My Summer Gains - Yay or Nay?

I play football in College, had all summer to get faster and stronger, Goal was to put on size without the underbelly lol, anyway, are these adequate gains for three months of strict diet and hard training? I’m fairly satisfied- my goals were met with the exception of my bench, i would have rather got it up a little bit more, but i had a little shoulder injury in june…anyway feel free to make comments, I play D tackle by the way

Beginning of summer:
6’1" 242 lbs.

40- 5.11
Bench- 350
Squat 465
Power Clean- 285
Conventional Deadlift-500
Waist-36"
Pull-Ups- 25

End of summer:
6’1" 252 lbs.

40- 5.0
Bench-375
Squat-505
Power Clean- 315
Conventional Deadlift- 530
Waist- 36"
Pull-ups- 27

There is a spreadsheet for the Extended Russian Squat program on Joe Skopec’s (sp?) website.

We are very similar in size and strength and I am doing that program right now. The first time I did it for squats I had great success.

Good luck.

Nice work.

What level do you play and what type program were you on?

27 pullups? I have to see this.

I play at an NAIA school, but a lot of our players are transfers from D-1 Schools…every year I’ve been there we’ve gone 10-2, 11-3, 10-1 etc…

On mondays I’d do push exercises like bench, shoulder press and do auxiliaries like triceps extension, dips, shoulder raises, etc…tuesdays- side-side focus running, wednesday- Legs- squats, deadlifts, (sets of 3-5 or 8 alternating each week) lunges, leg extensions etc. thursday- straight ahead running focus and friday would be pull oriented exercises- pull ups, rows, power cleans, curls, and then core work on monday and friday-sat/sunday off…

oh yeah, and I can do 27 pull ups, I wouldn’t lie to you, I’d video tape it but my cell phone only goes for 15 seconds at a time and i dont have a recorder.

[quote]Rmoss0 wrote:
I play at an NAIA school, but a lot of our players are transfers from D-1 Schools…every year I’ve been there we’ve gone 10-2, 11-3, 10-1 etc…

On mondays I’d do push exercises like bench, shoulder press and do auxiliaries like triceps extension, dips, shoulder raises, etc…tuesdays- side-side focus running, wednesday- Legs- squats, deadlifts, (sets of 3-5 or 8 alternating each week) lunges, leg extensions etc. thursday- straight ahead running focus and friday would be pull oriented exercises- pull ups, rows, power cleans, curls, and then core work on monday and friday-sat/sunday off…

oh yeah, and I can do 27 pull ups, I wouldn’t lie to you, I’d video tape it but my cell phone only goes for 15 seconds at a time and i dont have a recorder.[/quote]

I believe you. I have done 33.

I’d say it’s good gains, keep it up.

For 3 months I think you have some awesome improvements, specially the squat.

If you want your 40 time down even more, just practice technique and box jumps, I bet you could get in the 4.8 range.

5.0s 40 for someone who can do 27 pullups seems slow as fuck, but your lifts are looking solid, is your back just like crazy fucking thick?

I’d take that improvement over 3 months anyday,

good work


I’m only like 6’0"-6’1" and I weigh over 250 lbs…a 5 second forty for somebody over 250 lbs. is above average…considering my legs are rather short compared to a guy who would be 6’4 or 6’5…here’s a pic of my back if u wanna see it

Yay for the gains. Nice work.

I applaud you for doing pull-ups despite your size. 27 reps of 250 is damn impressive.

It seems to me that the areas you improved in the least were your 40-dash time and your pull-ups. I think, for speed’s sake, you need to make it a priority to become leaner. I understand that in order to play serious football, you need to weigh a good bit more than other athletes.

I honestly would be interested in what your coaches are saying what you should be improving on. Maybe you don’t need to get leaner so much as you need to improve on running technique. You’ve obviously got the speed and strength to clean 315. It shouldn’t take a lot of work or gains in strength to make the strength you’ve got translate into more speed.

I believe that on a good track surface or field turf surface I could run a 4.9 (ive been running on lengthy kentucky bluegrass lol)…however, I’m playing D-tackle…wouldn’t it make more sense to work on side to side quickness and upper/lower body explosion and strength rather than just a 40-yd sprint?

I am confident I could get my 40 down, but it’s not necessarily my #1 concentration, strength, size and quickness are right now…I’m not training for a combine…yet ha (fullback is the only possible position i could play professionally)

40 yard dash time is overrated in terms of on field performance factor. jerry rice ran a 4.6, but he could still burn anyone because you rarely sprint 40 yards in a straight line in foootball. Shuttle run is a better indicator of the quickness you need. But still, the 40 will always be highly regarded especially at the combine, so if you want to paly pro you might have to get it down to 4.8-4.9

If I do end up trying to go pro, i honestly think I can get it down to a 4.7 and shed about 15 lbs. of unneeded weight (for fullback)

I know it came off as harsh criticism, I more meant it that usually people who are doing upper 20s of chins are overall lean+athletic, even at 250lbs, like a big linebacker or something. Linebackers running 5.0s is sad. You aren’t a linebacker and you look really thick in your upper body, thus why I asked =]

[quote]ftballfreak880 wrote:
40 yard dash time is overrated in terms of on field performance factor. jerry rice ran a 4.6, but he could still burn anyone because you rarely sprint 40 yards in a straight line in foootball. Shuttle run is a better indicator of the quickness you need. But still, the 40 will always be highly regarded especially at the combine, so if you want to paly pro you might have to get it down to 4.8-4.9[/quote]

Studies have shown that of the current combine tests, the only ones that have any real accuracy regarding the performance of lineman in the NFL is the 40-yard dash. For running backs it is the 40-yard dash and the bench press.

I will see if I can dig up the studies.

Do you play for or against Georgetown?

[quote]Rmoss0 wrote:
I play at an NAIA school, but a lot of our players are transfers from D-1 Schools…every year I’ve been there we’ve gone 10-2, 11-3, 10-1 etc…

On mondays I’d do push exercises like bench, shoulder press and do auxiliaries like triceps extension, dips, shoulder raises, etc…tuesdays- side-side focus running, wednesday- Legs- squats, deadlifts, (sets of 3-5 or 8 alternating each week) lunges, leg extensions etc. thursday- straight ahead running focus and friday would be pull oriented exercises- pull ups, rows, power cleans, curls, and then core work on monday and friday-sat/sunday off…

oh yeah, and I can do 27 pull ups, I wouldn’t lie to you, I’d video tape it but my cell phone only goes for 15 seconds at a time and i dont have a recorder.[/quote]

i play for georgetown