Like everyone else I really enjoyed this fight. Rogers showed some serious striking ability and Fedor showed us all what legends are made of. However, one thing did disturb me and that was Brett Rogers obvious lack of class at the end of the fight. What was all that ranting about a rematch? Maybe I’m old school but shouldn’t he have given Fedor his due instead of looking in his direction and challenging him again? He had just picked himself up off the floor in defeat and he’s acting like this?
Rogers showed no more class in defeat than Brock Lesnar did in victory against Frank Mir. Rogers not only needs to go back to the drawing board relative to his skill level to get into the same league as Fedor, he also needs to raise his level of class in order to be able to reach up and touch the bottom of Fedor’s shoes.
[quote]SeaHag wrote:
Cprimero wrote:
Fedor taking about 5 hard, consecutive shots right in the face at about 4 mins in and not even slightly flinching( and probably with a broken nose) is Rambo/Chuck Norris type shit
They were thrown hard, but only two landed well enough to deliver any of that power. All but one other were basically whiffs. Still, to eat those two and the jab that busted his nose is no small feat.
I watched the fight live and thought “wow, this is closer than I thought it was going to be.” But then when I watched the replay from my DVR twice more…the second time in slow motion going back and forth around the action, I saw that Fedor EASILY won this fight. The only damage he really inflicted at all was busting his nose with that one punch. Fedor slipped nearly everything else.[/quote]
Strikeforce delivered a good card last night. All the fights were entertaining. Shields-Mayhem dragged a little in the championship rounds as Shields just layed-and-prayed his way to a win, but other than that, the action was good.
Rogers made a good showing for himself. I’m not concerned with how he acted post-fight in the interview. I’m not a big fan of sticking a mic in someone’s face seconds after they lost. I’m sure if he would’ve had more time to cool off, he probably would have been more logical in his comments. Plus, his brains were probably still a little scrambled from that Fedor right hand.
Nice to see a main event deliver the goods. CBS and Strikeforce should both be very happy with how last night went.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
SeaHag wrote:
Cprimero wrote:
Fedor taking about 5 hard, consecutive shots right in the face at about 4 mins in and not even slightly flinching( and probably with a broken nose) is Rambo/Chuck Norris type shit
They were thrown hard, but only two landed well enough to deliver any of that power. All but one other were basically whiffs. Still, to eat those two and the jab that busted his nose is no small feat.
I watched the fight live and thought “wow, this is closer than I thought it was going to be.” But then when I watched the replay from my DVR twice more…the second time in slow motion going back and forth around the action, I saw that Fedor EASILY won this fight. The only damage he really inflicted at all was busting his nose with that one punch. Fedor slipped nearly everything else.
What did you think of Fedor’s first take down? [/quote]
I think he almost blew it as Brett nearly escaped…but Fedor’s quick tenacity got back into him where he could grab the knee…then Brett’s quick back pedaling actually helped take himself down.
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Amiright wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Speaking of “modern era” and “future” of MMA. Pay attention to what happens in this besides a right hand.
ok, I’m missing something… please explain
Well…if you watch,not only did Fedor connect with that punch…he also slipped Rogers’ hook. And at the same time,he using his body as if he’s attempting to do some kind of leg sweep/trip.
Because of the way Rogers’ body turns after the punch,that is somewhat negated,but Fedor still manages to shift his bodyweight into Rogers’ and knock him off-balance. Transitions…and all in the same sequence. Fedor is the best at it…GSP is a very close second,imo…and Machida has some nice transitions with his strikes and foot-sweeps. Mousasi is starting to show the same abilities.
Transitioning like that is going be a big component in the future of how fighters train for MMA. Anyone that can put all the disciplines together and flow effortlessly from one to another is going to murder those who cannot. [/quote]
That sweep/leg trip you’re seeing is Fedor off balance after the punch.
You’re right. Glad somebody finally noticed his drinking problem and that he’s basically throwing hammered haymakers inside the ring. He’s overrated and so is Rogers or Arlovski or Sylvia- the moment they left the octagon. Before that, they were studs, of course.
[quote]Djwlfpack wrote:
Strikeforce delivered a good card last night. All the fights were entertaining. Shields-Mayhem dragged a little in the championship rounds as Shields just layed-and-prayed his way to a win, but other than that, the action was good.[/quote]
I’m not so sure it was “lay and pray” as you suggest. Shields tried a multitude of times to finish the fight from the ground. He mounted Mayhem a number of times (12 or so). He also took Mayhem’s back several times. That’s not laying and praying that’s an aggressive ground game. But, I give much credit to Mayhem for being able to move out of trouble once he was in it.
Well he did get in some serious shots, but he ended up paying the price for trading punches. Good showing? I guess it depends on how you look at it. When most get ko’d in the second round they don’t call it a good showing, but there was that flurry of punches that one time. I would refer to Rogers performance as “game”. He was a game opponent who came to fight and that’s good to see.
Only 5 fighters have gone the distance with Fedor most end up like Rogers either knocked out or submitted.
Perhaps, but it seems that every other fighter who gets that mic stuck in their face seems to sound pretty good, most that is. Rogers lack of class rivals Lesnar’s after the Mir fight no question. Comments like he had did not help him or the sport that’s the only reason that I care. I really don’t want mma to turn into a circus with a room full of classless louts spouting off inconsistent comments sounding like spoiled children. Rogers was all of that and more in my opinion. Also, when you step into the cage with Fedor there is at least a possibility that you’re going to lose, what’s wrong with showing some respect and dignity?
I agree, other than a few very strange camera angles I thought the rest of the show was great. Reasonably good commentary, very good fights and the general promotion was outstanding. I’m sure Dana White was quite uncomfortable with the whole thing which is just one more reason to appreciate what CBS and Strikeforce put together.
[quote]Valor wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Amiright wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Speaking of “modern era” and “future” of MMA. Pay attention to what happens in this besides a right hand.
ok, I’m missing something… please explain
Well…if you watch,not only did Fedor connect with that punch…he also slipped Rogers’ hook. And at the same time,he using his body as if he’s attempting to do some kind of leg sweep/trip.
Because of the way Rogers’ body turns after the punch,that is somewhat negated,but Fedor still manages to shift his bodyweight into Rogers’ and knock him off-balance. Transitions…and all in the same sequence. Fedor is the best at it…GSP is a very close second,imo…and Machida has some nice transitions with his strikes and foot-sweeps. Mousasi is starting to show the same abilities.
Transitioning like that is going be a big component in the future of how fighters train for MMA. Anyone that can put all the disciplines together and flow effortlessly from one to another is going to murder those who cannot.
That sweep/leg trip you’re seeing is Fedor off balance after the punch.[/quote]
No,that is what YOU see…get it right. We see something different…and that is fine…trust me.
Admittedly, I am a casual MMA fan, and will concede that my knowledge of the nuances of the sport are lacking, but was it just me or was that Strikeforce card much better and more ENTERTAINING than anything I have seen from the UFC in the recent past? I felt like the Strikeforce card displayed a well-rounded combination of sheer action and precise technique, with substantive fights and compelling fighters. I am comparing this card to the last UFC with Machida and Rua.
After seeing Fedor tee off on Rogers face like that, I was sitting in my living room stunned for a good 10 minutes. I was utterly amazed with the type of SPEED and QUICKNESS that son of a gun has. What a freak. Moves like GSP for Christ’s sake.
Maybe I’ve just watched too many episodes of The Ultimate Chump, sorry, I mean The Ultimate Fighter.
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
The sound that accuracy and more importantly,timing,makes:
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I have to give props to rogers chin after seeing that a few times… anyone else would have been out stiff. It appears that he flashed but obviously never went out cold.
Man, how does Fedor wins the fight? By a knock out. Fedor is simply impressive. He threw Rogers on the ground few times like he threw every body else in his previous fights. I just don’t know where he gets his strength from. He is practically the smallest heavyweight out there now but that doesn’t seem to make a difference to him. He fights with all abandonment and leave it all in the cage. I think Rogers had a pretty good strategy and together with using his size and strength to tie up Fedor up on the cage, he was able to carry himself to the second round. I think Fedor’s win is good for business. Strikeforce may have a chance to even things up with UFC more if Fedor continues to win. I wonder if Fedor ever looks at his fight videos and says to himself: “Damn, I’m good.”…lol…
[quote]Amiright wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
The sound that accuracy and more importantly,timing,makes:
I have to give props to rogers chin after seeing that a few times… anyone else would have been out stiff. It appears that he flashed but obviously never went out cold. [/quote]
Yes,definitely a flash KO. His eyes were just coming back to focus when Fedor starting his GnP…but he was definitely still dazed enough to not defend himself other than covering up.
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Amiright wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
The sound that accuracy and more importantly,timing,makes:
I have to give props to rogers chin after seeing that a few times… anyone else would have been out stiff. It appears that he flashed but obviously never went out cold.
Yes,definitely a flash KO. His eyes were just coming back to focus when Fedor starting his GnP…but he was definitely still dazed enough to not defend himself other than covering up.[/quote]
Yeah definitely, while they were interviewing Fedor, rogers was still trying to get his bearings
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Valor wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Amiright wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Speaking of “modern era” and “future” of MMA. Pay attention to what happens in this besides a right hand.
ok, I’m missing something… please explain
Well…if you watch,not only did Fedor connect with that punch…he also slipped Rogers’ hook. And at the same time,he using his body as if he’s attempting to do some kind of leg sweep/trip.
Because of the way Rogers’ body turns after the punch,that is somewhat negated,but Fedor still manages to shift his bodyweight into Rogers’ and knock him off-balance. Transitions…and all in the same sequence. Fedor is the best at it…GSP is a very close second,imo…and Machida has some nice transitions with his strikes and foot-sweeps. Mousasi is starting to show the same abilities.
Transitioning like that is going be a big component in the future of how fighters train for MMA. Anyone that can put all the disciplines together and flow effortlessly from one to another is going to murder those who cannot.
That sweep/leg trip you’re seeing is Fedor off balance after the punch.
No,that is what YOU see…get it right. We see something different…and that is fine…trust me.[/quote]
What YOU, THINK you see is a fiction. Not reality. Wrong.
Sorry dude.
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Amiright wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
The sound that accuracy and more importantly,timing,makes:
I have to give props to rogers chin after seeing that a few times… anyone else would have been out stiff. It appears that he flashed but obviously never went out cold.
Yes,definitely a flash KO. His eyes were just coming back to focus when Fedor starting his GnP…but he was definitely still dazed enough to not defend himself other than covering up.[/quote]
Covering up IS defending yourself. You’re just fucking confused.
[quote]Valor wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Amiright wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
The sound that accuracy and more importantly,timing,makes:
I have to give props to rogers chin after seeing that a few times… anyone else would have been out stiff. It appears that he flashed but obviously never went out cold.
Yes,definitely a flash KO. His eyes were just coming back to focus when Fedor starting his GnP…but he was definitely still dazed enough to not defend himself other than covering up.
Covering up IS defending yourself. You’re just fucking confused.[/quote]
What YOU, THINK you see is a fiction. Not reality. Wrong.
Sorry dude.
Ya, Fedor was tring the REAR LEG RUSSIAN LEG SWEEP. Its a common follow up to the off balance right.[/quote]
Look…I already stated that you disagree…and that is fine. I don’t care as much about it as you do…which is evident by you continuing to take issue with it. I guess this is normal for your level of maturity.
Now with that out of the way.
Change your tampon and just accept what 98% have come to terms with: Rogers was not intelligently defending himself. You and those that believe otherwise are the exception…and can go circle-jerk about it together.
You fail to recognize that covering up…WITHOUT attempting to improve your position is not defending yourself. This is basic knowledge for MMA fans with a lick of common sense. What is your excuse?
Of course you would think just covering up and giving your ass to someone is a defense. Did you get therapy for that?
The only confusion on my part is if you’re a man or a boy. Which one is it? Because you definitely do not make it obvious…sorry.