Biotest is now selling 4-AD-EC as a stand-alone supplement. Does anyone know anything about it? Check out the BiotestEdge store.
Saw that in Reader Mail this week. Cool. What’s the best way to use it? Bill? Any details? This is part of what’s in MAG-10 right?
Yes, the 4-AD-EC in it is the same component as the Class II component of MAG-10.
The formulation method is the same as
what one might call the Stage III MAG-10
formulation. Unlike the earlier formulations,
this appears as a clear solution rather
than an opaque emulsion, and the flavor is another improvement over the Stage II formulation (the bubblegum flavored formulation.)
Approximately one dose per day ought to equal Androsol. That is the amount I have been using myself and it seems correct to me so far. Blood testing is currently underway which will give a more exact comparison. (The study also will encompass other things including effect on LH suppression, since it appears that 4-AD and 4-AD-EC are low suppressive but no one has proven this yet: certainly something worth doing.)
what is the purpose of the supp?
It’s for those people who prefer to stack
4AD-EC with a class I androgen other than the
A1E in Mag10. Or for those people who want
less suppression of natural T than Mag 10
might cause.
It could also be useful as a libido booster.
Bill, can it be used in a morning only protocal to minimize inhibition? Or is the duration of action too long to use it in that manner? Thanks in advance.
Would this be a safer product to use for someone like me who has mitral valve prolapse? Bill, you responded to a post from me a few months ago and said you didn’t know if Mag-10 would aggravate my condition. With this as a stand alone supplement, would it be safe now??? Thanks.
Bill, I was hoping for a response to my mitral valve prolapse question…Thanks.
Ryan, the duration of action will keep levels up during the night. But Androsol users seemed to do fine with 2x/day usage as well as with morning-only.
Now, that’s in the context of say 8 week usage rather than just continuous, ongoing usage. I wouldn’t use 4-AD-EC every day
of the year or anything like that.
Greig, it’s unfortunately the same here. I don’t know. I know little about mitral valve prolapse. Perhaps Spongebob can give more information as he often has expert knowledge in areas like this.
Thanks Bill. I planned on using androsol in a morning only protocal while dieting for the next 7 weeks and then using mag-10 for 6 weeks. Afterwards I planned on using androsol again in the morning only fashion to come off of mag-10. After that I would use 20 sprays every morning as a supplement for as long as my supply would last(tribex does little for me). Do you believe I would suffer little from using 4AD-EC for 7 weeks then mag-10 for 6 weeks? If so, then I may use the 4AD-EC now then use my current supply androsol later on. Also, do you think that 20 sprays every morning could be used as an effective supplement to tribex for and indefinite period. I would of course check blood lipids and test levels fairly often. Thanks in advance.
I’d think it would be OK to use 4-AD-EC for 7 weeks and then MAG-10 for six weeks. That’s about as much as I’d do though. It still is a good idea to have off periods.
20 sprays of Androsol each morning could I think be done indefinitely as supplementation.
Grieg since mitral valve prolapse tends to be correlated with an imbalance in the nervous system anything that strongly stimulates the nervous system would tend to cause symptoms but you probably already know this. From what I’ve heard and experienced for myself 4-AD tends to be a pretty good at stimulating neural arousal so it might not work as well for you as something like nandrosol…which has very little stimulating effects.
Bill - What is Stage II and Stage III Formulation? I am currently using MAG10 - Bubble gum flavor, opaque fluid . . . Just curious about the differences and advances suggested by the “stage II” and “stage III” names.
I’m about to start cycling 2 weeks of Mag-10 with 2 weeks of Tribex & M. Could I add the 4AD-EC to the Tribex weeks?? What are the expectations for this compound out of the Mag-10 formulation?
Could I add the 4AD-EC to the Tribex weeks??
What are the expectations for this compound out of the Mag-10 formulation?
How long can one cycle Mag-10 or 4Ad-Ec without negative side effects?
Well, this terminology of “Stage II” or “Stage III” etc. is just my own way of describing it.
Stage II is the bubblegum flavor and like
Stage I is an emulsion. Stage III appears
as a clear and colorless solution. As
I understand it (but I have not received
final production bottles but only prototypes
so I could be incorrect) the 4-AD-EC is peppermint flavored while MAG-10 is cinammon flavored.
The main value of the advance is improved
flavor. It is also possible that bioavailability may be further improved.
For first-time users, 4-AD-EC is probably 2/3 as effective as MAG-10. At some point a lifter could get about as far with 4-AD-EC as he’s able to go and therefore could make little further progress, in which case (or somewhat before that point really) there would then be a very dramatic difference between the two products: 4-AD-EC would do little whereas MAG-10 could still give rapid gains.
I don’t think continuous never-ending very substantial androgen supplementation is a good idea. However, a moderate continuous
use protocol like 20 sprays per day Androsol is fine. That would correspond probably to about 1.5 mL per day of 4-AD-EC.
Bill, What would your opinion be of starting out with a two week dose of MAG-10, 2x/day. One week of Tribex with M and then 6 weeks of the new 4AD product all the while using Myostat. I am currently 203 with 8% BF and am looking to add approx. 10-15 pounds of permanent LBM. Would this be an effective way to go about it or do have another suggestion for me.
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Bill, I read in one of your early MAG-10 post that 4-AD-EC have no affect on hair-loss. Do you still feel the same way?
Also, I would like to try Cy willson’s steroid dieting for 6-weeks, would 4-AD-EC be a good choice to use for this diet? Would would 4-AD-EC be better for a mass-gaining diet?
Bill, I have a couple of questions for you. First, if one were to stay on for say 8 weeks, as you described above would they have barely any T suppression? Would it be just the same,in terms of T suppression, if they did 70 sprays morning only for 8 weeks? Could one use 4-AD-EC as a bridge after a cycle to keep an anabolic edge while not interfering with their T recovery? Finally, how long should one bottle last at 1 dose per day? Thanks.