[quote]hypnotoad wrote:
The Mighty Stu wrote:
Hmnn ya know, I hate to sound like some of the online haters, picking apart videos for anything to whine about, but I just watched the youtube link above, and I found myself thinking about how small his forearms look from training that supposedly built such huge upper arms. I know you can always argue genetics,… and I’m not going to cast dispersions either way, but it does look a little odd.
S
arnold kind of had the same issue, relatively small forearms compared to upper arms.
if i remember right, on an episode of MD’s radio show a while back, flex said he used synthol ONCE in his biceps. it has most likely long since dissipated . he was a pretty frequent esiclene user, however, (along with levrone).
even the best of the best sometimes need a little extra, i guess.
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Any proof for this (just asking out of interest) ?
Gotta say that while his physique was great, I never really respected flex much (compared to yates or others like him who actually trained… Dillet is another one -even more extreme than flex in the genetics department though he was not an aesthetic guy- who slept through his sessions and grew anyway… But those 2 are very rare exceptions).
Also, Levrone was very strong. Rühl, who has been accused of oil use in his shoulders and biceps, is also extremely strong. That is why I don’t really believe the synthol accusations. How does oil make you smith-high-incline (delt exercise) 700 lbs for a double? Or 400-500 for 8 or whatever?
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Also, Levrone was very strong. Rühl, who has been accused of oil use in his shoulders and biceps, is also extremely strong. That is why I don’t really believe the synthol accusations. How does oil make you smith-high-incline (delt exercise) 700 lbs for a double? Or 400-500 for 8 or whatever?
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exactly and why wouldn’t Ruhl use it in his tri’s where it would have been needed? lol
[quote]Dirty Gerdy wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Also, Levrone was very strong. Rühl, who has been accused of oil use in his shoulders and biceps, is also extremely strong. That is why I don’t really believe the synthol accusations. How does oil make you smith-high-incline (delt exercise) 700 lbs for a double? Or 400-500 for 8 or whatever?
exactly and why wouldn’t Ruhl use it in his tri’s where it would have been needed? lol
[quote]Dirty Gerdy wrote:
Iron Dwarf wrote:
I agree, Stu. If Flex admits oil or Synth use in his book, then I’ve lost respect for the guy whom I once thought one of the greatest.
I feel compelled to buy the book just to find the truth.
I am very much against synthol use, but I wouldn’t drop flex as one of my all time favs just for that.
He still built one hell of a physique…even if parts where oil lol
DG[/quote]
You all don’t read the magazines much, huh? Flex never used synthol in his arms. He did use synthol in his delts one year and it was clear to people who knew what he looked like the year before. That was right before he got sick. Most of the pictures floating around of him were taken before that period before he ever used it at all.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Dirty Gerdy wrote:
Iron Dwarf wrote:
I agree, Stu. If Flex admits oil or Synth use in his book, then I’ve lost respect for the guy whom I once thought one of the greatest.
I feel compelled to buy the book just to find the truth.
I am very much against synthol use, but I wouldn’t drop flex as one of my all time favs just for that.
He still built one hell of a physique…even if parts where oil lol
DG
You all don’t read the magazines much, huh? Flex never used synthol in his arms. He did use synthol in his delts one year and it was clear to people who knew what he looked like the year before. That was right before he got sick. Most of the pictures floating around of him were taken before that period before he ever used it at all.[/quote]
hey remember i was just some young un when wheeler was in the mags. I was just out of diapers…er…well…maybe just hit puberty! lol I didn’t know bodybuilding quite yet. lol
jk
I think you may know the answer. In 2001 what was it that Jay Cutler was in trouble for using? I seem to recall he lost placement at the Iron man or Arnold or something no?
Just out of curiosity since we were on the synthol bandwagon. lol
Let me start by saying I am by know means knowledgeable about drug use / etc with professional bodybuilding, but I would think that conservative synthol use would be able to bring up a lagging bodypart without being very noticeable.
If that impression is accurate, I would think that a lot of pros would use it - why not?
[quote]Tumbles wrote:
Let me start by saying I am by know means knowledgeable about drug use / etc with professional bodybuilding, but I would think that conservative synthol use would be able to bring up a lagging bodypart without being very noticeable.
If that impression is accurate, I would think that a lot of pros would use it - why not?[/quote]
I have heard of people who use it to help with further stretching of the muscle tissue combined with AAS to lead to more growth. Sounds great in theory, but few have actually made it work.
Most people associate synthol use with somebody who just pumps a muscle full of oil making it appear larger and fuller without actually building muscle. Some do use this (stupidly) but the way it should properly be used is in the first paragraph.
The way I see it is that your body has to filter that crap out of your system somehow and can be very dangerous to one’s health. Also I don’t like fake. If it was a muscle builder I’d use it, but I don’t look at it like that. It can possibly cause small lumps within a muscle and thats not very attractive. lol
I could be wrong but I don’t think synthol use is as prevalent in bodybuilding today as it was 10 years ago.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Dirty Gerdy wrote:
Iron Dwarf wrote:
I agree, Stu. If Flex admits oil or Synth use in his book, then I’ve lost respect for the guy whom I once thought one of the greatest.
I feel compelled to buy the book just to find the truth.
I am very much against synthol use, but I wouldn’t drop flex as one of my all time favs just for that.
He still built one hell of a physique…even if parts where oil lol
DG
You all don’t read the magazines much, huh? Flex never used synthol in his arms. He did use synthol in his delts one year and it was clear to people who knew what he looked like the year before. That was right before he got sick. Most of the pictures floating around of him were taken before that period before he ever used it at all.[/quote]
Doc
That was a time when I rejected the big mags. I stopped my subscriptions due to the constant ads, and felt like I was being sold a bill of goods everytime I’d read a particular champ’s routine.
I’m a better educated lifter now, and can usually read through the BS (besides, I can’t dis MuscleMag because Robert Kennedy keeps me busy every month with illustration jobs… and I actually like the mag).
I agree with DG regarding Synth vs gear. One builds real muscle, and that’s the one I have no problem with.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Dirty Gerdy wrote:
Iron Dwarf wrote:
I agree, Stu. If Flex admits oil or Synth use in his book, then I’ve lost respect for the guy whom I once thought one of the greatest.
I feel compelled to buy the book just to find the truth.
I am very much against synthol use, but I wouldn’t drop flex as one of my all time favs just for that.
He still built one hell of a physique…even if parts where oil lol
DG
You all don’t read the magazines much, huh? Flex never used synthol in his arms. He did use synthol in his delts one year and it was clear to people who knew what he looked like the year before. That was right before he got sick. Most of the pictures floating around of him were taken before that period before he ever used it at all.
Doc
That was a time when I rejected the big mags. I stopped my subscriptions due to the constant ads, and felt like I was being sold a bill of goods everytime I’d read a particular champ’s routine.
I’m a better educated lifter now, and can usually read through the BS (besides, I can’t dis MuscleMag because Robert Kennedy keeps me busy every month with illustration jobs… and I actually like the mag).
I agree with DG regarding Synth vs gear. One builds real muscle, and that’s the one I have no problem with.[/quote]
Musclemag is a good one…Muscular Development is an awesome mag too.
It’s flex, M&F, and some of the others that get annoying. Iron Man and some of the other bodybuilding mags just don’t cut it when compared to MD and MM. lol
Any proof for this (just asking out of interest) ?
Gotta say that while his physique was great, I never really respected flex much (compared to yates or others like him who actually trained… Dillet is another one -even more extreme than flex in the genetics department though he was not an aesthetic guy- who slept through his sessions and grew anyway… But those 2 are very rare exceptions).
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the only proof i have is what he said himself in the interview.
i may try and find which episode it was, it was a pretty interesting interview anyways.
and whatever he did/used, flex at his peak had a perfect physique, imho - shear mass and ‘wow’ factor, conditon, proportion, lines, taper, he had it all.
Jay in 2001- I don;'t know if this is the actual reason, but I do know that for a while there, the pros were being tested for diurectics (apparently that was what was cauasing the medical problems so many BBers would experience during contests). If I recall correctly, I think Nasser failed a test one particular year (can’t remember particulars though).
[quote]Dirty Gerdy wrote:
slimthugger wrote:
Dirty Gerdy wrote:
Iron Dwarf wrote:
I agree, Stu. If Flex admits oil or Synth use in his book, then I’ve lost respect for the guy whom I once thought one of the greatest.
I feel compelled to buy the book just to find the truth.
I am very much against synthol use, but I wouldn’t drop flex as one of my all time favs just for that.
He still built one hell of a physique…even if parts where oil lol
DG
Just against synthol use…anything else?
nope just synthol use. Or implants…anything that isn’t dense muscle.
[quote]Dirty Gerdy wrote:
Tumbles wrote:
Let me start by saying I am by know means knowledgeable about drug use / etc with professional bodybuilding, but I would think that conservative synthol use would be able to bring up a lagging bodypart without being very noticeable.
If that impression is accurate, I would think that a lot of pros would use it - why not?
I have heard of people who use it to help with further stretching of the muscle tissue combined with AAS to lead to more growth. Sounds great in theory, but few have actually made it work.
Most people associate synthol use with somebody who just pumps a muscle full of oil making it appear larger and fuller without actually building muscle. Some do use this (stupidly) but the way it should properly be used is in the first paragraph.
The way I see it is that your body has to filter that crap out of your system somehow and can be very dangerous to one’s health. Also I don’t like fake. If it was a muscle builder I’d use it, but I don’t look at it like that. It can possibly cause small lumps within a muscle and thats not very attractive. lol
I could be wrong but I don’t think synthol use is as prevalent in bodybuilding today as it was 10 years ago.
my .02 anyways.
DG[/quote]
Yea, I’m not sure how I feel about it either. AAS are one thing, but implants/oil…
At least though anybody who successfully uses either of those things to have a great physique will have had to work hard - it’s not like a little bit of synthol use is going to have any significant impact on someone who didn’t look great to start with.
Lets face it synthol and implants are currently part of professional bodybuilding culture and are used and accepted to a degree - if it’s completely obvious (Ferrignos calve implants) you will be ridiculed for it, if it’s discrete and not excessive then chances are the person will get away with it. Even so I think both methods are pretty deplorable and you would have to be a pretty unhinged person to use either.
That’s the part that kills me. As a society, we’ve come to accept so much that is just wrong. No wonder bodybuilding is a joke to the general public… like bleach-blonds with huge implants.
Fake is on the take.
That’s the part that kills me. As a society, we’ve come to accept so much that is just wrong. No wonder bodybuilding is a joke to the general public… like bleach-blonds with huge implants.
Fake is on the take.[/quote]
I agree on implants and obvious synthol use. But. Again, please someone tell me how oil is going to let anyone press 700 lbs times 2 over their head in the smith with a hyper-wide grip. I wonder if this “every pro uses synthol these days” isn’t just plain bs. Else we wouldn’t see that many weak-points (DH’s biceps, Rühl’s triceps, heck, even Levrone’s forearms! If anyone thinks that Levrone used such substances… How come he never got the idea to pump his forearms and calves up a nothch? Or his lats?)
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Iron Dwarf wrote:
Acceptable?
That’s the part that kills me. As a society, we’ve come to accept so much that is just wrong. No wonder bodybuilding is a joke to the general public… like bleach-blonds with huge implants.
Fake is on the take.
I agree on implants and obvious synthol use. But. Again, please someone tell me how oil is going to let anyone press 700 lbs times 2 over their head in the smith with a hyper-wide grip. I wonder if this “every pro uses synthol these days” isn’t just plain bs. Else we wouldn’t see that many weak-points (DH’s biceps, Rühl’s triceps, heck, even Levrone’s forearms! If anyone thinks that Levrone used such substances… How come he never got the idea to pump his forearms and calves up a nothch? Or his lats?)[/quote]
Good points!
This gives me hope for BBing’s well being.
