A Good Bulking Cycle

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I am starting this thread to keep a log of my next bulking cycle. I have never used this large amount of AAS before and have added in IGF,MGF and insulin into the mix. I will take my first injection Dec 9. The reason for starting this thread a little early is to get some last minute feedback before I start it up. So here is the outline of my cycle, what do you think?

Weeks 1-12: Test E 1000mg/week
Weeks 1-12: Tren E 600mg/week
Weeks 1-6: Dbol 50mg/day
Weeks 1-12: Adex .75mg/day then tapered off
Weeks 3-12: HCG 250mcg 2x a week
Weeks 13-24: Test taper
Weeks 25-28: Nolv is I feel needed
Weeks 1-5: pegMGF 400mcg/week
Weeks 13-15: IGF 200mcg/week
Weeks 6-10: Humalog insulin up to 10iu/4 days a week

I also take creatine, milk thistle, B6, ZMA, Fish Oil, CoQ10 and multi vitamins

I will post stats, training, and diet details in the next couple of days. For now I just want to see how this looks to everyone.

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that’s a lot of gear man. what is the purpose of doing the MFG, IGF, Slin at different times? why not at the same time?

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I know you’re going to taper the test, but why 27 weeks? That’s bit long and a waste of gear if you ask me. Good Luck though.

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[quote]FuriousGeorge wrote:
that’s a lot of gear man. what is the purpose of doing the MFG, IGF, Slin at different times? why not at the same time?[/quote]

I would like to keep the gains coming the entire cycle. Usually when I get to about week 8 I start to see minimal gains, by adding in the additional compounds I hope to extend my gains throughout the entire cycle.

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[quote]EastCoaster wrote:
I know you’re going to taper the test, but why 27 weeks? That’s bit long and a waste of gear if you ask me. Good Luck though.[/quote]

My AAS cycle itself is only 12 weeks, I will then taper down to 100mg/week for 5 weeks and then taper down to zero. So most of those weeks are actually PCT.

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[quote]InTheZone wrote:
2thepain wrote:
I am starting this thread to keep a log of my next bulking cycle. I have never used this large amount of AAS before and have added in IGF,MGF and insulin into the mix. I will take my first injection Dec 9. The reason for starting this thread a little early is to get some last minute feedback before I start it up. So here is the outline of my cycle, what do you think?

Weeks 1-12: Test E 1000mg/week
Weeks 1-12: Tren E 600mg/week
Weeks 1-6: Dbol 50mg/day
Weeks 1-12: Adex .75mg/day then tapered off
Weeks 3-12: HCG 250mcg 2x a week
Weeks 13-24: Test taper
Weeks 25-28: Nolv is I feel needed
Weeks 1-5: pegMGF 400mcg/week
Weeks 13-15: IGF 200mcg/week
Weeks 6-10: Humalog insulin up to 10iu/4 days a week

I also take creatine, milk thistle, B6, ZMA, Fish Oil, CoQ10 and multi vitamins

I will post stats, training, and diet details in the next couple of days. For now I just want to see how this looks to everyone.

      Wow, man that looks monstrous big guy.

I’m sure it’s going to produce some mindblowing results.
I am just in wonder and amazement basicly…

      Dec 9th, look out! Seriously though, I can't wait to see how it goes for you. Are you going to post your workouts here and all? If you could put stats in the mix before and after that would be cool too. The more before/after the better. Pics too? Just a thought, your privacy is your own, but it sure would be cool.

             Good luck and you did a great job of planning shit out bro. Holy cow this is gonna be exciting.

                 best,
                ToneBone[/quote]

I will do some starting stats and go over my workouts and diet as well. Sorry, no pics though. I will try to be rather detailed as I hope this is going to be a good read for some fellow members of the Nation. I don’t have much time tonight so I will add them tomorrow.

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Wow. That looks like a great (and expensive!) cycle. Also looks like you are using the combination I am most curious about now, test-tren, at what appears to be a good ratio.

I will put up one more request for pics as well, even though I already heard you say no. Is there no way you could block out face, etc? Or are there tattoos that would be a complete giveaway?

Also, I’d like to hear what your specific goals are in this cycle? How many lbs do you intend/expect to gain? Any areas of focus? Stats at start?

Good luck with this. I am really looking forward to following this thread!

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[quote]Cortes wrote:
Wow. That looks like a great (and expensive!) cycle. Also looks like you are using the combination I am most curious about now, test-tren, at what appears to be a good ratio.

I will put up one more request for pics as well, even though I already heard you say no. Is there no way you could block out face, etc? Or are there tattoos that would be a complete giveaway?

Also, I’d like to hear what your specific goals are in this cycle? How many lbs do you intend/expect to gain? Any areas of focus? Stats at start?

Good luck with this. I am really looking forward to following this thread![/quote]

I have two give away scars on my abdominal area (one operation and one cut from a fight), and I don’t have a digital camera so pics are still a no, sorry. I hope to get my bodyweight back up to 230 prior to starting the cycle, (I have been sick for the last 3 weeks and lost about 5 lbs).

During the cycle I would like to get to at least 245, but 250 would be excellent. More than the weight I would like to break all of my old PRs. I will post beginning stats on day one, like I said I am playing catch up right know. I have about a week and a half to do so.

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My training has recently been changed so I will probably ride out this split until the end of the cycle.

Mon: abs
Tues: bench/triceps
Wed: back
Thurs: squat/deadlift
Fri: boxing
Sat: shoulders/traps
Sun: biceps/forearms/neck

I am using the conjugate method for squat, deadlift and shoulders. For squat my main exercises are squats, pause squats, box squats, and manta ray squats. Isolation movements include leg press, hack squat, seated curls, leg ext and lunges. For deadlift my main exercises are sumo deadlift, rack pulls, RDLs, good mornings and conventional deadlifts. Isolation work is basically back extensions which are the end of every leg/dead workout. For shoulders my main movements are push presses, military press, DB military press, smith military press and Arnold presses. Isolation movements are some form of front, lateral and rear delt raise.

My bench training is centered on strictly flat bench using the 5x5 method. For auxiliary bench movements I use a combination which includes neutral grip DB press, incline DB press, Hammer Press, blast strap weighted push ups, and board presses (2-3 board), floor presses and rack lock outs (not all on the same day of course).

My back, trap, bicep and ab training is not set up on a strict schedule or method, I go mainly by feel and have several guidelines that I follow.

It is important that I note that I do not follow the Westside ME day protocol. I use submaximal weight (80-85%) for my main lifts and make small progressions off those numbers each week. When I feel that I can break a PR then I designate a day to attempt that lift. I may not do a PR lift until later in the cycle but I will be sure to make mention of it when it comes up. The main numbers I would like to see by the end of this are�?�…

Bench: 405
Squat: 500
Deadlift: 600

If I can get even one of these I will be happy but I will try to make all of them.

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[quote]2thepain wrote:
The main numbers I would like to see by the end of this are�?�…

Bench: 405
Squat: 500
Deadlift: 600

If I can get even one of these I will be happy but I will try to make all of them.

[/quote]

Those are some nice numbers. I might have missed it but how far off are you now?

I noticed you were aiming for about a 15lb gain for this cycle. With such a strong cycle, it that the number you hope to keep after or during? It seems like you would be able to hit that on cycle pretty easy, though I don’t know your diet plan…Look forward to the log.

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[quote]MrZsasz wrote:
2thepain wrote:
The main numbers I would like to see by the end of this are�?�…

Bench: 405
Squat: 500
Deadlift: 600

If I can get even one of these I will be happy but I will try to make all of them.

Those are some nice numbers. I might have missed it but how far off are you now?

I noticed you were aiming for about a 15lb gain for this cycle. With such a strong cycle, it that the number you hope to keep after or during? It seems like you would be able to hit that on cycle pretty easy, though I don’t know your diet plan…Look forward to the log.[/quote]

My current Raw PRs are Bench 395, Squat 455, and Deadlift 561. As of right now I can probably bench 365, squat 425 (I know this sucks) and my deadlift is right around 561.

I am only hoping to get 15-20 lbs out of this cycle because I want to keep it reachable. I tend to only gain about 15 lbs off of bulking cycles anymore (I have more than a couple under my belt). By adding in the additional compounds I would like to get that 20 lbs. The most I have ever weighed previously was 238 last winter. So honestly I will be happy after I get past 240. If I get to 250 I want to stay a lean 240 through summer, then get at it again next winter. I will add in my proposed diet soon.

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Basically what I do for squats is constant 4 week cycles of various lifts. So for example 4 weeks squats/4 weeks pause squats/4 weeks squats/4 weeks box squats/4 weeks squats/4 weeks manta ray squats. Only 1 major squat movement each day.

I also deadlift on the same day as squats and that split goes 4 weeks RDL/4 weeks rack pull/ 4 weeks sumo deadlifts/ 4 weeks good mornings. The only difference in deadlifts is that after each 4 week cycle I take a week off and then deadlift on the 6th week, then I start over the next week with a new wave. It sounds a little confusing but on paper it makes more sense.

My deadlift movement usually follows my squat movement and then 2-3 various leg lifts after those. Then calves and back ext to finish.

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My diet is very strict in the fact that I eat the exact same things Mon-Sat. Sunday is my cheat day but I still manage to make my calorie needs and consume a lot of protein every two hours. This is my diet for the start of the cycle and should allow for good gains to begin but as I grow I may need to add in additional calories to keep making gains so this could change as I get further into the cycle.

Kcal: 6300
Protein: 490 grams
Carbs: 800 grams
Fats: 130 grams

Protein: 30%
Carbs: 50%
Fats 20%

I will consume mainly skim milk, lean ground beef, hash browns, oats, apple juice, yogurt, whey protein, bananas, strawberries, blueberries, turkey sandwiches, whole grain bread and peanut butter. These are split up into 9 meals.

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[quote]2thepain wrote:
MrZsasz wrote:
2thepain wrote:
The main numbers I would like to see by the end of this are�?�…

Bench: 405
Squat: 500
Deadlift: 600

If I can get even one of these I will be happy but I will try to make all of them.

Those are some nice numbers. I might have missed it but how far off are you now?

I noticed you were aiming for about a 15lb gain for this cycle. With such a strong cycle, it that the number you hope to keep after or during? It seems like you would be able to hit that on cycle pretty easy, though I don’t know your diet plan…Look forward to the log.

My current Raw PRs are Bench 395, Squat 455, and Deadlift 561. As of right now I can probably bench 365, squat 425 (I know this sucks) and my deadlift is right around 561.

I am only hoping to get 15-20 lbs out of this cycle because I want to keep it reachable. I tend to only gain about 15 lbs off of bulking cycles anymore (I have more than a couple under my belt). By adding in the additional compounds I would like to get that 20 lbs. The most I have ever weighed previously was 238 last winter. So honestly I will be happy after I get past 240. If I get to 250 I want to stay a lean 240 through summer, then get at it again next winter. I will add in my proposed diet soon.[/quote]

I figured it was a combination of you being a big guy, this not being your first bulk, and wanting to keep most of the weight post cycle. But thanks for clearing it up.

Oh, and a 425lb only sucks on the internet. In that crazy place called “reality”, it’s not often I’ve see even 315 done with any mark of a true squat form.

But your goal numbers would just roll off the tongue if you were ever asked. I’m betting you’ll get there and then some…

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[quote]InTheZone wrote:
Oh, and a 425lb only sucks on the internet. In that crazy place called “reality”, it’s not often I’ve see even 315 done with any mark of a true squat form.

      So true. Good point Z. I love the way things get "exaggerated" by some guys once they're behind the keyboard. Though for the majority of the vets who speak here, I believe them, and think they possess a lot of integrity. I really enjoy and have learned a lot from the many vets on this forum. 

           About a week to go there eh 2the?

                    ToneBone[/quote]

Outside of this particular forum, I doubt 90% of the numbers I see casually thrown up. I’m weaker than the average guy my size, but it seems like every 17 year old kid on the rate my physique forum can rep out 3 plates on the bench, squat 4 and dead 5. My asshair.

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My injections for the test and tren will be on Tues/Thurs/Sun using only dorsogluteal and vastus lateralis sites. I will be shooting 8ml total per week IM using 1" 25gauge needles.

My pegMGF injections will be done in shoulders only using a 1/2" 29gauge insulin needle. I will shoot these IM on Sat and Wed using 200mcg per injection

The HCG will be shot on Tues and Thurs using 1/2" 29gauge insulin needles. I will shoot this IM into the shoulders at 250mcg per injection.

The IGF will be shot PWO IM on Tues/Wed/Thurs/Sat/Sun into chest, shoulders, and quads depending on muscles worked that day. I will use 1/2" 29gauge insulin needles using 40mcg per injection.

The insulin will be shot PWO SubQ into abdominal fat on Tues/Thurs/Sat/Sun. I will use a 1/2" 29gauge insulin needle and will use a pyramid injection protocol. I will shoot 2iu the first day 4iu the next and 6iu the third until I reach app. 10iu in which I will stay for the duration of use.

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My first injection will be on Sun, 375mg/test and 225mg/tren. Dbol dosing will be done the same everyday, (10mg/morn, 20mg/pre-workout, 10mg/post-workout, and 10mg/bedtime).

Starting measurments: (Cold)

Shoulders: 55.25"
Chest: 50.125"
Arms: 17.00"
Waist: 34.25"
Thighs: 26.00"

I am lucky in the fact that both my right and left sides are equal. Only a couple years ago I was very left dominant but the right side has caught up as of late.

I forgot to weigh this morning so I will post that tomorrow morning.

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I will have first injection tomorrow. Todays starting weight was 228. Bodyfat is at about 12%. I have good vascularity in arms/forearms but I have lost 2 of my abdominal muscles since summer:( I will admit that I am a little pissed about my weight.

After my IGF PCT last cycle I got up to 232 and kept it for a long time. I got sick for three weeks and lost a bit of it. I really wanted to start in the 230s but whatever. I have been off AAS for 20 weeks and hopefully I will respond well to my cycle.

As a side note I am researching and considering using GHRP-6 as part of my PCT in the same way that Sota did. He has had very good results but I have a lot more to learn before I make up my mind for sure.

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I just shot 3 ml of tren (225mg)and test (375mg) into my right dorsogluteal. My dbol dosing has also started this morning. I usually respond rather quickly to test so I hope to have good results in a weeks time. I will weigh again friday and every friday from then on.

I love the feeling of first coming on a cycle. Not that I don’t take training seriously all the time but there is something about starting a cycle and being pumped for every workout.

I should note that I hate shooting glutes because I am not very flexible. Regardless the injection went fine with no pain. Although my right cheek now feels full;)

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Good luck with this one. Im interested in the results.