Good day!
Looking to start my first cycle of Test-E 500mg for 12 weeks.
A little bit about myself - 32 years old, 5’9", 187 lbs. Good on all recent cholesterol and T-tests, nothing out of wack. My diet has been pretty close to optimal, just not sure of current BF% probably close to 12% or a little more.
I got into lifting just over 3 years ago, but didn’t get great training advice until I hired a Personal Trainer Jan of 2019. Now I follow the Conjugate method, if I’m not running any block style programs. Lifts have increased well this year. Bench 185 to 250. Deadlift 275 to 340. Squat 245 to 350. My Squat form was the worst and really proud of the way I’ve been able to figure things out.
I want to keep the gains a-coming and really start to see some more body building type of looks and stay away from the heavy power-lifter looks (not saying all power-lifters look that way, I just want to look lean but still push the weight.
Not sure if I need a e-blocker. Arimidex is most commonly mentioned, but at what dosage for my schedule above.
Any other comments, suggestions or questions are welcomed with an open mind. Thanks guys!
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Keep the A-dex on hand in case you need it. If you need it, use it sparingly. .5mg once a week and go from there if you actually need it.
Are you planning on cycling off or staying on for good? If coming off after 12 weeks, you need some Nolva for your pct.
Personally, I think you should try and train for another couple of years and get stronger before jumping on anything. I trained for 5-6 years before jumping on and that was only because I was diagnosed with low T that I went on. Otherwise, I never would have bothered.
It’s always a good idea to reach your genetic potential and exhaust all efforts to get bigger before taking gear. Sometimes it seems guys are just too eager to jump on gear and don’t wanna put in the long term work it takes. The problem is if you jump on too early, where do you go once you’ve played your Ace card?
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I see this thrown about quite often, and to be completely honest I have no idea what this means. We have a dude on here pulling 700+ natty and still making progress. Would you tell him he’s not ready because he’s still making gainz even though he’s already a freak?
He’s been training for a couple years and you said train for a few more? Do you think that’s a normal amount of time of serious training to reach genetic potential?
It just makes no sense to me.
I don’t see the problem taking anabolics at ANY stage so long as you understand what you’re getting into. I guess the argument could be made for androgen receptor what ever and getting more out of lower cycles for longer, but is this bro science or actual facts?
Edit: I’d be interested to hear your, and others definition of “genetic potential”.
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how do you know he is natty?
Unless you follow him around and know what is in his sock draw, you never know who is natty
Are you planning on cycling off or staying on for good?
Cycling off. The thought process was to reach my genetic potential quicker while on. Then maintain that size. I know I’ll need to pay close attention to nutrition when coming off, to figure out that balance. Let me know if if this doesn’t actually work like this.
If coming off after 12 weeks, you need some Nolva for your pct.
How much, how often?
All that and that’s the only thing you want to talk about?
I actually agree with this. The one exception being age. The whole genetic potential shit has really turned into bro lingo bullshit.
I think the idea is before using gear you should learn to train first and diet right. This itself will take some time and done properly you are bound to make some nice gains. Say you spend a year learning to train and eat right while researching aas. After that year you will have made nice gains if done properly and have a nice bit of knowledge on steroids. At that time if you think it’s still a choice you want to make then go for it.
The whole genetic potential crap is ridiculous. People don’t even realize what genetic potential is and how long if ever it takes to reach it.
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One of my traing partners squatted 903 natty in competition. He had trained 10 years before going on. Next competition squatted 854 and missed 903. Same prep. He did everything the same for 10 years and couldn’t get any stronger. So he made the jump. His current best squat is 1060 in competition with 2 near misses at 1080 for depth.
Bottom line is, you haven’t trained long enough and your lifts are weak.
Concerning lower dose longer cycles, a lifter I train with has run 500 test 300 deca non stop for 3 years. Yea, longer cycles work. For him that is maintenance dose.
I typically when training ran 250 every week until competition prep.
What you are not realizing is that consistency and hard work over a long period of time bring about awesome results. Ask any true bodybuilder or lifter who has been on the platform or on the stage and they will tell you the same thing I’m telling you now.
It’s not bro science it’s been proven for years.
Genetic potential when you stop growing or getting stronger it’s not crap it’s pretty simple concept. If you have been consistent in your training diet and recovery and you aren’t getting any bigger or any stronger then you have reached your body’s potential to get stronger and grow more muscle.
How is that crap concept?
The fact is most of these guys that want to jump on have not put in the time. They want the quick and easy result.
You would really advise somebody after a year of training to jump on gear? They arent gonna learn anything worthwhile in a year. Regardless of what they’ve learned in that year there is no way I would ever tell anyone to jump on gear. They have a train long enough and they don’t know crap.
Wait 2 weeks after last injection then run nolva 40mg for 2 weeks then 20mg for two weeks.
Just for the record I am not the young OP… but my lifts are crap even though you probably thought I was someone else 
I agree with this. The adaptation curve to training has a limit and the longer you train right the slower you adapt, the longer it takes to make progress. Everybody knows nooby gains and that’s the other part of the equation. Progress gets slower and slower, the stress necessary to produce adaptation gets bigger and bigger. Training complexity needs to increase too. What I think osu says is this: if you are on a spot on the curve where the gradient is still reasonably high, there’s no need for aas. What I mean looks something like this.
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It entirely depends on the person. If they are fully committed to competing at a professional level, then the earlier they start juicing the better. You think Arnold or any of the other champions waiting to reach their natty potential before juicing? If they did, they probably wouldnt have been champions.
If one is not looking to compete, then the longer they can wait before cycling the better.
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I trained naturally for almost 10 years before using gear I was still growing and getting stronger. Should I have waited longer?
I never said I would neccarily advise it I probably wouldn’t advise anyone to get on gear that’s not my place. But if someone is educated, old enough and wants to make that decision and understand diet and training then I’m not gonna tell them they are wrong. I honestly wish I had used gear sooner then I did.
Ofcourse they do its. Unfortunately gear isn’t quick and easy results tho. It’s unfortunate that people think this because it gives gear a bad name. The common misconception is il use gear and look huge after one cycle that’s simply not true.
Its how it gets thrown around. The reality is reaching a genetic potential if you ever do would take someone probably close to 15-20 years naturally of they started training at a young age.
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