[quote]fmaurice wrote:
J/w… How is HIIT too short? Too short to be productive or too short for your liking?[/quote]
It’s productive. can’t deny that. I just think it can be a little more productive. Maybe not enough more to justify the extra energy for some people. But i would do a bit more out of that iota difference and partial enjoyment of the workout.
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Do a 5 minute warmup then do 15 minutes of intervals, each of those 15 minutes spend the first 45 secs going @ 50% and then last 15 secs go all out. Then cooldown for 10 minutes.
If you aren’t gasping for air and sweating your ass off @ the end of those 15 minutes of intervals you’re doing it wrong.[/quote]
See this is a 15 minute workout. I’ve seen HIIT programs with under 5 minute workouts (not including warm up/cool down) This would be pretty good, though i’d prefer 20 seconds all out. But we’re just splitting hairs there.
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That’s what I figured, you looked at some random HIIT for beginners who have never done cardio and don’t have a good max vo2.
My next responce was do 15-20 min of it, or try. Either someone will:quit/puke; pass out, get close but fail, or if they are in awesome shape they will be humbled.
so x2 to 15+ minutes.
Side note:
This is exercise, right? If someone told you to do 30lb db presses would you say dumbbell presses b/c you didn’t get results from them?
You should increase the weights, increase the T.O.T., make them explosive, try negatives, etc.
Same things goes w/ HIIT. Increase intervals, Decrease rest-sprint ratio, increase resting pace from walk to job to run… list goes on…
OR get a prowler and forget how to run and learn to push…
Shicks, I’d advise you to do the same thing I did when I started training this last time. Flush everything you think you know about training and nutrition and start from square one.
I’ve been paying attention and learning from these guys for a little over two years now, and I’ve gone from 170lbs to a bit over 220. I’ve gained some fat, which is necessary, but nothing that a 12 week diet can’t take care of (which starts soon).
It all started with one moment of clarity: “My way of doing things doesn’t work. Could it be that I don’t know shit?”
This could be the big “aha” moment. I believe opposite (not the surprise) but… My goals are to reach 200-215 before hitting a stage (wanna try for a show in 2015 or 2016, should be enough time to put on proper mass).
If your goal is to be the BBer that pushes 300, totally disregard running. Completely. For a 300lb BBer, running is horrid.
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Stop posting and don’t come back 'til you break 200, than post some pics, and we can resume this discussion.
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That’s just mean. He’s not going to get close to 200 running all over the damn place. You basically told him to never come back
This could be the big “aha” moment. I believe opposite (not the surprise) but… My goals are to reach 200-215 before hitting a stage (wanna try for a show in 2015 or 2016, should be enough time to put on proper mass).
If your goal is to be the BBer that pushes 300, totally disregard running. Completely. For a 300lb BBer, running is horrid.
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Stop posting and don’t come back 'til you break 200, than post some pics, and we can resume this discussion.
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That’s just mean. He’s not going to get close to 200 running all over the damn place. You basically told him to never come back
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I just told my sedentary mother about this thread and she says “It makes no sense to run long distances when trying to put on muscle mass. It’s called BBing because you’re building your body; running has the opposite effect.”
That’s sad that she can grasp this concept better than this ‘buff marathon runner’.
[quote]Nikki9591 wrote:
I just told my sedentary mother about this thread and she says “It makes no sense to run long distances when trying to put on muscle mass. It’s called BBing because you’re building your body; running has the opposite effect.”
That’s sad that she can grasp this concept better than this ‘buff marathon runner’.[/quote]
LOL’d at this… Wonder how the OP feels on that
[quote]Stuntman Mike wrote:
Also, and I’m not sure if this had been addressed,
but running is fucking boring, seriously.[/quote]
its so true and if it isn’t even necessary in most cases why the hell would i waste my time? And about the shredded comment… that’s not always true, i had a teacher in high school who was a distance runner and she was actually kind of fat. My friend who did his first race told me how surprised he was at how out of shape many people looked. I cant imagine myself running miles (which would be technically training longer then i do now) and miles for 2 or more hours every day and still looking like a piece of shit.
Your weight “gain” is amusing. I ran cross country in college, typically averaging around 80 miles a week. At 6’2, I was a whopping 162 lbs at my heaviest competing weight. And this was often while eating upwards of 4000 calories a day (yes i measured).
From when I graduated in 2009 to now, I’ve put on well over 50 lbs, and I’ll say this, eating enough and lifting hard enough to get to 220 was a HELL of a lot harder than just running 80 miles a week. And yeah, I had to just about quit running altogether just to gain that weight. Your argument is childish.
Most times, runners think that they can over eat to compensate for the running. What sucks though is they run for hours, thinking that they burned 4000 calories and suprise, they burned less than 1000.
Running sucks on so many levels. That’s definetely one of them. I refuse to run for an hour and cancel it with a medium McD’s fries.
[quote]shicks wrote:
Ok. So, before pursuiting bodybuilding, I was a successful distance runner competing on the national level before a calf injury. All the bodybuilding sites I visit seem to have a massive phobia of running, thinking that distance running produces nothing but sticks. Let’s clarify a few points.
1)BodyBuilders want to be shredded. Distance Runners ARE shredded.
2)Bodybuilders are muscular because of weight training. Distance runners are small becuase they dodge weight training.
3)BodyBuilders should run 15-24 miles a week. Marathoners run over 100 miles/week.
4)Bodybuilders want to be as lean as possible. Distance Runners want to be as lean as possible.
You see, there are some very important differences and similarities between the two. I want to draw emphasis to number two. Look at Alan Webb (http://www.runnerspace.com/members/images/4/954_full.jpg). He is the american record holder in the mile, does over 100 miles a week running, and emphasises strength training more than other elite runners. See the lean mass he has while still composing muscularity? Running wont kill you. Stop being a pussy because cardio sucks and hit the roads.[/quote]
Most athletes are “shredded” or at least VERY lean (<10%). What does this have to do with anything?
Most distance runners who are on top of their game in this era do NOT dodge weight training. What does this have to do with anything anyway?
Uh, WHY? Most bodybuilders, powerlifters, and Olympic lifters don’t locomote faster than a damn walk. And why should they, considering they don’t compete in running and spend far too much time in a gym lifting because that’s what’s required of them and engaging in too much NON-SPECIFIC training (you know, training for YOUR SPECIFIC endeavor) will hurt progress!
Bodybuilders want to be lean and muscular as possible. Distance runners want to be successful in distance running. Case closed.
Hardly any successful bodybuilders run. Most of them weigh in excess of 220 pounds at average height! Not to mention the fact that their weight training sessions and volume are nothing like that of distance runners. You try busting your ass lifting 6 times per week on a bodypart split and see how much room in your life or energy you have left to log 25 miles of running also.
Likewise, we should all start telling experienced runners to log >6 hrs per week of weight training into their programs on top of their 70+ m/wk workload instead of their 1 to 3 full body sessions. We’ll see how those 5k to marathon training times come down. LOL!
