Fedor is Scared of Lesnar

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[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
Im Yolked wrote:
First of all Fedor is amongst the best and always have been.
He’s right up there just behind rickson gracie, but if there’s one thing i’ve notices it’s that fedor always struggles against strong opponents, particularly those with a wrestling background.

Ahem, he’s better than Rickson. Who of mention did Rickson ever beat in an MMA match? In straight up grappling, yeah he’s better, but not in MMA.

Also, he’s been in some tough spots against wrestlers, but he’s beaten all of them.

And we all know that MMA isn’t exactly big money, at least for the fighters. So it is nothing short of insane for someone to turn down a contract worth millions, not to mention the additional publicity and commission he would receive in the US.

I heard lots of rumors about the supposed contract with the UFC that fell through. Everything from it being worth millions and basically only stipulating that Fedor wouldn’t fight in other organizations, to no actual contract having ever existed, to problems to do co-promotion.

Some of Fedor’s management team are deusches, which probably had something to do with the deal not going through. But I highly doubt that he would have turned down a legitimate contract worth that type of money (and definitely not because he was “scared” of Brock).

Styles make fights, but unfortunately lesnars is a nightmare matchup for him, and he knows it.

You can pull of a submission against an oaf like choi, but lesnars ground game combined with his strength would be too much. His best bet is striking, but lesnar isn’t a slow dude and his boxing only keeps getting better.
If fedor eventually decides to stop ducking and diving and finally faces his nemesis, he will not last the full duration. I predict lesnar by brutal ground and pound.

The nuthugging is strong with this one…[/quote]

I will forgive the blasphemy at the start of your post to say that I agree with the rest of it.

Lesnar is a tough fight for anyone but he doesn’t like getting hit. Fedor has one punch KO power, good defence, can fight well off his back and is very durable.

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[quote]rundymc wrote:
FirestormWarrior wrote:
rasturai wrote:
He ain’t scared. He’s fought bigger guys.

Bigger than Brock? Really? Who?

Choi, Schilt, Zulu… fuck it you get the idea.
Of course Brock’s a different animal, but I think Fedor would be very competitive against him. He’d have to keep it standing no doubt, which will obviously be a problem.[/quote]

You got a point there. Although, coming back to Schilt, Brock and Semmy not only play in different leagues when it comes to physical dominance, they’re not even in the same game.
About the second part I’m not so sure. Don’t get me wrong here, I wouldn’t want to roll with Lesnar, however, Fedor first and foremost is a Sambo stylist. He knows the ground game like few people do, IMHO.

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[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:
Im Yolked wrote:
First of all Fedor is amongst the best and always have been.
He’s right up there just behind rickson gracie, but if there’s one thing i’ve notices it’s that fedor always struggles against strong opponents, particularly those with a wrestling background.

Ahem, he’s better than Rickson. Who of mention did Rickson ever beat in an MMA match? In straight up grappling, yeah he’s better, but not in MMA.

Also, he’s been in some tough spots against wrestlers, but he’s beaten all of them.

And we all know that MMA isn’t exactly big money, at least for the fighters. So it is nothing short of insane for someone to turn down a contract worth millions, not to mention the additional publicity and commission he would receive in the US.

I heard lots of rumors about the supposed contract with the UFC that fell through. Everything from it being worth millions and basically only stipulating that Fedor wouldn’t fight in other organizations, to no actual contract having ever existed, to problems to do co-promotion.

Some of Fedor’s management team are deusches, which probably had something to do with the deal not going through. But I highly doubt that he would have turned down a legitimate contract worth that type of money (and definitely not because he was “scared” of Brock).

Styles make fights, but unfortunately lesnars is a nightmare matchup for him, and he knows it.

You can pull of a submission against an oaf like choi, but lesnars ground game combined with his strength would be too much. His best bet is striking, but lesnar isn’t a slow dude and his boxing only keeps getting better.
If fedor eventually decides to stop ducking and diving and finally faces his nemesis, he will not last the full duration. I predict lesnar by brutal ground and pound.

The nuthugging is strong with this one…

I will forgive the blasphemy at the start of your post to say that I agree with the rest of it.

Lesnar is a tough fight for anyone but he doesn’t like getting hit. Fedor has one punch KO power, good defence, can fight well off his back and is very durable.[/quote]

Haha, fair enough. :slight_smile:

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Fedor is not a stupid person. He(or anyone) would have to be very stupid NOT to be scared of Brock.

After watching the ass kicking Mir took, I’d say Lesnar would have a slight chance against Fedor. The Carwin match should really show where Brock is at and how quickly he’s learning. I’m sure he’s working heavily on his stand up, how quickly he adapts to that will really tell if he’d have a chance against fedor.

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Just to let you guys know. Match has been postponed due to illness (Brock). No word to which event but I’d bet 108.

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[quote]rundymc wrote:
Just to let you guys know. Match has been postponed due to illness (Brock). No word to which event but I’d bet 108.[/quote]

According to Carwin’s blog, that seems to be the case.

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[quote]Im Yolked wrote:
First of all Fedor is amongst the best and always have been.
He’s right up there just behind rickson gracie, but if there’s one thing i’ve notices it’s that fedor always struggles against strong opponents, particularly those with a wrestling background.

And we all know that MMA isn’t exactly big money, at least for the fighters. So it is nothing short of insane for someone to turn down a contract worth millions, not to mention the additional publicity and commission he would receive in the US.

Styles make fights, but unfortunately lesnars is a nightmare matchup for him, and he knows it.

You can pull of a submission against an oaf like choi, but lesnars ground game combined with his strength would be too much. His best bet is striking, but lesnar isn’t a slow dude and his boxing only keeps getting better.
If fedor eventually decides to stop ducking and diving and finally faces his nemesis, he will not last the full duration. I predict lesnar by brutal ground and pound.[/quote]…and I’m afraid of you. This is nonsense!

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[quote]rasturai wrote:
this will be a never-ending arguement…who gives a fuck really. AND LISTEN
Most of these guys arent scared of eachothers. Hell when I was 18 years old I was 5’8 and fought in the 205 division muay thai…I fought a MUCH bigger guy, who was also 6’5.
I wasn’t scared.
Most of these guys who fight eachother…aren’t scared either…it’s just pressure.[/quote]

you win?

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I don’t see that being the case.

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[quote]Im Yolked wrote:
First of all Fedor is amongst the best and always have been.
He’s right up there just behind rickson gracie, but if there’s one thing i’ve notices it’s that fedor always struggles against strong opponents, particularly those with a wrestling background.

And we all know that MMA isn’t exactly big money, at least for the fighters. So it is nothing short of insane for someone to turn down a contract worth millions, not to mention the additional publicity and commission he would receive in the US.

Styles make fights, but unfortunately lesnars is a nightmare matchup for him, and he knows it.

You can pull of a submission against an oaf like choi, but lesnars ground game combined with his strength would be too much. His best bet is striking, but lesnar isn’t a slow dude and his boxing only keeps getting better.
If fedor eventually decides to stop ducking and diving and finally faces his nemesis, he will not last the full duration. I predict lesnar by brutal ground and pound.[/quote]Your right about styles make fights and anything can happen in a fight. I don’t think that Fedor is scared of Lesnar.

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I was looking forward to that fight too! Man…Carwin is a good matchup for Brock…it will be interesting…hopefully sometime in the near future

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[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
ZEB wrote:
As far as his size and strength it is, so far, unparalleled, as Shane Carwin will soon find out.

Well, technically his size has been paralleled. Sapp, Paul Varelans, The Giant Silva, and John Matua (I’m sure there have been more, but those are the ones I could think of off the top of my head) were all as big if not bigger than Lesnar. Strength wise, maybe. Though to tell really.

But being that size, and strength, with the speed, explosiveness, and wrestling skill that Lesnar has, no, Lesnar is alone in that category. Carwin has the better striking and more KO power though, so we’ll have to wait and see how that fight plays out.[/quote]

I just watched the PRIDE fight between Fedor and Coleman this morning and Fedor had little problems with Coleman’s wrestling skills. At the end of the fight it didn’t look like Fedor had been touched or even broken a sweat while Coleman’s face was pretty well messed up. Watching that fight again really brought home how quick Fedor is at regaining his feet even when he was taken down…amazing.

As far as Carwin having more KO power, I’m not so sure. How many of Carwin’s opponents had to have facial reconstruction surgery for their shattered bones like Heath Herring did???

If you need comparison of how fast Brock is for his size, just watch some of the fights on this season’s TUF. The heavyweights on that show look like they move in slow motion compared to Brock.

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[quote]SeaHag wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:
ZEB wrote:
As far as his size and strength it is, so far, unparalleled, as Shane Carwin will soon find out.

Well, technically his size has been paralleled. Sapp, Paul Varelans, The Giant Silva, and John Matua (I’m sure there have been more, but those are the ones I could think of off the top of my head) were all as big if not bigger than Lesnar. Strength wise, maybe. Though to tell really.

But being that size, and strength, with the speed, explosiveness, and wrestling skill that Lesnar has, no, Lesnar is alone in that category. Carwin has the better striking and more KO power though, so we’ll have to wait and see how that fight plays out.

I just watched the PRIDE fight between Fedor and Coleman this morning and Fedor had little problems with Coleman’s wrestling skills. At the end of the fight it didn’t look like Fedor had been touched or even broken a sweat while Coleman’s face was pretty well messed up. Watching that fight again really brought home how quick Fedor is at regaining his feet even when he was taken down…amazing.
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Coleman was able to take Fedor down, that’s about it. He’s always pretty much just been a big, strong wrestler, never really developed into anything more.

Randleman on the other hand was definitely getting the better of Fedor, and (at least for a moment) had Fedor in some trouble with that disgusting jumping suplex. Of course, Fedor shrugged it off, reversed him and submitted him promptly, but he still seemed to be having problems with his wrestling.

Neither one of them are/were as big or strong as Brock though.

Did he knock Herring out? No. Just because he can hit a bag hard doesn’t mean that he can also hit hard accurately and at the right time, both variables that have to be taken into consideration when determining KO power. If you’ve seen the Tyson documentary, he states this pretty clearly.

I don’t think that anyone is comparing the heavyweights on this season’s TUF to Brock (or any top tier heavyweight). But yeah, I don’t think anyone is denying that he is freakishly fast for his size.

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[quote]Sentoguy wrote:

Did he knock Herring out? No. Just because he can hit a bag hard doesn’t mean that he can also hit hard accurately and at the right time, both variables that have to be taken into consideration when determining KO power. If you’ve seen the Tyson documentary, he states this pretty clearly.

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Haven’t seen it…Do you know where I can find Tyson’s documentary?

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I watched it on google video two weeks ago. Just do an internet search and you should find it floating around somewhere.

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[quote]SeaHag wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:

Did he knock Herring out? No. Just because he can hit a bag hard doesn’t mean that he can also hit hard accurately and at the right time, both variables that have to be taken into consideration when determining KO power. If you’ve seen the Tyson documentary, he states this pretty clearly.

Haven’t seen it…Do you know where I can find Tyson’s documentary?[/quote]

Not sure about the internet. I watched it on PPV on demand a couple weeks ago.

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Lesnar will hold the title for a while…He beat Greco Roman Wrestler and veteran Randy Couture…Jiu-Jitsu man…and not a bad striker… Frank Mir…and Heath Herring whatever he’s known for…What is he known for? Oh well…No one’s beating Lesnar for a long time especially Carwin. Carwin is good at the same stuff Lesnar is only Lesnar does it better. If you’re a wrestler and you’re going to face a big fast and strong wrestler you better be bigger faster and stronger Carwin isn’t. At least that’s how I see it, but like any fan I could be wrong.[/quote]

Not much doubt that Carwin is the better striker. This one seems pretty simple to me.

If Carwin can keep it standing and off the cage, good chance he knocks Brock out on knocks him down and TKO.

If Brock can get it to the ground or bully him in the clinch, he will win by TKO or by decision. I see this one going to the ground with Brock on top. Not good for Carwin.

My pick in order of probability

Lesnar by TKO
Carwin by KO
Lesnar by submission (kimura, side choke, north south choke)
Carwin by TKO
Lesnar by Dec
Lesnar by KO

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[quote]dhickey wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
Lesnar will hold the title for a while…He beat Greco Roman Wrestler and veteran Randy Couture…Jiu-Jitsu man…and not a bad striker… Frank Mir…and Heath Herring whatever he’s known for…What is he known for? Oh well…No one’s beating Lesnar for a long time especially Carwin. Carwin is good at the same stuff Lesnar is only Lesnar does it better. If you’re a wrestler and you’re going to face a big fast and strong wrestler you better be bigger faster and stronger Carwin isn’t. At least that’s how I see it, but like any fan I could be wrong.

Not much doubt that Carwin is the better striker. This one seems pretty simple to me.

If Carwin can keep it standing and off the cage, good chance he knocks Brock out on knocks him down and TKO.

If Brock can get it to the ground or bully him in the clinch, he will win by TKO or by decision. I see this one going to the ground with Brock on top. Not good for Carwin.

My pick in order of probability

Lesnar by TKO
Carwin by KO
Lesnar by submission (kimura, side choke, north south choke)
Carwin by TKO
Lesnar by Dec
Lesnar by KO[/quote]

I’d have to switch the Lesnar by sub and Lesnar by Dec. I don’t think Lesnar has really developed much of a submission game yet, and Carwin is the more experienced submission guy. Other than that, I’d probably agree with your order of probable outcomes.

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[quote]Sentoguy wrote:

My pick in order of probability

Lesnar by TKO
Carwin by KO
Lesnar by submission (kimura, side choke, north south choke)
Carwin by TKO
Lesnar by Dec
Lesnar by KO

I’d have to switch the Lesnar by sub and Lesnar by Dec. I don’t think Lesnar has really developed much of a submission game yet, and Carwin is the more experienced submission guy. Other than that, I’d probably agree with your order of probable outcomes.[/quote]

From what I’ve read on Sherdog, there is talk that Brock is up to a purple belt level in BJJ now. A bunch of people on the forums called bullshit on that one, but as some other people pointed out, it is entirely possible considering he has been training over 3.5 years FULL TIME. Unlike Carwin and many other MMA fighters, Brock’s career in the WWE provided him the kind of luxury that he didn’t need to have a full time job to fund his MMA ambitions. He as also been training with former world champions in BJJ for over 3 years FULL TIME.

As well as he tied up Mir on the ground in their second fight and didn’t give him any room to manuever his own BJJ, I’m thinking he has learned quite a bit.