First Cycle: Test Enanthate

Pharma
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[quote]Detroitlionsbaby wrote:
Cortes, you are jacked.

very impressive.[/quote]

Thanks Dlb, I appreciate the compliment.

To GIJoe: You’re right, I’ve really offered nothing of substance at this point. Here is my advice to the OP: Stop injecting yourself with exogenous hormones of any kind. Get out of this forum. Spend a year or two on other areas of this site like Supps and Nutrition, Bodybuilding, Thibs area, and reading the articles and subsequent discussions. After the knowledge you have gained from doing this has led you to put on at the very least 20 more pounds of lean mass, then come back here and only read for 6 months or so, all the while spending time reading other resources on AAS. After that time, then start asking questions and proposing cycles and look back to this thread to see what 180 degrees of difference looks like.

This advice is as good as it’s gonna get for you this time around, and it aint gonna get any better until you take it. Don’t expect the drugs to work the magic that you haven’t been able to achieve on your own. You look like you just escaped Auschwitz. I cannot think of anybody, anybody I know of who started out looking cycling looking like you do and ended up achieving anything of significance.

Sorry to once again be the mean old Steroid Forum poster who tells the truth while everybody else wants to be the nice guy and offer cycle suggestions to this kid who CLEARLY has NO business using these drugs. If that makes me a dick, so be it.

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[quote]Cortes wrote:
Sorry to once again be the mean old Steroid Forum poster who tells the truth while everybody else wants to be the nice guy and offer cycle suggestions to this kid who CLEARLY has NO business using these drugs. If that makes me a dick, so be it.
[/quote]

Where has J-J been lately, anyway?

:wink:

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Toby Queef, I understand that my volume for my workouts needs to increased significantly to reach my goals. However, The exercises are choose in an appropriate manner to keep relatively balanced sets for the corresponding muscle group.

Cortes, man I know you are on top of your stuff to the max but I feel like I have adequate knowledge to quickly understand and begin applying the suggestions that you men are offering. Believe me, if I saw you on the streets I wouldn’t fuck with you or tell you this, but I am going to run through this cycle with no signs of inertia. You are not a dick, but an obviously experienced AAS professor trying to make the world a better place. Unfortunately, thick ass headed guys like myself are in a different state of mind and will just have to find out for themselves. Truly appreciate the time to help, but this stubborn, driven, and dedicated “idiot” is going to accept any consequences that will follow these actions.

Sunday DIET and WORKOUT

10 AM : -Oatmeal w/ peanut butter, shredded coconut, raisins
-20 grams whey protein powder w/ 5 g. Glutamine and Brewers Yeast (in skim milk)
-one whole grapefruit

12 PM : -2 lean steak burgers (homemade)
- 2 pc. double fiber whole grain bread
- 1/4 cup mozzarella cheese
- 1 tbsp. Extra Virgin Olive Oil
- 1 cup skim milk with 15 grams of whey protein

1 PM : Smootie!
-20 g Whey Protein
- 1/2 cup blueberries
- 1 banana
- Peanut Butter w/ bee pollen

WORKOUT (1:30 PM)

-Sandbag Squats with DB’s 45/50/55/65.70/75/80/85/90 and then reverse (3 reps of each)
-Hamstring Curls on Physioball 2 x 10
-EZ Bar Curl 50/70/70 (8/8/6)
-Triceps Pushdowns 4 X 6
-Alternating Hammer Curls 3 X 8 each arm; 30/35/40

  • Skull-crushers 3 X 6 ; 50/60/70
    -DB Bicep Curls 4 X 6; 25/27.5/30/35 (each arm of course)

Workout was demanding because I was taking minimal rest after each exercise and set. Most of these were performed in a superset manner.
I felt like a boss today and was very impressed with my ability to stay focused all the way through the entire reps. No doubt that I am feeling stronger, more confident, and turning more heads than normal. Off topc but I really was getting into my music today. Almost like I was geting an extreme adrenalin rush without the jitters.

2 PM (during my workout)

      - 30 g/protein, RTD Protein shake            (PLENTY OF WATER PRE, DURING, AND POST WORKOUT) as well as throughout the day

3PM (immediately after workout)

      - 40 g/protein RTD Lean Body Gold protein shake
     - raisins

3:30 PM

     -Nap for 2 hours. Woke up feeling absolutely rejuvenated

5:30 PM

   -2 steak burgers on whole wheat bread 
  - Extra Virgin Olive Oil
  - spinach

7:30 PM

   - Peanut Butter on a Whole Wheat bagel (20 grams protein)
   - Green apple
   - 1/2 of RTD Protein shake for 20 grams of protein

10 PM

    - 20 grams whey protein powder
    - brewers yeast
    - glutamine
    -soy lecithin (sprinkle kind)
    - 1/2 of RTD Protein for 20 g/protein

12 AM

     -handful of almonds
    -grapefruit
    -1/2 of a small Dove Dark Chocolate bar (70% Cocoa) 
   - sweet potato

2 AM

  - 4 asparagus stalks cooked with little E.V olive oil
  - 2 top sirloin pork chops with pasta sauce, garlic, and turmeric
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[quote]TheGymCatalyst wrote:
I have adequate knowledge
[/quote]

This is where you are wrong.

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[quote]TheGymCatalyst wrote:
Cortes, man I know you are on top of your stuff to the max but…
[/quote]

Yeah, you tell him. I mean, I broke my arm this one time, and I said to my doctor “Doctor, man, I know you’re on top of your stuff to the max, but I’m going to to put on a big bird costume and flap my arms about and see if that fixes things.”

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How did that work out for you? I’m sure you got that arm healed up in no time.

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http://www.fitday.com/

You can Count your calories here.

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Hey,

I read a lot T-Nation steroids forum, and I have never posted yet, excepted for my own thread, but you, man, seem to be less close-minded than the majority of the newbies.
You under-eat and overtrain. You can add a lot of lean mass NATURALLY by eating a lot more. I know that you don’t believe that, and that you won’t listen to me because you have heard this sentence a thousand times.

It’s a little bit more complicated than that, but steroids will allow you to eat more food, in the sense that steroids will boost protein synthesis. It’s useless to use anabolics while under-eating. There is a big difference between eating to survive or to live, and eating to grow. You can be pretty big by eating big, man.

By the way, the more you try to reach your natural genetic limit, the biggest you can be (enhanced)

To finish, I would like to say that you should listen to the vets here. Cortes and the others have a fantastic knowledge about anabolics, and know if someone should or shouldn’t use them.

Good luck, man. And don’t forget to eat :wink:

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Op- have you hit a plateau? Why the sudden urge to try AAS? Have you even tried up’ing your calories and dropping some cardio? If not I don’t understand how you plan to gain keeping the same diet and only 250mg a week. The AAS will only aid in your quest if everything else is spot on and IMO your not even close. You also do far too much in one workout to gain any size. Why don’t you cut your workout to a few sets and only a 2-3 exercises per bodypart.

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[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
More food, less volume in the gym.

Like, A LOT more food. Track your calories for 3 days and see how little you’re actually eating.

Search “bulking tips for newbies” for ways to add calories.[/quote]

My thoughts exactly.

I’m not trying to “piss” on your thread but you have a lot more work to do naturally. I know gear is exciting to get into but you could likely get a lot more sustainable gains (meaning it will remain for the longer term) if you experiment with diet and training techniques or even hire a GOOD trainer to help out. Gear isn’t always the answer.

Good luck to you whatever you do.

And do your prostate a favor and run an AI if you’re going to run the cycle. You’ll be glad you did when you’re 50.

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[quote]TrainWreck80 wrote:

And do your prostate a favor and run an AI if you’re going to run the cycle. You’ll be glad you did when you’re 50.[/quote]

Can I ask you why? And what your protocol looks like?

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[quote]Rekkitanko wrote:
TrainWreck80 wrote:

And do your prostate a favor and run an AI if you’re going to run the cycle. You’ll be glad you did when you’re 50.

Can I ask you why? And what your protocol looks like?[/quote]

Besides the more immediate concerns (libido issues, gyno, mood swings, acne, blood pressure, fat gain) from what I understand high estrogen levels in men can cause prostate problems being that much of prostate enlargement and cancer are related to high levels of estrogen to begin with. It’s not something I would mess with. I’ve never bought (or could see through experience) that using a low dose AI interferes with muscle growth or cholesterol. However one would have lipid problems if they lower their estrogen too much.

I guess my point is that hormone fluctuations are problematic. Some say it’s far healthier to stay “on” than to cycle because of this. I’m not getting into that argument but reducing the fluctuation of estrogen is something I think is important.

I don’t have a protocol. I don’t aromatize as much as many do but it’s always best to gauge AI use according to blood tests. Some need more AI to keep their estrogen in a decent place. I know most don’t do labs when they cycle which is unfortunate.

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[quote]TrainWreck80 wrote:
rrjc5488 wrote:
More food, less volume in the gym.

Like, A LOT more food. Track your calories for 3 days and see how little you’re actually eating.

Search “bulking tips for newbies” for ways to add calories.

My thoughts exactly.

I’m not trying to “piss” on your thread but you have a lot more work to do naturally. I know gear is exciting to get into but you could likely get a lot more sustainable gains (meaning it will remain for the longer term) if you experiment with diet and training techniques or even hire a GOOD trainer to help out. Gear isn’t always the answer.

Good luck to you whatever you do.

And do your prostate a favor and run an AI if you’re going to run the cycle. You’ll be glad you did when you’re 50.[/quote]

I haven’t been posting as often but I have significantly decreased my training volume and increased my calories tremendously. Also, I started running Arimidex at .5 mg/day last Friday (3 days after I began). I am going to begin using the website G.I posted to track my calories more specifically. My entire family is very thin, and I have attempted tweaking my diet and training to put on sufficient lean muscle mass multiple times. Every time I make a solid attempt and think I have everything dialed in I put on an undesirable amount of BF to my frame. It is tough for me to keep my gains while cutting even on a high protein, moderate carb, low fat diet. I would love to hire a GOOD trainer, but I think I have a whole community of trainers right here on T-Nation. I have learned more here from you guys than any of my past coaches, any nutritionist, friends that are college athletes, or trainer.

I am just going to keep an open mind and continue applying what everyone here has to offer to my training regimen. Much respect to you.

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[quote]Detroitlionsbaby wrote:
Triceptaurus wrote:
You DO NOT NEED 500g. Sorry for shouting the obvious. If you feel you must, then try 300g, but you will probably get just as much lean mass on 250 with a clean high calorie diet and a serious training program. Maybe the 5/3/1 program would be a good place to start.

BRO you def need 500GRAMS!! 500grams a week will make you so huge. Of course that much test probably requires atleast 1 g of letro a week…

LOL nice advice, bud.[/quote]

Getting the letro ASAP. Running a-dex right now at .5/day. How would you recommend transitioning from anastrozole to femara?

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[quote]G.I. Joe Galway wrote:
http://www.fitday.com/

You can Count your calories here.[/quote]

Truly appreciate the assistance!

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Workouts-

Monday:

Back Squat: 5/3/3/3
Bench Press: 5/3/2
Single Arm Rows: 8/6/6

Tuesday:

Barbell Deadlift: 5/5/3
Trap Bar Shrugs: 6/6/6
Hang Clean: 3/3/2

Any recommendations to incorporate?

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[quote]TheGymCatalyst wrote:
Getting the letro ASAP. Running a-dex right now at .5/day. How would you recommend transitioning from anastrozole to femara? [/quote]

Why would you do this? Adex is sufficient.

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[quote]TheGymCatalyst wrote:
Workouts-

Monday:

Back Squat: 5/3/3/3
Bench Press: 5/3/2
Single Arm Rows: 8/6/6

Tuesday:

Barbell Deadlift: 5/5/3
Trap Bar Shrugs: 6/6/6
Hang Clean: 3/3/2

Any recommendations to incorporate?
[/quote]

For fucks sake.

Do you only know the extremes? First you’re doing too much, now you’re doing too little.

You sure you’re a personal trainer?

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[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
TheGymCatalyst wrote:
Getting the letro ASAP. Running a-dex right now at .5/day. How would you recommend transitioning from anastrozole to femara?

Why would you do this? Adex is sufficient.[/quote]

Even at 500mg/week?

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This kind of crap is the reason you should not be using AAS in the first place. You come in here having no idea what you are doing (with your diet, training, or drug use, for that matter), tell everybody what you are going to do from the start, ignore any advice you don’t want to hear, then get a bunch of conflicting advice and pick through it and choose what sounds good to you based upon I don’t know what kind of thought process, and then just change your entire program on a dime based upon a single internet post, or a whim, or one of the competing voices in your head, or what your dog told you to do today.

YOU HAVE NO BUSINESS BEING HERE!