Fedor vs Rogers Strikeforce Card

[quote]Valor wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Amiright wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
The sound that accuracy and more importantly,timing,makes:

I have to give props to rogers chin after seeing that a few times… anyone else would have been out stiff. It appears that he flashed but obviously never went out cold.

Yes,definitely a flash KO. His eyes were just coming back to focus when Fedor starting his GnP…but he was definitely still dazed enough to not defend himself other than covering up.

Covering up IS defending yourself. You’re just fucking confused.[/quote]

Covering up and being in the fetal position facing away from your opponent is defending yourself for sure… but its not defending yourself intelligently

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
The sound that accuracy and more importantly,timing,makes:

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that just sounds disgusting…like hitting a side of beef with a bat. That must have taken 10 years off his life.

haha, the idiots in the crowd chanting USA USA USA only sealed roger’s fate. i support patriotism, but pick your moments better people

I said before the fight that I though Rogers would lose but had the potential to shock the world. I guess in a way he did, but I feel like a nerd for somewhat doubting Emelianenko. That guy is so good it’s scary. If anyone here thinks he wouldn’t dominate in the UFC they need to have their heads examined.

[quote]Djwlfpack wrote:
Strikeforce delivered a good card last night. All the fights were entertaining. Shields-Mayhem dragged a little in the championship rounds as Shields just layed-and-prayed his way to a win, but other than that, the action was good.

Rogers made a good showing for himself. I’m not concerned with how he acted post-fight in the interview. I’m not a big fan of sticking a mic in someone’s face seconds after they lost. I’m sure if he would’ve had more time to cool off, he probably would have been more logical in his comments. Plus, his brains were probably still a little scrambled from that Fedor right hand.

Nice to see a main event deliver the goods. CBS and Strikeforce should both be very happy with how last night went.[/quote]

Agreed. And it was free.

I’d love to see an AS/Fedor fight.

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Djwlfpack wrote:
Strikeforce delivered a good card last night. All the fights were entertaining. Shields-Mayhem dragged a little in the championship rounds as Shields just layed-and-prayed his way to a win, but other than that, the action was good.

I’m not so sure it was “lay and pray” as you suggest. Shields tried a multitude of times to finish the fight from the ground. He mounted Mayhem a number of times (12 or so). He also took Mayhem’s back several times. That’s not laying and praying that’s an aggressive ground game. But, I give much credit to Mayhem for being able to move out of trouble once he was in it.

Rogers made a good showing for himself.

Well he did get in some serious shots, but he ended up paying the price for trading punches. Good showing? I guess it depends on how you look at it. When most get ko’d in the second round they don’t call it a good showing, but there was that flurry of punches that one time. I would refer to Rogers performance as “game”. He was a game opponent who came to fight and that’s good to see.

Only 5 fighters have gone the distance with Fedor most end up like Rogers either knocked out or submitted.

I’m not concerned with how he acted post-fight in the interview. I’m not a big fan of sticking a mic in someone’s face seconds after they lost. I’m sure if he would’ve had more time to cool off, he probably would have been more logical in his comments. Plus, his brains were probably still a little scrambled from that Fedor right hand.

Perhaps, but it seems that every other fighter who gets that mic stuck in their face seems to sound pretty good, most that is. Rogers lack of class rivals Lesnar’s after the Mir fight no question. Comments like he had did not help him or the sport that’s the only reason that I care. I really don’t want mma to turn into a circus with a room full of classless louts spouting off inconsistent comments sounding like spoiled children. Rogers was all of that and more in my opinion. Also, when you step into the cage with Fedor there is at least a possibility that you’re going to lose, what’s wrong with showing some respect and dignity?

Nice to see a main event deliver the goods. CBS and Strikeforce should both be very happy with how last night went.

I agree, other than a few very strange camera angles I thought the rest of the show was great. Reasonably good commentary, very good fights and the general promotion was outstanding. I’m sure Dana White was quite uncomfortable with the whole thing which is just one more reason to appreciate what CBS and Strikeforce put together.[/quote]

I was more referring to the last 2 rounds in the Shields fight where he stopped trying for subs and was content - and rightly so - to hold his position, land a few punches and go for half-hearted chokes. I think he knew there was no way he was subbing Mayhem unless Mayhem just quit mentally.

I think Shields’ style is fine but some casual MMA fans might not find it the most entertaining.

As for Rogers, the fact that he made it to the 2nd round and landed several good shots on Fedor makes for a good showing in my book. I thought the dude was way overmatched and he actually held his own. Did a lot better than former UFC champ, Tim Sylvia :slight_smile:

This probably deserves its own thread but anyone think Hendo will sign with Strikeforce and possibly take on Fedor?

He’s fought HW’s before in PRIDE and there isn’t a huge size difference between Hendo (probably walks around at 220) and Fedor.

[quote]Djwlfpack wrote:
This probably deserves its own thread but anyone think Hendo will sign with Strikeforce and possibly take on Fedor?

He’s fought HW’s before in PRIDE and there isn’t a huge size difference between Hendo (probably walks around at 220) and Fedor.[/quote]

I’d rather see Hendo-Mousasi…OR Hendo-Shields. I think HW would be asking a little too much for him…even if Fedor is small HW.

[quote]Djwlfpack wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Djwlfpack wrote:
Strikeforce delivered a good card last night. All the fights were entertaining. Shields-Mayhem dragged a little in the championship rounds as Shields just layed-and-prayed his way to a win, but other than that, the action was good.

I’m not so sure it was “lay and pray” as you suggest. Shields tried a multitude of times to finish the fight from the ground. He mounted Mayhem a number of times (12 or so). He also took Mayhem’s back several times. That’s not laying and praying that’s an aggressive ground game. But, I give much credit to Mayhem for being able to move out of trouble once he was in it.

Rogers made a good showing for himself.

Well he did get in some serious shots, but he ended up paying the price for trading punches. Good showing? I guess it depends on how you look at it. When most get ko’d in the second round they don’t call it a good showing, but there was that flurry of punches that one time. I would refer to Rogers performance as “game”. He was a game opponent who came to fight and that’s good to see.

Only 5 fighters have gone the distance with Fedor most end up like Rogers either knocked out or submitted.

I’m not concerned with how he acted post-fight in the interview. I’m not a big fan of sticking a mic in someone’s face seconds after they lost. I’m sure if he would’ve had more time to cool off, he probably would have been more logical in his comments. Plus, his brains were probably still a little scrambled from that Fedor right hand.

Perhaps, but it seems that every other fighter who gets that mic stuck in their face seems to sound pretty good, most that is. Rogers lack of class rivals Lesnar’s after the Mir fight no question. Comments like he had did not help him or the sport that’s the only reason that I care. I really don’t want mma to turn into a circus with a room full of classless louts spouting off inconsistent comments sounding like spoiled children. Rogers was all of that and more in my opinion. Also, when you step into the cage with Fedor there is at least a possibility that you’re going to lose, what’s wrong with showing some respect and dignity?

Nice to see a main event deliver the goods. CBS and Strikeforce should both be very happy with how last night went.

I agree, other than a few very strange camera angles I thought the rest of the show was great. Reasonably good commentary, very good fights and the general promotion was outstanding. I’m sure Dana White was quite uncomfortable with the whole thing which is just one more reason to appreciate what CBS and Strikeforce put together.

I was more referring to the last 2 rounds in the Shields fight where he stopped trying for subs and was content - and rightly so - to hold his position, land a few punches and go for half-hearted chokes. I think he knew there was no way he was subbing Mayhem unless Mayhem just quit mentally.

I think Shields’ style is fine but some casual MMA fans might not find it the most entertaining.

As for Rogers, the fact that he made it to the 2nd round and landed several good shots on Fedor makes for a good showing in my book. I thought the dude was way overmatched and he actually held his own. Did a lot better than former UFC champ, Tim Sylvia :)[/quote]

mayhem is ridiculously hard to submit. ive seen him go thru an entire room of guys (10-12) just rotating thru one after the other for almost two hours without getting subbed. good guys too, insane flexibility and competitiveness. i honestly dont know if he’d tap even if you caught him in practice.

I just watched Fedor vs Rogers will check out the other fights later.

BigBoss, so right about his transitions Fedor is just so smooth.
He is never looking to do just one thing

Its how he trains- upper cut to uchimata, or his hook to a clinch.
too smart. He just has the best integration of skills.

That is one huge difference in the way we,( the US) train.
I noticed it the most while in the Chech republic
moves vs a series of transitions

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Valor wrote:
ROFL…

Ya, Fedor was tring the REAR LEG RUSSIAN LEG SWEEP. Its a common follow up to the off balance right.

Look…I already stated that you disagree…and that is fine. I don’t care as much about it as you do…which is evident by you continuing to take issue with it. I guess this is normal for your level of maturity.

Now with that out of the way.

Change your tampon and just accept what 98% have come to terms with: Rogers was not intelligently defending himself. You and those that believe otherwise are the exception…and can go circle-jerk about it together.

You fail to recognize that covering up…WITHOUT attempting to improve your position is not defending yourself. This is basic knowledge for MMA fans with a lick of common sense. What is your excuse?

Of course you would think just covering up and giving your ass to someone is a defense. Did you get therapy for that?

The only confusion on my part is if you’re a man or a boy. Which one is it? Because you definitely do not make it obvious…sorry.

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You dont care…but responsed with a book to my TWO sentances… OKAY.
I’m not even sure why you got your panties in a bunch after my first post. You’re calling me a boy, but you’re not man enough to admit you’re wrong? Ya, Fedor was using his feared reverse rear leg russian hip check…he learned it from a NINJA! NINJA!!! Monkey.
Check your meds dude. Check your meds.

[quote]kmcnyc wrote:

That is one huge difference in the way we,( the US) train.
I noticed it the most while in the Chech republic
moves vs a series of transitions[/quote]

Can you explain this better?

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Amiright wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Speaking of “modern era” and “future” of MMA. Pay attention to what happens in this besides a right hand.

ok, I’m missing something… please explain

Well…if you watch,not only did Fedor connect with that punch…he also slipped Rogers’ hook. And at the same time,he using his body as if he’s attempting to do some kind of leg sweep/trip.

Because of the way Rogers’ body turns after the punch,that is somewhat negated,but Fedor still manages to shift his bodyweight into Rogers’ and knock him off-balance. Transitions…and all in the same sequence. Fedor is the best at it…GSP is a very close second,imo…and Machida has some nice transitions with his strikes and foot-sweeps. Mousasi is starting to show the same abilities.

Transitioning like that is going be a big component in the future of how fighters train for MMA. Anyone that can put all the disciplines together and flow effortlessly from one to another is going to murder those who cannot. [/quote]

So, in other words, all of the non-Americans are currently the best at this, meaning something is not happening with our training that IS happening with the foreigners, UK excluded.

[quote]Valor wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Valor wrote:
ROFL…

Ya, Fedor was tring the REAR LEG RUSSIAN LEG SWEEP. Its a common follow up to the off balance right.

Look…I already stated that you disagree…and that is fine. I don’t care as much about it as you do…which is evident by you continuing to take issue with it. I guess this is normal for your level of maturity.

Now with that out of the way.

Change your tampon and just accept what 98% have come to terms with: Rogers was not intelligently defending himself. You and those that believe otherwise are the exception…and can go circle-jerk about it together.

You fail to recognize that covering up…WITHOUT attempting to improve your position is not defending yourself. This is basic knowledge for MMA fans with a lick of common sense. What is your excuse?

Of course you would think just covering up and giving your ass to someone is a defense. Did you get therapy for that?

The only confusion on my part is if you’re a man or a boy. Which one is it? Because you definitely do not make it obvious…sorry.

You dont care…but responsed with a book to my TWO sentances… OKAY.
I’m not even sure why you got your panties in a bunch after my first post. You’re calling me a boy, but you’re not man enough to admit you’re wrong? Ya, Fedor was using his feared reverse rear leg russian hip check…he learned it from a NINJA! NINJA!!! Monkey.
Check your meds dude. Check your meds.[/quote]

Yep…you are a laughable boy. You even type like one.

I’m glad others are not as retarded as you and see the main gist of my post concerning transitions. You’re arguing how YOU feel that I am wrong about something so small in comparison to the bigger picture. A sign that you clearly don’t know what’s going on to even prove me wrong.

If Fedor trains this way,it’s not far-fetched or “wrong” to see it in his fighting style…EVEN when he DOES NOT get the intended result. So shut up and let the men discuss this.

[quote]Amiright wrote:
Valor wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Amiright wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
The sound that accuracy and more importantly,timing,makes:

I have to give props to rogers chin after seeing that a few times… anyone else would have been out stiff. It appears that he flashed but obviously never went out cold.

Yes,definitely a flash KO. His eyes were just coming back to focus when Fedor starting his GnP…but he was definitely still dazed enough to not defend himself other than covering up.

Covering up IS defending yourself. You’re just fucking confused.

Covering up and being in the fetal position facing away from your opponent is defending yourself for sure… but its not defending yourself intelligently

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I agree.

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Valor wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Valor wrote:
ROFL…

Ya, Fedor was tring the REAR LEG RUSSIAN LEG SWEEP. Its a common follow up to the off balance right.

Look…I already stated that you disagree…and that is fine. I don’t care as much about it as you do…which is evident by you continuing to take issue with it. I guess this is normal for your level of maturity.

Now with that out of the way.

Change your tampon and just accept what 98% have come to terms with: Rogers was not intelligently defending himself. You and those that believe otherwise are the exception…and can go circle-jerk about it together.

You fail to recognize that covering up…WITHOUT attempting to improve your position is not defending yourself. This is basic knowledge for MMA fans with a lick of common sense. What is your excuse?

Of course you would think just covering up and giving your ass to someone is a defense. Did you get therapy for that?

The only confusion on my part is if you’re a man or a boy. Which one is it? Because you definitely do not make it obvious…sorry.

You dont care…but responsed with a book to my TWO sentances… OKAY.
I’m not even sure why you got your panties in a bunch after my first post. You’re calling me a boy, but you’re not man enough to admit you’re wrong? Ya, Fedor was using his feared reverse rear leg russian hip check…he learned it from a NINJA! NINJA!!! Monkey.
Check your meds dude. Check your meds.

Yep…you are a boy. You even type like one. [/quote]

Well…you’d know.

[quote]Valor wrote:
Amiright wrote:
Valor wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Amiright wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
The sound that accuracy and more importantly,timing,makes:

I have to give props to rogers chin after seeing that a few times… anyone else would have been out stiff. It appears that he flashed but obviously never went out cold.

Yes,definitely a flash KO. His eyes were just coming back to focus when Fedor starting his GnP…but he was definitely still dazed enough to not defend himself other than covering up.

Covering up IS defending yourself. You’re just fucking confused.

Covering up and being in the fetal position facing away from your opponent is defending yourself for sure… but its not defending yourself intelligently

I agree.[/quote]

You sit there and agree with that…yet you exclaim that I’m “fucking confused” when I say:

he was definitely still dazed enough to not defend himself other than covering up…

I figured you for an intelligent poster…I’m deeply disappointed. Sad that I have to associate your shortcomings with that 1st Infantry patch in your avatar.

Oh well. We will agree in the future…but for now you’re a dumb fuck.

The Jackson camp seems to do this well.

[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Amiright wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Speaking of “modern era” and “future” of MMA. Pay attention to what happens in this besides a right hand.

ok, I’m missing something… please explain

Well…if you watch,not only did Fedor connect with that punch…he also slipped Rogers’ hook. And at the same time,he using his body as if he’s attempting to do some kind of leg sweep/trip.

Because of the way Rogers’ body turns after the punch,that is somewhat negated,but Fedor still manages to shift his bodyweight into Rogers’ and knock him off-balance. Transitions…and all in the same sequence. Fedor is the best at it…GSP is a very close second,imo…and Machida has some nice transitions with his strikes and foot-sweeps. Mousasi is starting to show the same abilities.

Transitioning like that is going be a big component in the future of how fighters train for MMA. Anyone that can put all the disciplines together and flow effortlessly from one to another is going to murder those who cannot.

So, in other words, all of the non-Americans are currently the best at this, meaning something is not happening with our training that IS happening with the foreigners, UK excluded. [/quote]

Well…I didn’t even think about it that way…but it seems that would be correct. I’m sure plenty of Americans are catching on and training that way. But I think we are behind in terms of training in a complete MMA system. We still focus more on training individual disciplines and applying it to MMA…whereas fighters like Fedor train more so in a MMA-geared system and supplement with the individual disciplines…not the other way around.

That’s how it looks on the outside to me anyways…I remember Xen making a good post about the future of MMA training that is relevant to all of this.

But then again…it could just be the individual’s ability to flow. Although if he is training that way,I highly suspect that there is some methodology to their camp’s training system in regards to transitions. Definitely an interesting topic.

[quote]drewh wrote:
The Jackson camp seems to do this well.[/quote]

You read my mind. They were the first American camp I could think of that really focuses hard on transitions. I’m sure others do…but it’s more obvious with their fighters.