Fat Loss and Workout Drinks

Ive been getting alot of questions about drinking a workout drink and fat loss. And this objection seems logical. But remember this very simple message…JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING IS LOGICAL DOESNT MEAN ITS PHYSIOLOGICAL!

In our lab we have a theory that well trained people dont have that big of a reduction in fat oxidation with carb intake. This may be due to regulation at the maonyl co A step or due to increased insulin sensitivity at the muscle cell...Im not sure what the outcome will be but we're testing it out in the lab soon after Surge is done. (My Surge project 1 data is nearly finished and project 2 is underway - Im presenting them in Nov at a conference in Toronto).

Anyway, based on the data available and the current absence of data on well trained people, my contention is this. If you actually do a cost benefit analysis (calculate the total amount of fat (not the % or shift) in grams that will be burned with no carbs before or during training and with carbs before or during training and then compare it to the protein balance afforded with a small p+c drink during and after), I think the evidence is good enough to suggest that drinking a carb drink is ok. Also, Ive seen people able to train much, much harder when ingesting carbs during the workout when dieting. So this benefit alone may also weigh in on the carbs side.

Remember, just cause there is a statistically sig difference, that doesnt mean its physiologically important.

There is one caveat though. If you are really lean and need that last bit of edge to drop that last bit of fat, eliminating the drink is fine. At that point, the dropping of that fat is more impt than muscle preservation and you can be resigned to some lean mass losses.

I'll write more later on this later though as I get more data. This is certainly an interesting debate and on this one I won't insist Im absolutely correct. The future may prove me wrong but I think that we need to remain objective about this so as not to just assume carbs are bad during training when dieting.

Looking forward to the new information, John. Thanks.

John, what about non well-trained people? I other words, someone who is overweight but working hard to build muscle and lose fat at the same time, in order to get sub 15% bodyfat? Would you still recommend the carb drink so they can build more muscle or leave it off so they can lost more weight?

JMB are you saying if I take half my Surge before my workout plus 1 hour of cardio after it won’t just cause my body to use more Surge as fuel rather than fat?
Also won’t MORE Surge be beter for recovery espec after traing an hour and then an hour of cardio? I mean after all that glycogen being burnt up won’t MORE insulin & carbs (thanks to a full serving of Surge) be better for recovery?
Maybe just a bit of carbs before training with small amounts of Humilin R would be best?!

JMB I have to wonder what your responce to JW is?!

It’s my understanding that the weight training part of the workout doesn’t directly burn fat, but cardio could create an issue with that.

Yes, it’s the effects towards the fat loss durring cardio I am worried about with the pre-workout Surge.
…and like I said, after 2 hours of glycogen depletion activity (1hr weights plus 1hr cardio) I think the more carbs the better.