I am looking for some advice for a possible first cycle. To give some background I am a 85kg male at 14% bodyfat 184 cm and have been training for around 4 years. I have hit a plateu the past 6 months so I am looking to take my physique to the next level.
So far, I am thinking of sticking to the typical 500mg per week of test e for 12 weeks and nolvadex from week 14 onwards at 20mg per day till week 17. I am also considering purchasing Anastrozol and HCG to combat possible gyno and lack of balls.
My main doubts are surrounding these last two compounds. So far I have read that 0.5mg of anastrozol per day and 250iu to 500iu of HCG 2 to 3 times a week is ideal. However I have also read some guy saying to take 2000iu per week of HCG. Its all pretty confusing so I would like some advice on these two compounds.
Lastly, I’d like to say that no, i am not planning to do this cycle any time soon, I am still learning and considering the pros and cons. However, if I do, I want to do it right. Advice is greatly appreciated.
Before I go, what do you guys think of adding 250mg of deca for a first cycle.
Test only for the first cycle is recommended because you have no idea what to expect. If at week 4 you start getting bad sides… what’s causing it? How are you gonna fix it? Deca is also not the best thing to use for guys who do PCT.
Don’t start off taking an AI. You may not need it, I don’t and many others don’t as well. Some do though. Let sides and blood work dictate your drugs. You’re gonna hate yourself if you crash your estrogen.
Make sure you have all of your PCT drugs before you start. It’s also a good idea to go ahead and get a male hormone panel done prior to the cycle. It can help you gauge your recovery once PCT is done.
i don’t PCT so I have nothing to offer there as I’ve never done it.
I think I will stick to Test e only then. I don’t plan to cruise so thats why I’m doing PCT.
Thank you for the information on the AI. And yes definitely will have all my PCT on hand, even extra in case something goes wrong.
I also suppose I’ll have to take Milk Thistle, NAC and TUDCA to protect my organs. I suppose the first cycle won’t do much damage but I rather be in the safe side with these kind of drugs.
These things aren’t miracle workers.
There’s also no “safe” way to take steroids. You can do things to try and minimize the risks and potentially lower the long term effects of said drugs, and you can definitely do things to cause more damage, but you’ll never eliminate it.
You’re taking illegal drugs, in large doses, brewed by some dude you’ve never met.
This also isn’t meant to be a doom and gloom post, you should just know the risks as well as the rewards.
Drugs are cool
The only advice i can give that makes actual sense - dont cycle and stop keeping this unhealthy archaic method alive.
Either you take the step and are on, or it is pointless all the harm with actually NO benefits in the longer run.
I am aware that I won’t become Ronnie Coleman over night. I was told that I should expect around 10 pounds of muscle gain but would like your input mate.
As for bloods and BP, thats covered too. I have come across too many reddit bros who’ve fucked themselves up by not keeping these in check.
I’m currently 21, started lifting late 15’s. Factoring out covid, 4 years of overall lifting. From what I have read I should expect to retain at least half of what I have made during the cycle. Feel free to correct me on this.
Please don’t do steroids. You are young, still fully functioning, and not worth the risks of trying to restart and hope you bounce back to close to 100%
The largest question mark is what do you believe your genetic potential is?
With 4 years of lifting behind you, what results have you accumulated?
What is your height and weight?
What are your strongest lifts? Give us a weight and number of reps you can get.
If you don’t have much genetic potential, the risk might far out weigh the reward.
You are rather young to start AAS’s. I should say that I started about your age. So, if you believe the risk is worth it, that is your decision.
I asked because I assumed you were young by the omission of age. Your writing doesn’t give it away, but I can tell you I also started lifting at 15. I was not ready for AAS at 21 and tried two cycles at that age. I’ve regretted it many time now that I’m 40 and on TRT. I had hormone problems as a youth so the AAS may not have caused my secondary hypogpnadism. Then again it may have. Point being is you’re still developing at this age more mentally than physically. Don’t jump too soon unless you are competing IMO on a high level.
i have already given by weight and height on my initial post, in case you missed that.
As for the big three my current stats are:
135kg Bench Press
150kg Squat
210kg Deadlift
I haven’t tested my Deadlift for well over a year so it may be a bit lower or higher.
As for genetic potential I honestly don’t know, what I do know is that I come from a family line of pretty muscular farmers that built decent size without direct strength training. Other than that I can’t comment much on GP.
I am still assessing whether to do it or not, I just need to make sure how to do it “right”. I know the dangers of steroids and that there is no essentially speaking right or wrong way, safe or unsafe way of doing it; what I am looking for is risk management. I rather be doing it “right” and have much less risk than be a reddit bro that doesn’t know he needs pct or is blasting tren for a first cycle.
To be completely honest I didn’t omit it on purpose. I really rather be honest, especially when discussing Steroids.
I still haven’t decided whether to jump on them or not, I am also considering to wait until I’m 25 before I take the leap. Right now, I’m just looking for info and risk minimisation, for if I do decide to take the leap to at least not be the typical jock who blasted tren and said he didn’t need PCT.
This is smart. You appear to be taking the correct approach. At the end of the day it’s only a decision you can make. Sounds like you’ve been researching already but I find this forum to be more sensible and cautious than the BS on Reddit.
IMO your stats are less important than your goals when considering a cycle. Are you trying to be a pro BBer? Strongman? Just want to look big? I’d think at 21 you can continue making progress in the gym before adding in AAS, but all depends on what you want out of this
