[quote]fmaurice wrote:
Bodybuilders don’t need to run like a marathon runner bc they let their diet do the cutting… didn’t notice anyone comment about that. Also, you might be able to run less if you ate 30 less bananas a day, same goes for 3000 cal pasta… to get shredded that is.
Troll maybe? Never showed his face again…[/quote]
Blackaggar actually said that. Running just creates a deficit during the time, which can be accomplished with diet instead.[/quote]
Got it. For me, that would seem easier, so I can have a life.
Blackaggar, you get the credit lol, didn’t see your post.
1)BodyBuilders want to be shredded. Distance Runners ARE shredded.
2)Bodybuilders are muscular because of weight training. Distance runners are small becuase they dodge weight training.
3)BodyBuilders should run 15-24 miles a week. Marathoners run over 100 miles/week.
4)Bodybuilders want to be as lean as possible. Distance Runners want to be as lean as possible. [/quote]
1- Distance runners may APPEAR shredded because of the general lack of extra fat,… holocaust survivors let out of extended stays at camps came out looking similarly ‘shredded’ (I hope I didn’t offend anyone with that, didn’t mean to).
2-Distance runners are small because anyone doing that much work will not be able to maintain enough of a caloric equation where their body will be able to retain muscular size.
3-No one who wants to be a bodybuilder should run 15-24 miles a week. I ran track before I got into bodybuilding training, and would easily average 10-20 miles a week. Guess what,… even though I ate what I thought was a lot, I couldn’t put on any weight until I stopped running so much.
4- Distance runners are not as lean as possible. I can’t tell you how many skinny-FAT distance runners I’ve seen in my day. It’s a horrible testament to those who think running is the way to get a great physique.
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You see, there are some very important differences and similarities between the two. I want to draw emphasis to number two. [/quote]
Yes, there are indeed… YOU don’t know what you’re talking about, While PX, myself, and everyone else who jumped on your idiotic thread DO
I also want to draw emphasis to ‘number two’, specifically the number two of a thread you posted.
[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:
Is there a popular running forum where I can go and post pictures of Ronnie Coleman and complain that runners don’t do enough weight training?[/quote]
THIS! Lol
Please do btw… or at least posts from the OP
I lol’d at this thread. 5’11" 160 pounder telling X to run 24 miles a week does it for me. Could this be moved into GAL and evolve into another T-Nation attack on another forum? Like the quilting forum?
OK, So X is definitely way too big to do running as i’ve seen through the pictures.
Also, I never wanted people to train like a marathoner. That is extreme and FAR too much. if you train with the volume of a marathoner, you WILL eat muscle. I know this
I Sympathize with those with knee issues. I dont. I also run on softer trail surfaces so I get decent shock absorption.
I never said the guy was “swoll” by BB standards, he’s a twig. But that MILER is, if you be realistic, drastically larger than the stereotypical rail thin runner look.
buddaboy pulled out the John McCallum reference, which did recommend less than I did. Perhaps that’s from my running background that wants to add a little. Maybe I’ll find soon that I need to cut back a few miles/week in the next couple years.
I dont hate HIIT, I like it, I just think most HIIT workouts are too short. Not much, but can be extended 25-50% more (again, may be my runner background speaking mostly)
I revere most BB’ers from the 70’s (Zane, arnold, etc) over modern bodybuilders (sorry) and I’ve seen photos of them all running. Except maybe Lou Ferrigno. I watched him run in Hercules, and it was not pretty.
I still say running is a very good cardio choice that is villianized.
[quote]shicks wrote:
Ok. So, before pursuiting bodybuilding, I was a successful distance runner competing on the national level before a calf injury. All the bodybuilding sites I visit seem to have a massive phobia of running, thinking that distance running produces nothing but sticks. Let’s clarify a few points.
1)BodyBuilders want to be shredded. Distance Runners ARE shredded.
2)Bodybuilders are muscular because of weight training. Distance runners are small becuase they dodge weight training.
3)BodyBuilders should run 15-24 miles a week. Marathoners run over 100 miles/week.
4)Bodybuilders want to be as lean as possible. Distance Runners want to be as lean as possible.
You see, there are some very important differences and similarities between the two. I want to draw emphasis to number two. Look at Alan Webb (http://www.runnerspace.com/members/images/4/954_full.jpg). He is the american record holder in the mile, does over 100 miles a week running, and emphasises strength training more than other elite runners. See the lean mass he has while still composing muscularity? Running wont kill you. Stop being a pussy because cardio sucks and hit the roads.[/quote]
Wait…what?
You must be anorexic if you think “muscularity” and this guy is who pops in your head. Most bodybuilders do NOT want to look like Alan Webb.
Most bodybuilders also know how hard it is to put on real size if you are running 24 miles a week. That would be WHY all of those distance runners are so damned skinny
Even in season pro football players don’t expect to make much in the way of gains when their activity level is that great which is why most don’t make gains until the off season.
You seem confused or are a troll.[/quote]
He is very much a troll, probably from letsrun.com
also, why does everyone take my maximum and use that as my base. I said 15-24 tops! obviously, the bigger guys aren’t going to do 24. and those that don’t run shouldn’t pick up with 15. I guess that’s not really relevant, but that’s been bugging me in this thread.
I guess you can look at my original post and my last post as a political career. Make a big claim, then dive towards the middle
[quote]shicks wrote:
I’m just saying, Running’s become over villianized. I wanted to point out there are serious differences between bodybuilders training regimens and marathoners that have more effect than JUST the running. And yes, X, I realize i started at a super small weight (bane of excess running and NO weight training) and that i’m still just gotten to average or normal weight. It’s coming along though. If i remember correctly (it’s been a few months) but in arnold’s encyclopedia of modern bodybuilding, i feel like i remember him saying he ran about 3 miles every morning. That’s what turned me Back on to running. I’m not posting pics because 1) dont have them 2) cell phone plan doesn’t cover data transfers (only person without internet capable phone) and 3) I dont want to be one of those noobs in the RMP forums. I’ll put some up at 185lbs, maybe. [/quote]
I was a runner in a past life and I will say unreservedly that running is a complete and utter waste of fucking time for almost anyone unless you run for sport. There are two types of runners, people who compete in races and people who squander their time and energy on a totally unproductive activity. It gets demonized in bodybuilding circles because it is the antithesis of bodybuilding.
[quote]fmaurice wrote:
J/w… How is HIIT too short? Too short to be productive or too short for your liking?[/quote]
It’s productive. can’t deny that. I just think it can be a little more productive. Maybe not enough more to justify the extra energy for some people. But i would do a bit more out of that iota difference and partial enjoyment of the workout.
[quote]Diluted56 wrote:
I believe running does more damage than good if your doing just for “cosmetic purposes” [/quote]
This could be the big “aha” moment. I believe opposite (not the surprise) but… My goals are to reach 200-215 before hitting a stage (wanna try for a show in 2015 or 2016, should be enough time to put on proper mass).
If your goal is to be the BBer that pushes 300, totally disregard running. Completely. For a 300lb BBer, running is horrid.
[quote]shicks wrote:
. My goals are to reach 200-215 before hitting a stage (wanna try for a show in 2015 or 2016, should be enough time to put on proper mass).
If your goal is to be the BBer that pushes 300, totally disregard running. Completely. For a 300lb BBer, running is horrid.
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You make it sound like hitting 200-215 lbs is easy. Do you have any concept of what the hell you’re talking about? Maybe you should listen a bit to the people who have been runners as well as bodybuilders,… they all seem to disagree with your thinking (which to be honest, I have absolutely no clue how you even came to these ‘conclusions’ and exactly what they’re based on).
[quote]fmaurice wrote:
J/w… How is HIIT too short? Too short to be productive or too short for your liking?[/quote]
It’s productive. can’t deny that. I just think it can be a little more productive. Maybe not enough more to justify the extra energy for some people. But i would do a bit more out of that iota difference and partial enjoyment of the workout.
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Do a 5 minute warmup then do 15 minutes of intervals, each of those 15 minutes spend the first 45 secs going @ 50% and then last 15 secs go all out. Then cooldown for 10 minutes.
If you aren’t gasping for air and sweating your ass off @ the end of those 15 minutes of intervals you’re doing it wrong.
[quote]fmaurice wrote:
J/w… How is HIIT too short? Too short to be productive or too short for your liking?[/quote]
It’s productive. can’t deny that. I just think it can be a little more productive. Maybe not enough more to justify the extra energy for some people. But i would do a bit more out of that iota difference and partial enjoyment of the workout.
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Do a 5 minute warmup then do 15 minutes of intervals, each of those 15 minutes spend the first 45 secs going @ 50% and then last 15 secs go all out. Then cooldown for 10 minutes.
If you aren’t gasping for air and sweating your ass off @ the end of those 15 minutes of intervals you’re doing it wrong.[/quote]
See this is a 15 minute workout. I’ve seen HIIT programs with under 5 minute workouts (not including warm up/cool down) This would be pretty good, though i’d prefer 20 seconds all out. But we’re just splitting hairs there.
[quote]shicks wrote:
. My goals are to reach 200-215 before hitting a stage (wanna try for a show in 2015 or 2016, should be enough time to put on proper mass).
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You make it sound like hitting 200-215 lbs is easy.
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I never intended to say that it would be easy. That’s why it’s a 5 or 6 year goal. even then, that’s a pretty rapid development that will take an assload of work.
This could be the big “aha” moment. I believe opposite (not the surprise) but… My goals are to reach 200-215 before hitting a stage (wanna try for a show in 2015 or 2016, should be enough time to put on proper mass).
If your goal is to be the BBer that pushes 300, totally disregard running. Completely. For a 300lb BBer, running is horrid.
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Stop posting and don’t come back 'til you break 200, than post some pics, and we can resume this discussion.
Until than, this is one of the dumbest threads I’ve ever read. I hope Prof X continues to devour your insides.
