Father Executes 15 Year Old Son

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[quote]meangenes wrote:
Rekkitanko wrote:
But then why did HE do it?

Irrelevant.

I don’t know the family, the neighbourhood or the father, he may be a junky for all I know. From what I gathered, it sounds like the father flipped out completly and acted quite congruently with how someone in his position would.

This was his son.

What if it were the kid (at 15 you really do look like a kid) from accross the street, who goes to church on sundays, isn’t a gangbanger, sings songs at Christmas?

Not the case.

Try to justify your thoughts a little bit more thoroughly. You will find that you may have to do some research and possibly some soul searching but ultimately you will have a more positive outlook on life as well as a new found respect for the humane treatment of fellow human beings.

A 15 year old does not have the mental capacity to understand the repercussions of his actions. That can be a hard quality to amend in life. But I am not in defense of the 15 year old’s actions – that’s not the point. Rather, I am in full opposition to the father’s actions. He was wrong. Taking a life is wrong. Nevermind, your own son’s life. Cut and dry.

Life without possibility of parole. [/quote]

You may have gotten the wrong impression that I was trying to justify my thoughts. I was not, I was simply expanding the subject via trivial examples. Like I said I was not trying to enter a debate about the father’s action, merely proposing another way to look at this.

For the sake of it, I will try to offer a simple rebutal. My intention is not to offer a constructive or mentally challenging response.

“15 year old does not have the mental capacity to understand the repercussions of his actions”
This is not true. Cerebral matter and neuronal connexions are established before the age of 6. Mental capacity does not mean acting like a mature individual. I’ll also offer you my life experience, I am an orphant and had to stand up for my own soon in life, growing under soviet times was not the nicest of time. At 15 I knew what killing someone meant.

Soul searching I have had plenty of occasions to do that and I can honestly say that I am very introspective.
“outlook on life as well as a new found respect for the humane treatment of fellow human beings.” Are you assuming that I don’t respect life and other humans, if so please define respect I am not talking dictionary style, philosophycally. You may need to concider that respect is a politically correct concept, if you have ever been to India I am sure that you are familiar with “untouchables” assuming that respect is a universal concept is wrong, it varies in meaning and accorind to your environment.

Answer this question for me. What makes it wrong to kill a person? I am not asking for an ethical answer, I’ll even make it easier for you demonstrate how killing someone is wrong.

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[quote]That One Guy wrote:
Good isn’t the same as right.

It might be good for the world that that kid was killed, but that doesn’t make it right to have him executed in this situation. I’ve not problem with the death penalty, but this situation is a bit too far.[/quote]

This is a simple question of congruency. Like I said is it wrong to do the right thing or right to do the wrong thing?

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Just string his ass up from a tree by the neck til he stops kicking.

Someone literally saw him do it. There’s no question of guilt, kill his ass.

I don’t see a problem.

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[quote]meangenes wrote:

A 15 year old does not have the mental capacity to understand the repercussions of his actions. [/quote]

Why do people say things like that. Teens are not “children” in the same sense as a 5 year old but people seem to want to believe that. Less than one hundred years ago, 15 year olds were getting married and being heads of households. I know of a woman who is now in her 80’s that married at 15 and her life seems to have turned out good. My great grandmothers were married and running households at 16.

The point is that yes a teen does have the mental capacity to understand fully what they are doing and to operate in this world. Its just that in our western society, for some reason, they make us believe that if you are under 18, you cant put one foot in front of the other w/o a parents permission or adult supervision.

The 15 year old doesnt have the mental capacity line is bullshit.

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[quote]Rekkitanko wrote:

You may have gotten the wrong impression that I was trying to justify my thoughts. I was not, I was simply expanding the subject via trivial examples. Like I said I was not trying to enter a debate about the father’s action, merely proposing another way to look at this.

For the sake of it, I will try to offer a simple rebutal. My intention is not to offer a constructive or mentally challenging response.

“15 year old does not have the mental capacity to understand the repercussions of his actions”
This is not true. Cerebral matter and neuronal connexions are established before the age of 6. Mental capacity does not mean acting like a mature individual. I’ll also offer you my life experience, I am an orphant and had to stand up for my own soon in life, growing under soviet times was not the nicest of time. At 15 I knew what killing someone meant.[/quote]

Good call on the mental capacity claim. But mental capacity is not solely dependent upon neural structure and developmental synapse. There are environmental factors also known as experiences.

Anyone under the age of 18 does not have legal capacity, unless emancipated. There is good reason for this. http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/new-research-shows-stark-differences-teen-brains

Interesting article. Check it out.

Also, did you understand the lawful consequences of murdering someone at the age of 15? If so, please explain roughly what you thought you knew.

Consequences are not deterrents to actions in adults nor children. Compare crime rates to imprisonment rates.

I wasn’t in defense of his actions because I don’t need to be. After the fact it just seems forgivable to me. Then again, I’m not his father. Wait…

[quote]Soul searching I have had plenty of occasions to do that and I can honestly say that I am very introspective.
“outlook on life as well as a new found respect for the humane treatment of fellow human beings.” Thanks for assuming that I don’t respect life and other humans. You may need to concider that respect is a politically correct concept, if you have ever been to India I am sure that you are familiar with “untouchables” assuming that respect is a universal concept is wrong.[/quote]

From what I observed you don’t have a respect for human life. No-one that advocates murder does. This was no assumption.

Anyhow, respect is a universal concept. Atoms are in respect, quarks are in respect, planets, stars and galaxies – all in respect. It seems as though the only time respect is not a universal concept is in regard to relations of the insurmountable human ego.

The caste system deemed obsolete under the Indian Constitution. A declaration founded in the Natural Law theory; which also coincidentally happens to be at the base of the 3 main world religions as well as any non-religious philosophy worth it’s salt.

No individual has the right to kill another individual under this very simple doctrine.

My apologies for talking to you like a big retard. All due respect, you’re “perspective” wasn’t that compelling either way. But I thought that you might be in defense of the father’s actions. My mistake.

But I’d still try not to split hairs or trying to portray this particular situation in a different perspective by offering examples that are not relevant.

It happened in Detroit, which happens to be a city which is part of a “civilized” union with a Constitution based in Natural Law. In this particular case, the state won’t even have the right to put him to death. It’s not even entertaining to attempt to justify his actions with odd-ball plot restructuring.

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[quote]clip11 wrote:
meangenes wrote:

A 15 year old does not have the mental capacity to understand the repercussions of his actions.

Why do people say things like that. Teens are not “children” in the same sense as a 5 year old but people seem to want to believe that. Less than one hundred years ago, 15 year olds were getting married and being heads of households. I know of a woman who is now in her 80’s that married at 15 and her life seems to have turned out good. My great grandmothers were married and running households at 16.

The point is that yes a teen does have the mental capacity to understand fully what they are doing and to operate in this world. Its just that in our western society, for some reason, they make us believe that if you are under 18, you cant put one foot in front of the other w/o a parents permission or adult supervision.

The 15 year old doesnt have the mental capacity line is bullshit.[/quote]

The world is growing. Things are becoming more complicated. In turn life is becoming harder. You simply have to know more shit now.

As a testament to that, the average person can’t get a decent job without a degree. 50 years from now people will be graduating with a masters at the age of 25 and be considering your doctorate because you can’t live on the meager salary that a masters offers.

Ethics also want to evolve.

Believe it or not it will prove itself not to be bullshit.

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I am pretty sure it was not acceptable to our modern society for the father to execute his son. We don’t know about the offense, “touching” in a wrong place could have been really bad, or bad but nothing some counseling couldn’t help clear up. We don’t know. My guess was if the kid confessed he was probably a troubled teen due to his relationship with his father. I mean if the father beats him and then takes him out and shoots him you think thier relationship has been all chuckles and throwing the football around tha back yard for the past 15?

To me it seems evident the kid was probably physically and mentally abused by his father, these are the people most likley to commit sex crimes against children. The unfortunate thing was he must have been feeling a huge mount of guilt over it in order to confess. Maybe the father should have shot himself instead? For failing his family and society? At 15 years old, the mind is still quite maliable and can make some pretty significant changes. So not only do I think it was not acceptable from a societal standpoint, personally I think the father was in the wrong, and not just a little bit either.

Punishment? Fuck I hate life in prison, also don’t like to be killing people outright. I think this could be one of those times when you take a baot 15 miles out into the ocean and just throw em overboard. You can make it the 15 miles back, congrats, you are a free and probably changed man. If not, well tough shit.

V

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[quote]Vegita wrote:
I am pretty sure it was not acceptable to our modern society for the father to execute his son. We don’t know about the offense, “touching” in a wrong place could have been really bad, or bad but nothing some counseling couldn’t help clear up. We don’t know. My guess was if the kid confessed he was probably a troubled teen due to his relationship with his father. I mean if the father beats him and then takes him out and shoots him you think thier relationship has been all chuckles and throwing the football around tha back yard for the past 15?

To me it seems evident the kid was probably physically and mentally abused by his father, these are the people most likley to commit sex crimes against children. The unfortunate thing was he must have been feeling a huge mount of guilt over it in order to confess. Maybe the father should have shot himself instead? For failing his family and society? At 15 years old, the mind is still quite maliable and can make some pretty significant changes. So not only do I think it was not acceptable from a societal standpoint, personally I think the father was in the wrong, and not just a little bit either.

Punishment? Fuck I hate life in prison, also don’t like to be killing people outright. I think this could be one of those times when you take a baot 15 miles out into the ocean and just throw em overboard. You can make it the 15 miles back, congrats, you are a free and probably changed man. If not, well tough shit.

V[/quote]

I like this.

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We don’t even know what the boy did. I have a hunch it wasn’t all that bad. He was 15, probably pretty low IQ, intensely curious about girls and his little sister is running around naked. What he did that was so “reprehensible” might have been interpreted by more cultured, relaxed and tolerant people as just a little exploration.

The story brought a tear to my eye. “Daddy no, daddy no!” Jesus Christ. People, love your children so they don’t grow up to be monsters that do such heartless things.

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[quote]Treebeard wrote:
Rekkitanko wrote:
I’ll refrain from giving my opinion over the incident but here is a thought.

Everbody is always arguing that, if anyone ever touched their kid, they’ll go Hannibal on their ass, well, if the turth is indeed being told here, nobody seems to be on the side of the father. The aunt is freaked out, the family finds this unacceptable. Yet I am sure that if a stranger molested their kid, it would be all different. What aggravates me is that those people are to simple to even grasp this concept.

Then County Prosecutor says: “No individual has the right to exact the death penalty on another, no matter how reprehensible the behavior. That is why we have laws,” … oh right is that why, I dono, death penalty is still around.

So yeah for all of you who say he is a sick fuck, what would you do if someone molested your mother, daughter, wife?

no death penalty in Michigan[/quote]

Except in federal crimes where the sentence would be carried out in another case.

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Listen at this point no one knows all that much about the specifics of this case.

But having said that lets cut the sanctimonious bull shit

  1. A 15 yr old sure as fuck does know doing anything sexual with a toddler is wrong unless he is a mental deficient ie retard get over I said it.

  2. Anyone who has a child who pulls that self riteous forgive and forget bullshit doesn’t deserve a child and would wholeheartedly if a normal parent not watched act out in some way and have in the past and been exonerated as well as convicted depending on the jury as well as probably gotten away with it somewhere.

  3. Anyone who belives counseling is the answer to this type of shit needs counseling! Hey wait a min that doesn’t work.

  4. Let watch how this unfolds my gut tells me while he has a chance of a defensible action ie crimes of passion he also had a ton of forebearing stripping the kid down and waltzing him out into a field and excuting him not much spontinaety there.

  5. I am a parent my children are the single most precious thing in my life far more than my own life, if anyone and I mean anyone set out to do them harm as cliche as it sounds may God have mercy on their soul because I won’t better the cops get them before I do. I’m a Dad and and I tell you what at some point I might be able to rationalize things as I have been a law abiding citizen but intially or when my mind went Idle I’m not shitting you the cops better get them first. Unless you have held you new born baby in your hands right after birth and realized that you Love them like you knew them an eternity yet you are just holding them then you will never know the pain if someone hurt your child.

So I say lets sit back watch it play out if the dad needs to go down he will he is already in custody.

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[quote]Bodyguard wrote:
Listen at this point no one knows all that much about the specifics of this case.

But having said that lets cut the sanctimonious bull shit

  1. A 15 yr old sure as fuck does know doing anything sexual with a toddler is wrong unless he is a mental deficient ie retard get over I said it.

  2. Anyone who has a child who pulls that self riteous forgive and forget bullshit doesn’t deserve a child and would wholeheartedly if a normal parent not watched act out in some way and have in the past and been exonerated as well as convicted depending on the jury as well as probably gotten away with it somewhere.

  3. Anyone who belives counseling is the answer to this type of shit needs counseling! Hey wait a min that doesn’t work.

  4. Let watch how this unfolds my gut tells me while he has a chance of a defensible action ie crimes of passion he also had a ton of forebearing stripping the kid down and waltzing him out into a field and excuting him not much spontinaety there.

  5. I am a parent my children are the single most precious thing in my life far more than my own life, if anyone and I mean anyone set out to do them harm as cliche as it sounds may God have mercy on their soul because I won’t better the cops get them before I do. I’m a Dad and and I tell you what at some point I might be able to rationalize things as I have been a law abiding citizen but intially or when my mind went Idle I’m not shitting you the cops better get them first. Unless you have held you new born baby in your hands right after birth and realized that you Love them like you knew them an eternity yet you are just holding them then you will never know the pain if someone hurt your child.

So I say lets sit back watch it play out if the dad needs to go down he will he is already in custody.[/quote]

Just want to make sure you understood the part where, the 15 year old is his son. His own flesh and blood.

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[quote]imhungry wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
imhungry wrote:
Rekkitanko wrote:

So yeah for all of you who say he is a sick fuck, what would you do if someone molested your mother, daughter, wife?

I don’t know what i’d do. But, I sure as hell would take my own kid’s life.

Can we send this post to an FBI profiler or something? You sick bastard!

Fixed my post, eh? How mature:p

Twat.
[/quote]

Actually I didn’t. That’s what you typed, look at your post. Freudian slip?

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[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
imhungry wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
imhungry wrote:
Rekkitanko wrote:

So yeah for all of you who say he is a sick fuck, what would you do if someone molested your mother, daughter, wife?

I don’t know what i’d do. But, I sure as hell would take my own kid’s life.

Can we send this post to an FBI profiler or something? You sick bastard!

Fixed my post, eh? How mature:p

Twat.

Actually I didn’t. That’s what you typed, look at your post. Freudian slip?[/quote]

Nope. I don’t know what you’re talking about… My post is fine.

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[quote]clip11 wrote:
meangenes wrote:

A 15 year old does not have the mental capacity to understand the repercussions of his actions.

Why do people say things like that. Teens are not “children” in the same sense as a 5 year old but people seem to want to believe that. Less than one hundred years ago, 15 year olds were getting married and being heads of households. I know of a woman who is now in her 80’s that married at 15 and her life seems to have turned out good. My great grandmothers were married and running households at 16.

The point is that yes a teen does have the mental capacity to understand fully what they are doing and to operate in this world. Its just that in our western society, for some reason, they make us believe that if you are under 18, you cant put one foot in front of the other w/o a parents permission or adult supervision.

The 15 year old doesnt have the mental capacity line is bullshit.[/quote]

I do believe the courts consider the age of 7 to be the age of reason. That is the age when a human child can understand the concept of right and wrong. So a kid twice that age DEFINITELY knows the difference between right and wrong. Why do people think kids are so dumb? On a side note, that reminds me of a story of a Christmas parade not having Mrs. Claus sitting next to Santa because having two people dressed in red Santa suits would confuse kids. Do you really think kids can’t tell the difference between a guy in a Santa suit and a woman in a red and white Santa-esque dress? Why do adults think kids are so dumb?

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[quote]imhungry wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
imhungry wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
imhungry wrote:
Rekkitanko wrote:

So yeah for all of you who say he is a sick fuck, what would you do if someone molested your mother, daughter, wife?

I don’t know what i’d do. But, I sure as hell would take my own kid’s life.

Can we send this post to an FBI profiler or something? You sick bastard!

Fixed my post, eh? How mature:p

Twat.

Actually I didn’t. That’s what you typed, look at your post. Freudian slip?

Nope. I don’t know what you’re talking about… My post is fine.[/quote]

I hate you so much.

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[quote]on edge wrote:
We don’t even know what the boy did. I have a hunch it wasn’t all that bad. He was 15, probably pretty low IQ, intensely curious about girls and his little sister is running around naked. What he did that was so “reprehensible” might have been interpreted by more cultured, relaxed and tolerant people as just a little exploration.
[/quote]

What the fuck?

My interpretation of this post is that you’re presenting the sexual molestation of a toddler by a 15 year-old as ‘a little exploration’ by a cultured, relaxed, tolerant people.

I want no part of your tolerant culture. I hope that’s not what you’re implying.

Or there’s some sarcasm in there I’m not getting. It happens.

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[quote]Bodyguard wrote:
Treebeard wrote:
Rekkitanko wrote:
I’ll refrain from giving my opinion over the incident but here is a thought.

Everbody is always arguing that, if anyone ever touched their kid, they’ll go Hannibal on their ass, well, if the turth is indeed being told here, nobody seems to be on the side of the father. The aunt is freaked out, the family finds this unacceptable. Yet I am sure that if a stranger molested their kid, it would be all different. What aggravates me is that those people are to simple to even grasp this concept.

Then County Prosecutor says: “No individual has the right to exact the death penalty on another, no matter how reprehensible the behavior. That is why we have laws,” … oh right is that why, I dono, death penalty is still around.

So yeah for all of you who say he is a sick fuck, what would you do if someone molested your mother, daughter, wife?

no death penalty in Michigan

Except in federal crimes where the sentence would be carried out in another case.[/quote]

Ok, right. But isn’t that pretty rare? Anyways, my point was that it seemed fine for the County Prosecutor to say what he did considering he comes from the first state to end Capital Punishment.

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[quote]Volunteers at the high school where Pinkney Jr. was a sophomore said the teen was “always smiling,” according to The Detroit News.

The principal at Martin Luther King Jr. High School, Deborah Jenkins, told the paper that Pinkney Jr. was “well-liked” and that the school community has been “shaken badly” by his death.

“He was articulate. He passed his courses with A’s, B’s and C’s. Everyone knew him to be a nice, quiet boy,” said Jenkins.[/quote]

– Of course, people rarely accuse murder victims of being pricks when they were alive.

Given that the kid confessed to his mother - suggesting that he knew he messed up bad - I’m leaning towards the whole beating/stripping/execution thing being somewhat of an overreaction. But I know how tough the T-Nation crowd is on pedos.

I’m interested if they are going to detail what, exactly, the “inappropriate touching” was… was the kid a baby diddler, or was he capped for grabbing some ass?

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[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
imhungry wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
imhungry wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
imhungry wrote:
Rekkitanko wrote:

So yeah for all of you who say he is a sick fuck, what would you do if someone molested your mother, daughter, wife?

I don’t know what i’d do. But, I sure as hell would take my own kid’s life.

Can we send this post to an FBI profiler or something? You sick bastard!

Fixed my post, eh? How mature:p

Twat.

Actually I didn’t. That’s what you typed, look at your post. Freudian slip?

Nope. I don’t know what you’re talking about… My post is fine.

I hate you so much.
[/quote]

Since there’s a thin line between love and hate, are you sure that it’s hate that you feel?

I’ll admit that I edited my post…