Okay, so this is probably going to be trashed as a “troll” post, but I figured I’d post it anyway to see if anyone has this issue.
I used to weight 138 lbs (i’m 5’8), and was a long distance runner. i was running about 50 miles a week, and was doing very well with pace. now as you can tell, i was weak as shit at 138, and i didn’t look that good either. so i decided to gain 40 lbs. and that’s where i stand today two yrs later
bench: 1rm from 110 to 235
squat: 1 rm from 185 to 350
dl: 1 rm from 225 to 375
NOW here’s my issue. I run like shit. When I try to run my formerly usual 5 miles, i cant do any better than an 8:30 pace. what the fuck.
Since you have not ran in 2 years its obvious you wont be at your same level. Just give it some time and you will build back up, its hard to be a great long distance runner and be strong and big though.
eat enough to keep your weight up. What are your goals? To be big and muscular but still run a 6 minute mile? I guess its possible, but be realistic with your goals
As you should know the aerobic conditioning needed for running, and other endurance activities, fades quickly when not being trained.
Happily strength fades more slowly if untrained.
You could train for endurance again and find your times improving, though you’d likely lose some muscle. Remember you’d be carrying the extra 40lb’s around with you. How about training for endurance for a couple of months then spend the rest of the year training for strength.
It’s a compromise i wouldnt like but may suit you.
Don’t expect to be a big lifter and turn in impressive 5 mile times though.
[quote]greystoke wrote:
quit the long distance crap, sprinters look way more athletic.
You can’t be built like a lion and run like a gazelle. But you can be the lion and have gazelle for dinner.[/quote]
i have to disagree here. im 215 lbs, I train like an animal most days, eat like one too. I also run at least twice a week around a forrest,couple of miles uphill and over various terrains.
I could easily run 4 or 5 miles and think nothing of it. I would hate to be my size and not be able to run long distances as well, i think its important for over all balance.
I can also sprint pretty quick too. a little bit of everything is the key
[quote]tg2hbk4488 wrote:
eat enough to keep your weight up. What are your goals? To be big and muscular but still run a 6 minute mile? I guess its possible, but be realistic with your goals[/quote]
oh another point I missed. I ran a mile in 5.25 one time. I find running long distance ok from my days of playing rugby where we were run into the ground.
[quote]irishpowerhouse wrote:
greystoke wrote:
quit the long distance crap, sprinters look way more athletic.
You can’t be built like a lion and run like a gazelle. But you can be the lion and have gazelle for dinner.
i have to disagree here. im 215 lbs, I train like an animal most days, eat like one too. I also run at least twice a week around a forrest,couple of miles uphill and over various terrains.
I could easily run 4 or 5 miles and think nothing of it. I would hate to be my size and not be able to run long distances as well, i think its important for over all balance.
I can also sprint pretty quick too. a little bit of everything is the key
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That’s exactly my opinion. Of course you have to focus on something, but balance is a good thing and it can be done. Don’t let anyone tell you you can’t train for strenght and endurance at the same time. That’s just not right. Think of football players or fighters.
Never said you couldn’t have endurance and strength. I will say if your chasing 2 birds, chances are you will catch neither. To be really good at one, not so much for the other.
Show me one elite distance runner carrying any mass, and I’ll show you a whole bunch of skinny assed Kenyans who’ll run you into the ground.
obviously I cant outrun a kenyan who weighs 80lbs. But I am able to run a good distance and at pace, and still lift iron. Look at the muscle marius pudzanowski has and he runs. Arnold used to run 3 miles per day as well.
people who train with weights and dont run or say its not possible to do both are narrow minded and lazy.
The Op said he used to run 50miles a week. I still say screw that. Gaurantee Marius dosn’t do alot, if any long distance running. I bet its alot more short burst stuff.
Running is ok, but the long distance stuff is a mass eater. Go ahead, run Forest run, just know the more you do, the smaller you will be. Every mile, there goes all that hard earned muscle.
It is all about goals, and what you want, I want size, my cardio is very light compared to some of the treadmill addicts out there. I do sprints and short burst stuff.
I have a friend who played D-1 football, got into bodybuilding and was a badass, at about 225 lbs. He went into the Army to be a Ranger, a few weeks later I saw him briefly…he was still a badass, only 180 lb badass. You figure it out. Oh yea, at 225 he ran distances, and at a good pace.
[quote]greystoke wrote:
The Op said he used to run 50miles a week. I still say screw that. Gaurantee Marius dosn’t do alot, if any long distance running. I bet its alot more short burst stuff.
Running is ok, but the long distance stuff is a mass eater. Go ahead, run Forest run, just know the more you do, the smaller you will be. Every mile, there goes all that hard earned muscle.
It is all about goals, and what you want, I want size, my cardio is very light compared to some of the treadmill addicts out there. I do sprints and short burst stuff.
I have a friend who played D-1 football, got into bodybuilding and was a badass, at about 225 lbs. He went into the Army to be a Ranger, a few weeks later I saw him briefly…he was still a badass, only 180 lb badass. You figure it out. Oh yea, at 225 he ran distances, and at a good pace.[/quote]
its funny you say that. I been running twice a week at least, for a few years now, and the strength keeps going up. So does the weight. To say that every mile you run just burns off muscle is an idiotic thing to say.
whatever…I guess all that cardio people are doing to loose weight is a waste of time. Oh shit! You mean I didn’t have to get up and get on that damn treadmill at 5:00 in the AM to get down to 4% bf. Hell, if what you say is right I should of gained weight. Son of A bitch! I feel so stupid. Gotta go…now where did I stash my jogging shorts?
People in the iron game dont do cardio to lose weight… it is to lose fat.
I dont see what your point is. I myself run twice a week, maybe for two miles. I am still able to make good gains in the gym, and I keep gaining muscle. So I had proved you wrong.
Obviously if you eat few calories and dont bump up protein consumption, then you are going to lose mass.
You can do both if you eat smart, lift smart, and run in a way that you dont completely burn yourself out.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
running 5 miles with an 8:30 pace? I’d take that, granted I’ve always hated running.
but from a leisure standpoint and health standpoint what’s the point of going faster than that?
it’d be different if it was only 1 mile, but 5 miles at 8:30 each sounds decent to me :shrug:[/quote]
Sounds decent to me too. Just train cardo once a week and you should maintain it alright while your gaining size, just eat more cals and dont burn yourself out just like homeboy above said.