Sorry for all the questions but as I mentioned previously, this is going to be my first run with IGF and MGF, so I am a newbie in this area. I will reconstitue the IGF with AA and keep the pins in my bag at the gym.
I was planning of shooting right after my workout at the gym. How long do I have after I add NaCl to inject? Could I possibly add the NaCl before I go to the gym?
Slin pins work best and no pain. It does not matter if you thin or chubby. The gage is for the liquid to flow not your body type.
MGF and IGF cannot be in the same pin. AA will kill the MGF. Do not shot both in the same day. The IGF will not work. MGF must be shot 24 hours before next IGF shot.
I did MGF Sunday morning then IGF M-F.
I’ll try to find more info for you.
[quote]2thepain wrote:
Sorry for all the questions but as I mentioned previously, this is going to be my first run with IGF and MGF, so I am a newbie in this area. I will reconstitue the IGF with AA and keep the pins in my bag at the gym.
I was planning of shooting right after my workout at the gym. How long do I have after I add NaCl to inject? Could I possibly add the NaCl before I go to the gym?[/quote]
Add the nacl before you inject.
Chemical- so you only shot MGF once a week. What dose did you shoot on that day? What dose were you running the IGF at M-F? What was the result of your cycle, weight/bodyfat etc? Again, sorry for the interrigation but I have bought a good amount of these peptides and am anxious to start, but the more research I do the more questions I come up with. Thanks for all your help.
I ran 250 MGF on sunday morning. IGF m-f 50mcg split(25) in muscle worked that day. EX. mon. chest 25mcg in each pec. When I got home from the gym I did as many push-ups as I could to pump the muscle up, than injected. I did’nt want to do it at the gym because I really needed a mirror.
I noticed my muscles were more vascular, but it takes a good 6 months for the new cells to mature. I did this cycle for 4 weeks and it ended this week. I’m running an aas cycle with it. I’m going to do another 4 weeks after 4 weeks off. This was my second time with IGF and first with MGF.
If I do this again I would shot MGF 200mcg sun. and wed. IGF M,T,TH,F and maybe SAT.
Are you on AAS?
To me, it makes more sence to be on cycle while taking IGF/MGF.
I did alot of research on this and if you have any other questions I’ll be glad to help.
Just to clarify, you are shooting the MGF bilaterally like you would IGF. I am just coming off an AAS cycle and wanted to run a couple of MGF/IGF cycles before I hit a massive winter bulking cycle.
The 2x a week MGF sounds good to me and it would work out with my current training split. I understand that the new cells will take longer to mature but did you notice any changes while on the cycle? Thanks again.
Yes bilaterally, with MGF but if you have pegmgf you can shot it sub-q, in your stomach or whatever. I did have pegmgf but chose to shoot it bilat. IM. It will work either way.
I noticed to look more “pumped-up”.I still look the same after stopping a week ago. I’m not sure if it will go away of not. I’ll keep you posted.
I’m not sure about strenght increase because in on a bulker running 850/mg test e, 600/mg EQ, 300mg deca, so it’s hard to tell if the igf did anaything.
You will have increased muscle pumps as well.
Don’t forget if you shooting tris with igf their are 3 muscles, make sure to hit them all, but not on the same day of course. Bis have 2 as well. Do a search on injecting and you’ll see what I mean.
What does you mgf/igf cycle look like?
My planned cycle protocol has changed several times over the last couple weeks but for now I am thinking: Mon-IGF 40mcg (20/20) in shoulders, Tues-IGF 40mcg in biceps, Wed-IGF 40mcg in chest, Thur- MGF 150mcg in quads, Fri- IGF 40mcg in Triceps, Sat- IGF 40mcg in traps, and Sun- MGF 40mcg in shoulders. Does this look OK? I hope to start in about 2 weeks and run this for 4 weeks.
Is your Mgf, pegmgf? If so it effects all your muscles not just quads. It’s different from igf where its not specific site growth. If you inject in quads it will still effect your pecs,traps, tris and so on, understand.
I would bump up sun mgf to 150 also. 300 total a week.
Everything else looks good.
I have pegMGF, is there absolutley 0 site specific growth with pegMGF, or just very little compared to IGF? If there is nothing than I will probably shoot both sun and thurs in my quads 150mcg each day.
With all the research i have done i would say 0. Since its peg you can shoot it in you belly fat like hgh. I shot it in my pecs because it was the easiest and painless.
I am currently coming off a cutting cycle and doing a test taper. I will start the IGF/MGF protocol the second week of August. I will run a 5 week cycle and probably run another 5 week IGF/MGF cycle five weeks ahead of my massive test/tren/drol cycle this winter. I am excited to use these new peptides. Thanks for all the help.
Good Luck, let me know how it works out for you.
One last thing, if there is 0 site growth from the pegMGF, then is it possible to just shoot it in one side or should I still shoot bilaterally? Last question I swear.
Sorry, as I reread the post you already answered that for me. I will repost after my cycle ends with stats and progress.
I just got done with a cycle of IGF-1 and I was very pleased, although from my experience shooting bilaterally is not needed. I was targeting my lacking muscle groups as one arm is smaller than the other (as well as one calf being smaller than the other) and noticed no specific site injection growth.
The largest increase I had was an increase in strength over the month. I’m sure more muscle gains will be coming but I did add a few pounds. The pumps in the gym were definitely more than I was expecting. I also dropped 1% bodyfat which was surprising because I was eating like Dave Tate used to. I was in the range of 4,000cals a day with about a 80/20 split of clean to junk food.
During the cycle my knees and lower back felt great, which was the main reason for me starting the cycle.
Just thought I would share my experience!
[quote]2thepain wrote:
Sorry, as I reread the post you already answered that for me. I will repost after my cycle ends with stats and progress.[/quote]
What needle do you plan on shooting your quads with? I was using slin needles for my IGF-1 and those little things couldn’t cut it when I tried to shoot my quads. I stuck with triceps, shoulders, and calves.
Also, from what I learned get the 1/2cc slin needles. I had the 1cc and it was impossible to measure out such small amount for IGF-1.
Thanks for the input Crew. Did you use any MGF or just straight IGF? Would you recommend that I bump up my calorie intake? During my cutting cycle this summer I was at 4,000. But normally I will eat 6,000-7,000 during a bulking cycle.
If the added calories are needed to build extra cells I will need to revise my diet. I have rather defined quads with little fat, but if I can’t get into the muscle I will double up on shoulders. All my slin pins are 1/2cc, I knew I’d be working with small amounts.
One more question, how much Nacl did you add to the IGF before shooting, was it a painful injection?
[quote]CrewPierce wrote:
2thepain wrote:
Sorry, as I reread the post you already answered that for me. I will repost after my cycle ends with stats and progress.
What needle do you plan on shooting your quads with? I was using slin needles for my IGF-1 and those little things couldn’t cut it when I tried to shoot my quads. I stuck with triceps, shoulders, and calves.
Also, from what I learned get the 1/2cc slin needles. I had the 1cc and it was impossible to measure out such small amount for IGF-1.[/quote]
I use #29 x .5" x .5ml for HCG and T. I inject T into the quads and have injected HCG into the quads and SQ. Also using the same size for IGF-1 IM and SQ.
For larger muscle groups, you might want a longer needle if you think that you need to deliver to deeper tissues.
Note that if your supply of .5-.6% acetic acid is sufficient, you can make up your IGF=1 to be .5ml per ml instead of the standard 1.0mg/ml. Then you will be drawing up twice as much into the syringe. You will also want more NaCl water in the syringe from a comfort point of view. The merits of this may be greater for injecting smaller doses than for larger.
For HCG, you can make up 2000iu/ml instead of 1000iu/ml to reduce injection volumes. I load .5ml and shoot 4 times, cleaning the needle with a swab before returning it to refrigeration. As I am on TRT, this saves me 136 syringes per year.
I do the same for my injected test cyp and that brings the total [savings] to 272 syringes per year. Many diabetics have done this needle reuse and don’t have problems. Not something that anyone with HIV or immune suppressing drugs should do.
KS-
For me I go with a larger needle for quads, the slin ones actually hurt more than the larger ones for me. (Too small, not large enough to pierce the muscle, I dunno) As for the NaCl water I usually doubled its volume compared to how much IGF-1 I put in.
OP-
I used straight IGF-1 but next time I’ll be trying pegMGF. I think you’ll find that you’ll be eating more cals than whatever it is you plan because IGF-1 increases your hunger a good bit. I doubt I was taking in anywhere near 7,000 usually I top out at about 4,500 because for 8hrs a day I’m sitting on my ass at work and build fat easily.