Bill I don’t know if i’m correct on this, but I recall you saying that 4-AD-EC is responsible for most of the mass gains in MAG 10, while 1-AD is responsible for most of the strength gains(But I may be wrong). Now would that mean that you can expect the same gains in mass from 4-AD-EC? Since 4-AD-EC is a lot cheaper would doubling the dose have any advantage? I know that a lot of people experienced better gains at double doses on MAG 10, I being one of those.
i’d like to know as well.
Can 4-AD-EC be used long term? Is it suppressive and require M and Tribex post cycle? My assumption is that it is just like Androsol, right?
I’m pretty sure I didn’t say that, though I recall others saying it.
My personal guess is that you get about 50% more gains by including the A1-E as with MAG-10, if you’re talking about a first cycle. In later cycles you could get to the point where you’ve gotten about as far as you can get with only 4-AD-EC (or any Class II androgen) and so another cycle of the same would be disappointing but one that included A1-E (or any Class I androgen) would give good results. Such a case is much more than just a 50% difference.
The 4-AD-EC formulation is so new there’s no way to say for sure that in general doubling to two doses per day might or might not give significantly more results. I’d start with one (as I have done myself) and then experiment from there if desired, if there seems any need.
For you personally though, if you’re sure that two
doses per day of MAG-10 give you better results than one dose, then I’d expect the
same to hold true for 4-AD-EC.
Yes, 4-AD-EC is like 2x/day Androsol application (except that for some individuals who do not absorb Androsol well, 4-AD-EC may be better.)
Quite a lot of people have used Androsol 2x/day for 8 weeks or more and generally have
felt that inhibition was not a problem for them even if no recovery agent was used afterwards. For now I would recommend planning on using Tribex, or Tribex + M, or Clomid after a longer cycle like that, until we finish our study on this and know for sure.
For a shorter cycle, the recovery agents are still good, but not necessary.