This is a manufactured story - they were hoping to bait the crowd; they didn’t get what they wanted. So they made it up.
Here’s your “proof for the negative” : the videos are there for everyone to watch. No one said any such thing.
So, Schlenkatank, care to try again?
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You are so ridiculous… YOUR ARGUMENT IS TRYING TO PROVE A NEGATIVE. You have just tried to prove with your video evidence that there was no racism because you didn’t hear it…!!! WHICH IS AN ARGUMENT FROM IGNORANCE (All the while ignoring the congressman’s testimony, which of course fits into your manufactured story idea…). This video cannot possibly prove that there was no racism at the tea party. Again, good luck trying to prove your negative chief…
[quote]katzenjammer wrote:
[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:
This is a manufactured story - they were hoping to bait the crowd; they didn’t get what they wanted. So they made it up.
Here’s your “proof for the negative” : the videos are there for everyone to watch. No one said any such thing.
So, Schlenkatank, care to try again?
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You are so ridiculous… YOUR ARGUMENT IS TRYING TO PROVE A NEGATIVE. You have just tried to prove with your video evidence that there was no racism because you didn’t hear it…!!! WHICH IS AN ARGUMENT FROM IGNORANCE (All the while ignoring the congressman’s testimony, which of course fits into your manufactured story idea…). This video cannot possibly prove that there was no racism at the tea party. Again, good luck trying to prove your negative chief…
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Okay, now I know you must be trolling.
No one could this be this much of a fucking shithead.
In case you really are in an asylum, however, and are geniunely confused: [u]I’ve already said, there is no way to prove a negative. THAT WAS MY POINT!
YOU’RE THE ONE WHO ASKED THAT I PROVE A NEGATIVE - WHEN OBVIOUSLY, IT’S FRANK (“I LOVE CATS”) RICH’S JOB TO PROVE HIS ASSERTIONS AND CLAIMS.[/u]
HOWEVER, as you have proabably noticed by now, the videos show that no racist comments were made by Tea Partiers in the instance that Frank (“I love Cats”) Rich cited.
What is so fucking hard about this?
THEREFORE, the little prick motherfucker Frank (“I love Cats”) Rich is a fucking liar who is trying to create a narrative along with Krugman, etc.
And tools like you, Schlenkatank, are just following along like mindless fools.
Now, why don’t you just run along to pick up your meds from the nurse?
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Eli B wrote:
Dude what article did you read. He NOWHERE calls the teaparty movement a racist one.
He referes to “extremist elements” but he does not categorize the entire movement.[/quote]
Did you read the article? Did you read the title? did you read the quotes?
If the allegations are lies and the media knows they are (they almost have to), then it is nothing more than an effort of propaganda against the movement. It is an attempt to categorize the movement. What exactly do you think the actual intent is then? For what reason where the allegations made and reported?[/quote]
Its a biased Op-ed. Thats what an Op-ed is. I’m willing to admit that. I heard a lot of that shit about the slurs, the spitting and the vandalism reported elsewhere and wonder how it materialized out of thin air.