Father Executes 15 Year Old Son

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[quote]Otep wrote:
on edge wrote:
We don’t even know what the boy did. I have a hunch it wasn’t all that bad. He was 15, probably pretty low IQ, intensely curious about girls and his little sister is running around naked. What he did that was so “reprehensible” might have been interpreted by more cultured, relaxed and tolerant people as just a little exploration.

What the fuck?

My interpretation of this post is that you’re presenting the sexual molestation of a toddler by a 15 year-old as ‘a little exploration’ by a cultured, relaxed, tolerant people.

I want no part of your tolerant culture. I hope that’s not what you’re implying.

Or there’s some sarcasm in there I’m not getting. It happens.[/quote]

You’re assuming it was molestation or something close to it. Any reasonable person would considering the fathers reaction. The problem is we live in a world with a lot of really fucked up people and when you get enough fucked up people you get some really fucked up things happening. (Anything that CAN happen WILL eventually happen). My “hunch” is based on the kid “admitting” to something. I don’t know about you, but when I was 15 I wasn’t admitting to anything unless I was caught red-handed.

I doubt we will ever find out exactly what happened but it wouldn’t surprise me if it was something like the kid was helping his little sister go to the bathroom. Maybe in wiping her he inadvertently touched her vagina and the mom or an aunt saw the contact and accused him of doing it on purpose and things got out of hand from there. Sound far fetched? In a family where a man can do what that man did, it’s not so far fetched.

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it looks like this kid is just a mistake he made at 22 years old. 10 years later, he’s in a relationship with some chick that he likes and has another child that he cares about. first kid hurts his precious, and now he wants to correct the mistake he made so long ago.

sorry. dad heard the news, grabbed a gun, drove to the mom’s house, and beat the shit out of the kid before finishing him off like they do in the movies. he thought about it. this stopped his child support payments. best thing that can happen is the mother snaps and kills the dad on the way to trial.

if our governor does one thing right, she’ll realize that it’s fiscally responsible to implement the death penalty. god knows michigan is circling the toilet bowl in every single way.

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[quote]Geraldo105 wrote:
it looks like this kid is just a mistake he made at 22 years old. 10 years later, he’s in a relationship with some chick that he likes and has another child that he cares about. first kid hurts his precious, and now he wants to correct the mistake he made so long ago.

sorry. dad heard the news, grabbed a gun, drove to the mom’s house, and beat the shit out of the kid before finishing him off like they do in the movies. he thought about it. this stopped his child support payments. best thing that can happen is the mother snaps and kills the dad on the way to trial.

if our governor does one thing right, she’ll realize that it’s fiscally responsible to implement the death penalty. god knows michigan is circling the toilet bowl in every single way.[/quote]

One thing I’m sure of is that “dad” didn’t start out intending to kill his son. If that was the case he would have just taken him out back and shot him. He would have skipped the beating part. I think the rage built in him, the women were screaming “stop, your going too far” and he decided to show them just how serious it was.

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[quote]Bodyguard wrote:
Listen at this point no one knows all that much about the specifics of this case.

But having said that lets cut the sanctimonious bull shit

  1. A 15 yr old sure as fuck does know doing anything sexual with a toddler is wrong unless he is a mental deficient ie retard get over I said it.

  2. Anyone who has a child who pulls that self riteous forgive and forget bullshit doesn’t deserve a child and would wholeheartedly if a normal parent not watched act out in some way and have in the past and been exonerated as well as convicted depending on the jury as well as probably gotten away with it somewhere.

  3. Anyone who belives counseling is the answer to this type of shit needs counseling! Hey wait a min that doesn’t work.

  4. Let watch how this unfolds my gut tells me while he has a chance of a defensible action ie crimes of passion he also had a ton of forebearing stripping the kid down and waltzing him out into a field and excuting him not much spontinaety there.

  5. I am a parent my children are the single most precious thing in my life far more than my own life, if anyone and I mean anyone set out to do them harm as cliche as it sounds may God have mercy on their soul because I won’t better the cops get them before I do. I’m a Dad and and I tell you what at some point I might be able to rationalize things as I have been a law abiding citizen but intially or when my mind went Idle I’m not shitting you the cops better get them first. Unless you have held you new born baby in your hands right after birth and realized that you Love them like you knew them an eternity yet you are just holding them then you will never know the pain if someone hurt your child.

So I say lets sit back watch it play out if the dad needs to go down he will he is already in custody.[/quote]

According to the report the dad was showing and is still showing no emotion. That’s messed up however you look at it.

Now, his daughter will have to grow up molested WITH a father who’s in prison for murdering her brother. Great going there, really made the situation way better for both the children.

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[quote]Geraldo105 wrote:
if our governor does one thing right, she’ll realize that it’s fiscally responsible to implement the death penalty. god knows michigan is circling the toilet bowl in every single way.[/quote]

That’s tax money.

And the citizens of Michigan aren’t responsible for their economic collapse.

Anyhow, let’s waste more money on the death penalty.

Geraldonomics

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[quote]meangenes wrote:
Geraldo105 wrote:
if our governor does one thing right, she’ll realize that it’s fiscally responsible to implement the death penalty. god knows michigan is circling the toilet bowl in every single way.

That’s tax money.

And the citizens of Michigan aren’t responsible for their economic collapse.

Anyhow, let’s waste more money on the death penalty.

Geraldonomics[/quote]

The death penalty would be a great deterrent in the worlds most likely place to be murdered.

but otherwise, you’re still wrong.

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Watch the ending of this scene

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[quote]meangenes wrote:
clip11 wrote:
meangenes wrote:

A 15 year old does not have the mental capacity to understand the repercussions of his actions.

Why do people say things like that. Teens are not “children” in the same sense as a 5 year old but people seem to want to believe that. Less than one hundred years ago, 15 year olds were getting married and being heads of households. I know of a woman who is now in her 80’s that married at 15 and her life seems to have turned out good. My great grandmothers were married and running households at 16.

The point is that yes a teen does have the mental capacity to understand fully what they are doing and to operate in this world. Its just that in our western society, for some reason, they make us believe that if you are under 18, you cant put one foot in front of the other w/o a parents permission or adult supervision.

The 15 year old doesnt have the mental capacity line is bullshit.

The world is growing. Things are becoming more complicated. In turn life is becoming harder. You simply have to know more shit now.

As a testament to that, the average person can’t get a decent job without a degree. 50 years from now people will be graduating with a masters at the age of 25 and be considering your doctorate because you can’t live on the meager salary that a masters offers.

Ethics also want to evolve.

Believe it or not it will prove itself not to be bullshit. [/quote]

That just means you need more education. When i was 15 if i wouldve shot someone in the head i wouldve knew full well what I was doing.

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[quote]elano wrote:
stockzy wrote:
And if the father didn’t have access to a gun…?

Sorry. Couldn’t help myself :slight_smile:

He probobally would have smashed him in the head with a bat.

Seriously, why do people think there would be no more killings without guns? Not like anybody killed anyone else before 1700 right? Dumbass.[/quote]

It was a facetious comment.

Dumbass.

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That’ll teach kid to never tell the god damn truth!

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man take it easy on Michigan. Detroit is a shithole, I give you that. The place makes me want to cry just driving through it. I don’t walk around looking over my shoulder all the time, but carrying a gun isn’t a bad idea either. :wink:

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[quote]Geraldo105 wrote:
meangenes wrote:
Geraldo105 wrote:
if our governor does one thing right, she’ll realize that it’s fiscally responsible to implement the death penalty. god knows michigan is circling the toilet bowl in every single way.

That’s tax money.

And the citizens of Michigan aren’t responsible for their economic collapse.

Anyhow, let’s waste more money on the death penalty.

Geraldonomics

The death penalty would be a great deterrent in the worlds most likely place to be murdered.

but otherwise, you’re still wrong.[/quote]

Actually, your only likely to be murdered in Detroit if you frequent places like crack houses. I’m not saying that there is no other violent crime, just not more than most major cities.

The death penalty is not likely to be much of a deterrent in a city where only a quarter of violent crimes are solved. Texas has the death penalty, have murders stopped there?

Add to that the chances of an innocent man being executed and the financial cost, and it’s not much of a solution. I don’t think you would be so cavalier about killing someone if it were you with a needle in your arm for a murder you didn’t commit.

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X2, finally a man with some sense.

Let me reiterate.

Punishment is not a deterrent to crime.

[quote]Deterence

According to a survey of the former and present presidents of the country’s top academic criminological societies, 88% of these experts rejected the notion that the death penalty acts as a deterrent to murder. (Radelet & Lacock, 2009)

Consistent with previous years, the 2008 FBI Uniform Crime Report showed that the South had the highest murder rate. The South accounts for over 80% of executions. The Northeast, which has less than 1% of all executions, again had the lowest murder rate.[/quote]

The death penalty costs more than life imprisonment.

[quote]Fiscal Facts

The California death penalty system costs taxpayers $114 million per year beyond the costs of keeping convicts locked up for life. Taxpayers have paid more than $250 million for each of the state’s executions. (L.A. Times, March 6, 2005)

In Kansas, the costs of capital cases are 70% more expensive than comparable non-capital cases, including the costs of incarceration. (Kansas Performance Audit Report, December 2003).

In Maryland, an average death penalty case resulting in a death sentence costs approximately $3 million. The eventual costs to Maryland taxpayers for cases pursued 1978-1999 will be $186 million. Five executions have resulted. (Urban Institute 2008).

The most comprehensive study in the country found that the death penalty costs North Carolina $2.16 million per execution over the costs of sentencing murderers to life imprisonment. The majority of those costs occur at the trial level. (Duke University, May 1993).

Enforcing the death penalty costs Florida $51 million a year above what it would cost to punish all first-degree murderers with life in prison without parole. Based on the 44 executions Florida had carried out since 1976, that amounts to a cost of $24 million for each execution. (Palm Beach Post, January 4, 2000).

In Texas, a death penalty case costs an average of $2.3 million, about three times the cost of imprisoning someone in a single cell at the highest security level for 40 years. (Dallas Morning News, March 8, 1992).[/quote]

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At the price of $22,000 a year for life imprisonment and average life expectancy being around 70 yrs. Let’s suppose each lifer spends 50 years of his total life expectancy in prison, one’s total 50 year prison expenditure would be a total of $110,000.

You do that math.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
cremaster wrote:
Rekkitanko wrote:
…Then County Prosecutor says: “No individual has the right to exact the death penalty on another, no matter how reprehensible the behavior. That is why we have laws,” … oh right is that why, I dono, death penalty is still around…

The prosecutor is saying that no INDIVIDUAL can appoint themselves judge/jury/executioner.
That the state sanctions death penalties is another issue.

They can in Texas.[/quote]

False. You can’t chase a theif outside and shoot him in the back as he flees your house, simply to punish him. People here have done that, trying to claim “castle,” and ended up going to prison. You CAN kill him while he’s coming inside and being a huge potential threat to yourself and your family.

As for the kid, I would’ve simply driven him to the police station, told them that he was their problem now, and left. Is that illegal? I hope not, because I wouldn’t want that little fuck of an ex-son back around my poor daughter.

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[quote]meangenes wrote:
At the price of $22,000 a year for life imprisonment and average life expectancy being around 70 yrs. Let’s suppose each lifer spends 50 years of his total life expectancy in prison, one’s total 50 year prison expenditure would be a total of $110,000.

You do that math.[/quote]

you missed a zero

$22,000 x 50 = $1,100,000

Still, I don’t feel you can put a price on executing an innocent man. I understand that people die every day, but there should be a burden on the government not to kill it’s citizens.

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[quote]meangenes wrote:
At the price of $22,000 a year for life imprisonment and average life expectancy being around 70 yrs. Let’s suppose each lifer spends 50 years of his total life expectancy in prison, one’s total 50 year prison expenditure would be a total of $110,000.

You do that math.[/quote]

The only decent argument against the death penalty is a monetary one, and the obvious solution to that is to reduce costs. I’m sure there’s a shit-load of money spent per case that wasn’t really necessary. One idea would be to make the waiting periods between appeals shorter, the death penalty candidate takes up prison space for a shorter time, and less money is spent. The 15 years that it sometimes takes between the crime and the punishment is ridiculous.

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[quote]Mettahl wrote:

As for the kid, I would’ve simply driven him to the police station, told them that he was their problem now, and left. Is that illegal? I hope not, because I wouldn’t want that little fuck of an ex-son back around my poor daughter.[/quote]

It’s starting to sound like he made up the story to get out of living with his father & step mother. He wanted to live with his grandparents.

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[quote]Testy1 wrote:
Geraldo105 wrote:
meangenes wrote:
Geraldo105 wrote:
if our governor does one thing right, she’ll realize that it’s fiscally responsible to implement the death penalty. god knows michigan is circling the toilet bowl in every single way.

That’s tax money.

And the citizens of Michigan aren’t responsible for their economic collapse.

Anyhow, let’s waste more money on the death penalty.

Geraldonomics

The death penalty would be a great deterrent in the worlds most likely place to be murdered.

but otherwise, you’re still wrong.

Actually, your only likely to be murdered in Detroit if you frequent places like crack houses. I’m not saying that there is no other violent crime, just not more than most major cities.

[/quote]

HA!!!

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[quote]on edge wrote:
Mettahl wrote:

As for the kid, I would’ve simply driven him to the police station, told them that he was their problem now, and left. Is that illegal? I hope not, because I wouldn’t want that little fuck of an ex-son back around my poor daughter.

It’s starting to sound like he made up the story to get out of living with his father & step mother. He wanted to live with his grandparents.[/quote]

Well that plan backfired.