Quick question, didn’t you receive a freshmen strength and conditioning manual?
Yes stiff legged deadlifts are a good lift for you to do… you need to really focus on your posterior chain.
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[quote]clarkl15 wrote:
Old_School_5 wrote:
K, my reads are really good. I’m what coaches say a natural, a specimen… I have a nose for the ball. I ended up my senior season with 123 tackles 2 INT, 3 Force Fumbles, 1 TD, 3 Deflections in 6(a). I just want to lower my 40 a tenth of a second so I can run a 4.4. Also, I do need to work on my quickness and agility. I think the best workout for that is ladders, ropes, etc? ← correct? I want to go into my college and impress all my coaches.
Also, Straight Legged Deadlift will increase your speed correct? Also, it works your back?
Ladders and ropes are all nice an stuff but in order to be quick you have to work on your ability to decelerate and cut in a different direction.
SLDL are able to stretch out the Hamstring and strengthen it as a Hip flexor which in turn could help you to get faster but sprinting is really the only way to get faster.[/quote]
I think you mean hip extensor.
Sprinting is the only way to get faster? I think you are sorely mistaken.
[quote]Eric Cressey wrote:
Listen to Jay; he’s been there and done that (and continues to do so with his high school athletes). Ask any NFL scout what they look at the most at the combines and they’ll answer “pro-agility.” I’ve been around for dozens of NFL scouts working out our guys, and the sessions are ALWAYS based more on lateral movement than linear speed.
RJay Floyd wrote:
Dont get so caught up on 40 time for football. You need to worry more about agility than 40 time. Im assuming you are an upcoming freshamn. The coaches are not going to care what you run in the 40. They are going to see how much “game speed” you have. 40 times can be “artificially lowered” by learning better starts, technique, etc. This has nothing to do with being able to run in football. Get as big, strong, quick and explosive as you can. concentrate on learning your reads and making plays. That matters a whole lot more than your 40.
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For the first time I think i’m going to have to disagree with you Cressey. While there is more of an emphasis placed on lateral movement then linear speed, all the athlete’s that I’ve trained these last two years that have gone on to combines and my budy Courtney Roby who was drafted this year in the third round will tell you that the one test that scouts look at the most is vertical leap as it is one of the truest measure of how explosive and athlete really is. Increasing your vertical and agility congruently IMO opinion should receive the same if not more importance then focusing on agility or linear speed alone.
[quote]hoosierdaddy wrote:
Eric Cressey wrote:
Listen to Jay; he’s been there and done that (and continues to do so with his high school athletes). Ask any NFL scout what they look at the most at the combines and they’ll answer “pro-agility.” I’ve been around for dozens of NFL scouts working out our guys, and the sessions are ALWAYS based more on lateral movement than linear speed.
RJay Floyd wrote:
Dont get so caught up on 40 time for football. You need to worry more about agility than 40 time. Im assuming you are an upcoming freshamn. The coaches are not going to care what you run in the 40. They are going to see how much “game speed” you have. 40 times can be “artificially lowered” by learning better starts, technique, etc. This has nothing to do with being able to run in football. Get as big, strong, quick and explosive as you can. concentrate on learning your reads and making plays. That matters a whole lot more than your 40.
For the first time I think i’m going to have to disagree with you Cressey. While there is more of an emphasis placed on lateral movement then linear speed, all the athlete’s that I’ve trained these last two years that have gone on to combines and my budy Courtney Roby who was drafted this year in the third round will tell you that the one test that scouts look at the most is vertical leap as it is one of the truest measure of how explosive and athlete really is. Increasing your vertical and agility congruently IMO opinion should receive the same if not more importance then focusing on agility or linear speed alone.
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I agree with what you are saying completely. Especially since two of my high school athletes had the highest verticals(35) and the fastest pro agilities at the high school combine.
[quote]RJay Floyd wrote:
hoosierdaddy wrote:
Eric Cressey wrote:
Listen to Jay; he’s been there and done that (and continues to do so with his high school athletes). Ask any NFL scout what they look at the most at the combines and they’ll answer “pro-agility.” I’ve been around for dozens of NFL scouts working out our guys, and the sessions are ALWAYS based more on lateral movement than linear speed.
RJay Floyd wrote:
Dont get so caught up on 40 time for football. You need to worry more about agility than 40 time. Im assuming you are an upcoming freshamn. The coaches are not going to care what you run in the 40. They are going to see how much “game speed” you have. 40 times can be “artificially lowered” by learning better starts, technique, etc. This has nothing to do with being able to run in football. Get as big, strong, quick and explosive as you can. concentrate on learning your reads and making plays. That matters a whole lot more than your 40.
For the first time I think i’m going to have to disagree with you Cressey. While there is more of an emphasis placed on lateral movement then linear speed, all the athlete’s that I’ve trained these last two years that have gone on to combines and my budy Courtney Roby who was drafted this year in the third round will tell you that the one test that scouts look at the most is vertical leap as it is one of the truest measure of how explosive and athlete really is. Increasing your vertical and agility congruently IMO opinion should receive the same if not more importance then focusing on agility or linear speed alone.
I agree with what you are saying completely. Especially since two of my high school athletes had the highest verticals(35) and the fastest pro agilities at the high school combine. [/quote]
Think correlation, fellas. What is the vertical jump test? An assessment of the performance of the SSC! The pro-agility test just offers an athlete a chance to display proficiency (or lack of it) with the SSC in a more sport-specific context. I know guys who can jump through the roof, but they can’t move side to side to save their lives. Chances are that if you have a good pro-agility, you’ll have a good VJ. It doesn’t work the other way around, though.
Obviously, most scouts don’t know physiology to save their lives, so debating it isn’t all that worthwhile. I’ve heard it from the mouths of people who have been in this business for quite some time, though.
I see what your saying, and one thing we can all agree on is that yes, scouts know almost nothing about physiology. Only problem for us (football players) is that in the end they are the ones that write assessments on us :(.
As to your theory of that there is a correlation between good Pro-Agil times and VJ measurements, to me yes it makes sense, because the pro-agil offeres 3 specific points to be explosive (start, 1st turn, 2nd turn) and top speed is never reached, only the fastest point of acceleration within the aloted space, yet I myself seem to be an exception to the rule. On the team my pro-agil usually ranks among the best, yet me VJ is average and thats being kind! While I don’t have quite the same amount of experience in running combines, I do have a few data sheets for roughly a few hundered athletes that the company I work for trains. I’m going to sit down and crunch some numbers and see if you are right.
The only thing I want to point out is that while the pro-agil is a test that was intended to measure explosiveness in a Sport Specific setting, there is more to it then simply being explosive that can skew statistics on correlation. Often times many athletes can not accelerate and/or decelerate properly, they can not control their weight change, etc… Which explains that having a good VJ is not an appropriate way to predict Pro-Agil placement (like you state above), however I don’t think that Pro-Agil times are a good way to predict VJ type explosiveness, esp when the athlete is technically sound in the mechanics of the drill.
Side Note:
When Court tested his Pro-Agil, he told me there wern’t nearly as many scouts as there were for the vertical, which he said was the biggest “draw” if you will, at the combine.
Old_School-
So you played with Curtis Lofton?? How did you manage to change his mind?? Didn’t he grow up an OSU fan and then had the gooners pollute his mind this year, right??
No curtis lofton is 3a, I play in 6a Enid… See I dont get that shit, kind of pisses me off, no it really pisses me off lol. I dont see how a 3a school… Tiny fucking school, a prospect can go to a powerhouse D1 school and get picked over for instance ME! lol… I’m not trying to hate but It makes me mad. I weigh as much as him maybe more, I’m faster, stronger and put up probally more tackles then he did, but he got offered lol… but its alright OU wanted me too, but Coach Vinnables said I got overlooked… Its alright… Ya i heard he liked OSU, but i mean if you got offered OSU, OU who would you take lol? someone always going to go to a bowl game guarentee and a good chance at the national championship lol… I would chooce OU because when you do go to bowl games you get paid $$$$ money and plus all the accessories and shit =D… Plus the fact you get shit anyways for being a Division 1 football player… You know how it works… Na he lives like 30 min away from me, and I played 7 on 7 with him, but I mean I didn’t see anything that was like WOW… lol… but I’m happy for him and hope he sees the field…
I have met my nemesis on T-Nation.