My Thoughts on Fedor Emelianenko

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Fedor has been coasting since Cro Cop. He’s a legend, but like Liddell and Cro Cop, he’s last gen. He is a relic of the past. He just cannot hang in a world of elite next-generation athletes such as Anderson Silva, GSP, and Brock Lesnars…the genetic freaks of the world.

He was collecting some checks by fighting in lesser organizations and avoiding the top five guys like the plague, but now he can’t even hang with a guy who got his butt beat in the UFC.

I just don’t understand how anyone can say he’s the best heavy weight in the world, when he refuses to fight the greatest heavy weights of the world.

I will admit Fedor’s greatness, when he fights guys on the caliper of Velasquez, Carwin, Werdum, Lesnar, Overeem, etc.

He is NOT the “best” until he defeats the other people contending to be the best.

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im sure fedor is anxiously awaiting your approval…in fact it keeps him up at night

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What exactly makes them the best heavyweights? Beating each other, being in the UFC what? Werdum got clipped by JDS it happens a rematch would be very different. You realize Werdum ran a clinic on Gonzaga twice.

Gonzaga the same guy that is used by the UFC as a gatekeeper and a solid win. And Werdum was NOT CUT BY THE UFC they couldn’t reach a contract negotiation.

Like Lesnar and Carwin Fedor got caught in a submission it’s mma, it happens. It’ really quite funny seeing posts like this the guy beats two top 5 HW’s in Sylvia and Arlovski and he’s ducking UFC fighters? Who was better at that time? Lesnar heeellll no!!!

The ducking top fighters is really only valid after the Affliction fiasco and even then how can you really say the UFC HW’s are better than SF’s they have better prospects but that’s about it. If Fedor was just manhandled and beaten everywhere than you could say that he made a mistake, I think Josh Barnett analyzed the mistake perfectly.

Fedor doesn’t train with bjj guys and whenever he has trained to defend against the triangle he just pulls his head out and resets and it has worked on every bjj guy he has faced up until Werdum. It worked really well against Nog in fact.

Lastly your pretty naive if you think many fighters would survive with Werdum on the ground he is ADCC champion. And all of his losses have been against standup fighters. Andre and JDS.

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lol@sherdogger

UFC was begging former champion Arlovski to come back. Then Fedor executed him. From then on he was declared a can, of course.

Werdum is very dangerous, he had a couple of nice fights against top guys and has great credentials. He beat Gonzaga twice who is always considered to be “in the [UFC] mix”. But Dana says he’s a can.

Hong-Man Choi could easily be top UFC material. He has a solid K-1 record and a wrestling background. While awkward due to his size, he can sprawl nicely as the fight showed. He’s essentially a better version of Sylvia. Of course, he doesn’t do MMA because it makes a lot more sense to be an asian superstar instead, doing K-1 and music. More money and poonany.

Rogers would steamroll half of the UFC heavies but he’s a can, too, since he’s in Strikeforce.

Coleman, a former champion and juiced to the brim -thanks to Japan’s liberal policy- wasn’t a top dog, but no can either. But since Dana says he’s a can (funny the UFC took him in afterwards), I guess he is.

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Fedor fought a lot of guys. A few cans, many solid guys and a lot of top dogs, hungry for the #1 spot, burning with motivation. He always went forward, always going for the kill. This resulted in so many spectacular finishes.
He dominated for nearly ten (!) years.

Where do I find this consistency in the UFC? I don’t.

Lesnar is all about freaky mass.
Carwin is similar to Rogers, although stronger, but his cardio is astonishingly weak.
They’re not to be trifled with, but no true champions, relying mostly on their bizarre weight advantage.
Still, Nelson, Velasquez, JDS are good, too. We’ll see how they’ll evolve.

Strikeforce can easily match this menagerie.

This is the last time I’ll respond to such a stupid thread. I hope this is not a trend in our jolly forum.

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Can we just get “Fedor Suckz” and “Fedor Rulez” sticky threads at the top, and dump all the reposts?

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Yeah good are the UFC robots Lesnar who begs for a knee in his face or an uppercut as soon as someone throws a punch at him or Carwin who gasses on the first round.

uhuh yeah elite indeed…

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The op is a big Dana white fan I can see…

Please don’t post your “thoughts” again unless you are on sherdog or ufc forums…

Verdum is a SICK jitsu guy, anyone can be cought by him…your precious lesnar got cought by Frank and mark my words will get cought again if he faces a good ground player…

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Fedor nuthuggers will never stop. Even if he lost 5 times in a row. ‘HE GOT CAUGHT BY A WORLD CLASS BOXER OK, HE DIDNT GET TO GO TO THE GROUND’

‘HE GOT LAY’n’PRAYED BY A WORLD CLASS WRESTLER OK HE DIDNT HAVE A CHANCE TO DO ANYTHING’

‘HE GOT SUBBED BY A WORLD CLASS GRAPPLER ITS NOT LIKE THIS IS MMA OR ANYTHING HE SHOULD HAVE STOOD UP AND TRIED TO PUNCH WITH FEDOR OK!!!’

Get a grip. Not only did Werdum straight up beat Fedor; everyone who is hanging on the ‘Fedor rocked him’ train need to rewatch the angles. Fedor never hurt Werdum. He got served.

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[quote]jdinatale wrote:
Fedor nuthuggers will never stop. Even if he lost 5 times in a row. ‘HE GOT CAUGHT BY A WORLD CLASS BOXER OK, HE DIDNT GET TO GO TO THE GROUND’

‘HE GOT LAY’n’PRAYED BY A WORLD CLASS WRESTLER OK HE DIDNT HAVE A CHANCE TO DO ANYTHING’

‘HE GOT SUBBED BY A WORLD CLASS GRAPPLER ITS NOT LIKE THIS IS MMA OR ANYTHING HE SHOULD HAVE STOOD UP AND TRIED TO PUNCH WITH FEDOR OK!!!’

Get a grip. Not only did Werdum straight up beat Fedor; everyone who is hanging on the ‘Fedor rocked him’ train need to rewatch the angles. Fedor never hurt Werdum. He got served.[/quote]

you’re the only one on this thread pushing a biased agenda. we dont need five excuse, he lost once…and didnt even give one. no shame in fighting at that level and losing except in the eyes of fairweather fanboys such as yourself.

one loss in 10 years and the vultures circle, classic mma fandom, makes me hate people that call themselves fans

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Fedor nuthuggers are delerious and in serious denial that he’s rapidly declining. He just lost to a fringe top-10 guy, and will soon be doing the chuck liddel thing, of losing every time he doesn’t fight a can. I’d love to see overeem knock him into the stands

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You see this all the time with dominant sportsmen. One loss or trip up or bad run and suddenly “oh, hes fallen off!” It’s just a bad case of relativism, judging people by unrealistic standards, just lame. If any other fighter was judged by the standards that Fedor is judged by, then they would all be “falling off” with “declining careers”.

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Yawn.

The problem with the UFC is, the organization is so dominant with it’s marketing that people hardly notice UFC champions validate themselves solely by beating other UFC champs.
That makes careful and sensible comparisons rather hard, especially for teenagers like the OP.

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[quote]Dymdez wrote:
You see this all the time with dominant sportsmen. One loss or trip up or bad run and suddenly “oh, hes fallen off!” It’s just a bad case of relativism, judging people by unrealistic standards, just lame. If any other fighter was judged by the standards that Fedor is judged by, then they would all be “falling off” with “declining careers”.[/quote]

No, he’s been a bit slower in the last few years, footwork is considerably worse even though he’s a boxer/sambo guy. Footwork should be his mainstay. Look at the rogers fight, fedor couldn’t even finish a PT walmart employee.

He was also noticeably flabbier than usual, and if he can’t come in shape, he’s not going to win. He’s nowhere near as good as when he fought coleman or crocop. That fedor was deadly, this one just isn’t the same.

Sorry, but fedor is going downhill and in a year or so it will be obvious, and in two itwill be almost painful to watch as he’s going to be fighting cans or get KTFO.

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[quote]jdinatale wrote:
Fedor nuthuggers will never stop. Even if he lost 5 times in a row. ‘HE GOT CAUGHT BY A WORLD CLASS BOXER OK, HE DIDNT GET TO GO TO THE GROUND’

‘HE GOT LAY’n’PRAYED BY A WORLD CLASS WRESTLER OK HE DIDNT HAVE A CHANCE TO DO ANYTHING’

‘HE GOT SUBBED BY A WORLD CLASS GRAPPLER ITS NOT LIKE THIS IS MMA OR ANYTHING HE SHOULD HAVE STOOD UP AND TRIED TO PUNCH WITH FEDOR OK!!!’

Get a grip. Not only did Werdum straight up beat Fedor; everyone who is hanging on the ‘Fedor rocked him’ train need to rewatch the angles. Fedor never hurt Werdum. He got served.[/quote]

I’m not a Fedor “nuthugger” but this has got to be one of the most ignorant posts ever. Guys just love to talk non-sense.

Again did he lose 5 times in a row? No he just lost once…after 10 YEARS. You know…how about you try to train your balls off everyday in and out for 10 years and see what it does to you MENTALLLY…nevermind what it does to your body physically. Even some of the best fighters have that day where they ask themsevles “Do I really want to do this still”

Again…why do these things ONLY happen in combat sports?

If your best and favourite LA LAKERS B-ball team lose a game…are they falling off? A huge decline? No…everyone just scoffs it off and hopefully they win the next game. But if a champion fighter loses…oh no, he’s done…no more fighting for him. Again…if the LA LAKERS LOSE a game now…are people really going to write them off? Hell no.
Machida lost…do a lot of people think he’s done with? No. He just “got caught”…and Fedor just got caught…so what’s the big deal???
I really just don’t understand.

I want to repeat this: Combat sports is like ANY OTHER SPORT. In basketball, hockey whatever…team lose all the time and it’s not a huge deal. But if a fighter loses, they are written off. Why?

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He really is held to a different, unrealistic standard. The only shocker is that, for 10 years straight he actually upheld that standard! No other fighter has ever come close.

I don’t really care about “rankings,” and I hate when people get into arguments about them. Rankings have too much to do with who someone has or hasn’t fought most recently, what those guys’ rankings are/were at the time, MMA math comes into it (which makes NO sense, as we all know) . . rankings are silly.

What I DO find more interesting to discuss is just a general, overall question such as, “Who’s the best heavyweight in MMA?” Meaning, which one is MOST LIKELY to be able to beat all the other heavyweights, or the highest number of the other top-level heavyweights? To that, without a doubt, I’d say Fedor.

(a.) If there was no weight advantage, disadvantage, this is a no-brainer. If you magically enlarged Fedor, keeping him in the same proportions, so that he weighed as much as Brock and Shane, he’d demolish them. His skill set is simply 100 times wider, more varied, he’s great at pretty much EVERYthing, he’s as fast as a lightweight, his transitions are like no one else’s, his hip speed and flexibility are just silly, he’s got crazy one-punch KO power, his submissions are sick, especially off his back, etc., etc.

(b.) Even WITH the weight disadvantage that he does have in reality, I’d STILL put money on him over any other heavyweight (with Overeem being the closest call, I think. Overeem might take him.) People keep saying, “He looked bad in this fight, he looked bad in that fight . . . .” Fedor has looked bad for a while in LOTS of fights over the past decade – but then he pulled off a fucking sub from hell, or a KO, or a TKO, or just started laying enough of a beating on them for the rest of the fight to win a solid decision. It’s not “how he looked,” it’s that he KEEPS FUCKING PULLING OUT WINS. He’s a smart, tactical, thinking fighter, he doesn’t get frazzled when he’s in trouble or getting hurt (not one bit), he doesn’t fit “not to lose,” and he ALWAYS fucking comes at you.

More than any other fighter in MMA, I’d say, that guys is ALWAYS. Trying. To. FINISH. The. Fucking. Fight.

So hypothetically, over the next 2 or 3 years, if he finally did fight Lesnar, Overeem, Carween, dos Santos and Velazquez, even if he lost to 1 or 2 of those? I’d still say he goes down as the greatest heavyweight of all time.

However, I’d have money on him losing zero of those. Maybe one at the most, but if he’s on his game and doesn’t make any overconfident mistakes, I think he could sweep that field.

Just IMO.

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he just lost to somebody that, before his latest fight, was considered a fringe top-10 fighter.

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[quote]jdinatale wrote:
Fedor has been coasting since Cro Cop. He’s a legend, but like Liddell and Cro Cop, he’s last gen. He is a relic of the past. He just cannot hang in a world of elite next-generation athletes such as Anderson Silva, GSP, and Brock Lesnars…the genetic freaks of the world.

He was collecting some checks by fighting in lesser organizations and avoiding the top five guys like the plague, but now he can’t even hang with a guy who got his butt beat in the UFC.
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The reason you think this is because you’re 19 years old and stupid.

:slight_smile:

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[quote]BackInAction wrote:

[quote]jdinatale wrote:
Fedor has been coasting since Cro Cop. He’s a legend, but like Liddell and Cro Cop, he’s last gen. He is a relic of the past. He just cannot hang in a world of elite next-generation athletes such as Anderson Silva, GSP, and Brock Lesnars…the genetic freaks of the world.

He was collecting some checks by fighting in lesser organizations and avoiding the top five guys like the plague, but now he can’t even hang with a guy who got his butt beat in the UFC.
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The reason you think this is because you’re 19 years old and stupid.

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says the person with a Naruto character as a profile picture.

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[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:

Lesnar is all about freaky mass. [/quote]

He was also all about being the HW division one wrestling champ in college where he went up against guys his size as well. His “freak mass” gave him about a 15 pound weight advantage over Mir they are the same height. And he and Carwin came in at the exact same weight! It’s more skill, and strength.

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[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Yawn.

The problem with the UFC is, the organization is so dominant with it’s marketing that people hardly notice UFC champions validate themselves solely by beating other UFC champs.
That makes careful and sensible comparisons rather hard, especially for teenagers like the OP.

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I don’t like Dana White much at all, but I cannot deny that the best fighters in the world, with only a handful of exceptions, fight in the UFC.