I remember reading a portion of flex’s book, particularly on his precontest prep. The man has dedication, He’d be waking up early in the am with either a sauna suit and sweats, or multiple layers of sweats and just do treadmill work for an hour, afterwards he said he couldnt get off and his wife had to drag him to the shower(must be a strong lady).
anyway he had problems with diuretics and collapsed on stage once, I dont think he would be messing around with too many serious things to alter his body anymore.
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Iron Dwarf wrote:
Acceptable?
That’s the part that kills me. As a society, we’ve come to accept so much that is just wrong. No wonder bodybuilding is a joke to the general public… like bleach-blonds with huge implants.
Fake is on the take.
I agree on implants and obvious synthol use. But. Again, please someone tell me how oil is going to let anyone press 700 lbs times 2 over their head in the smith with a hyper-wide grip. I wonder if this “every pro uses synthol these days” isn’t just plain bs. Else we wouldn’t see that many weak-points (DH’s biceps, Rühl’s triceps, heck, even Levrone’s forearms! If anyone thinks that Levrone used such substances… How come he never got the idea to pump his forearms and calves up a nothch? Or his lats?)[/quote]
Most are NOT using it. SOME are. Most of the ones who are happen to stand out because of it. Synthol’ed muscle groups don’t look like natural muscle development. This may be hard to pick out if you are a beginner but it stands out very well to people who have followed this for a long time.
When Flex used it in his shoulders you could tell. That seems to be where most use it…their rear delts or lateral delts. Muscles like biceps show it most blatantly. There is one short stubby guy in NPC who clearly uses it in his biceps. They don’t even change shape when he flexes.
This is a non issue to most people. Most of the top ten on most stages are NOT using it because the use does stand out.
Thanks Doc.
I needed to hear that.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Iron Dwarf wrote:
Acceptable?
That’s the part that kills me. As a society, we’ve come to accept so much that is just wrong. No wonder bodybuilding is a joke to the general public… like bleach-blonds with huge implants.
Fake is on the take.
I agree on implants and obvious synthol use. But. Again, please someone tell me how oil is going to let anyone press 700 lbs times 2 over their head in the smith with a hyper-wide grip. I wonder if this “every pro uses synthol these days” isn’t just plain bs. Else we wouldn’t see that many weak-points (DH’s biceps, Rühl’s triceps, heck, even Levrone’s forearms! If anyone thinks that Levrone used such substances… How come he never got the idea to pump his forearms and calves up a nothch? Or his lats?)
Most are NOT using it. SOME are. Most of the ones who are happen to stand out because of it. Synthol’ed muscle groups don’t look like natural muscle development. This may be hard to pick out if you are a beginner but it stands out very well to people who have followed this for a long time.
When Flex used it in his shoulders you could tell. That seems to be where most use it…their rear delts or lateral delts. Muscles like biceps show it most blatantly. There is one short stubby guy in NPC who clearly uses it in his biceps. They don’t even change shape when he flexes.
This is a non issue to most people. Most of the top ten on most stages are NOT using it because the use does stand out.[/quote]
That’s what I was thinking as well (who’s the NPC guy you’re speaking of, btw?). I’ve seen Rühl train in person and all his standout bodyparts are also impossibly strong for reps (as I mentioned above, 700 lbs for a double on smith high inclines with the widest possible grip… Same grip and 500 lbs or so for 6-8 or whatever it was…)… Add to that that in one of his DVD’s you can clearly see that he was literally the same basic shape in his youth (after some training)… Round, stand-out shoulders and biceps but strangely small triceps.
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
(who’s the NPC guy you’re speaking of, btw?).
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I don’t know his name but looking the way he does, he won’t ever have to worry about too many others knowing it either. He has a HUGE gh gut, small shoulders, synthol’ed biceps and a relatively weak everything else. He is a classic example of someone with little in the way of genetics who thought he could “drug” his way into looking like a pro bodybuilder. He competes as a heavyweight but there is no way in hell you would look at him and want similar characteristics for yourself.
I would have to do a dvd capture to show a pic and that would take quite a bit of time to accomplish just to laugh at someone.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
(who’s the NPC guy you’re speaking of, btw?).
I don’t know his name but looking the way he does, he won’t ever have to worry about too many others knowing it either. He has a HUGE gh gut, small shoulders, synthol’ed biceps and a relatively weak everything else. He is a classic example of someone with little in the way of genetics who thought he could “drug” his way into looking like a pro bodybuilder. He competes as a heavyweight but there is no way in hell you would look at him and want similar characteristics for yourself.
I would have to do a dvd capture to show a pic and that would take quite a bit of time to accomplish just to laugh at someone.[/quote]
Yeah, don’t bother. I was just asking in case you knew his name.
I gotta follow the NPC more…
[quote]Dirty Gerdy wrote:
I have two questions if anybody has the answers:
1.) what is banned by the IFBB reguarding drug use, etc?
2.) What was Jay in trouble for back in 2001 when he was stripped of placement at the arnold or one of the shows???
I’ve wondered about those two things.
DG[/quote]
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Technically, all drug use in the IFBB is illegal, and they have regular testing procedures for it. This is all written in the IFBB regulations, but is never adhered to. This is why on the rare occasions that they actually went through with testing, (one of the olympias during Haney’s reign, the Arnold classic the year shawn ray won but was stripped and it was given to 2nd place mike ashley, and the 2001 Mr. olympia diuretics only test) it was announced to the athletes prior so they would come in prepared for it. This leads to your second question.
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In 2001, the issue was at the Mr. olympia, not the arnold. The IFBB announced a diuretics test for that show. Jay tested positive, but threatened legal recourse so nothing became of it.