[quote]four60 wrote:
Read the whole statement show me where I’m talking John Wayne style:
"Ok I’m enjoying this debate but some are missing or confusing training with skill and will. I just because someone has trained to fight does not make them a fighter. Gloves off in a street fight I’ll take a crazy azz margarito over a sane mosley 24/7. On the street I’ll even take Ali, Hagler, Marciano for there sheer will to put it all on the line to win over guys twice there size if it came to that I. The street can’t teach that stuff.
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And my point was that the skills of boxers are limited when taken out of the ring. While they definitely help, real incidents of street violence are often over very quickly. The boxers have a massive advantage in that they throw combos very fast, know how to hit, shed, angles, etc. but any amateur knows that… so its kind of like a “diminishing returns” kind of thing.
Bodyguard talks about how badass he is pretty often, and he may in fact be a tough dude but claiming that he’d whoop every 150lb dude out there reaks of false bravado. Also, any time someone questions him he asks them to “put up the money”. He also said he doesn’t underestimate anyone, yet he makes the 150lb weiner claim… Anyway, I never understood the tough guy mentality that you could whoop a trained fighter 'cause you outweigh 'em or bench more or whatever. You wouldn’t challenge an accountant to a math contest, so why challenge a fighter to a fight, regardless of weight?[/quote]
I am NOT untrained. I’ll take that fight all day every day. Just like I’ll get all my money in the middle with top two against a flush draw. The only people that seriously talk about this shit are people on the internet. What false bravado? smfh I spent more than half my fucking life training various disciplines. Give me a fucking break. I’ll fight anyone but if I’m not willing to fight someone giving up 100lbs to me, please help me shoot myself now.
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You are a 45 year old man living in a dream world. 45 means slow, i’m not untrained weekend beerfest fights don’t count. Tell us about your training, your posts made me think you were some tough 12 year old.[/quote]
lol precious. I still run a sub 5 40 at 265 and 45 years old. I can still grab the rim. Yup, I’m slooooow. LOLOLOLOL. I really don’t care about jerking off with you over the internet. I know this though. I just put a nice big pot roast in the crock pot with carrots, potatoes onions, seasoning…hmmmm. I’m going to eat before the club tonite. It will be a free party, it will be capacity and it will be bananas. We will have a long nite. Measuring my dick with a guy from Japan does not matter to me But since you’ve asked, I’ve trained boxing, muay thai, and like I’ve said before, enough ground work to keep me out of trouble…along with stealing what works and things I like from other disciplines. Hmm I can smell that roast already :)[/quote]
Beyond the dick measuring comment since I was only answering YOUR question of what world I come from. I agree totally ring fighting is a differnt beast all together.
My point is you can teach a man to use his hand/feat but you can’t GIVE or make A fighter that is somehing from
within.
You’re not disagreeing with anything. “IF THEY KNOW HOW TO PUNCH” is saying a hell of a lot for “MOST GUYS” walking around at any weight. Most guys don’t have any idea how to throw a punch, let alone two or three punches, have no idea how to wrestle, and are uncoordinated in an athletic sense, let alone in a fighting sense.
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When you’re 180 or above, the standard haymaker that every male knows how to throw will knock you out. That’s all I’m saying.[/quote]
No. Even that is giving way too much credit. Every male does NOT know how to throw a “standard” haymaker, let alone actually hit a target with it. Go watch some random fights on youtube and you’ll see the average male almost qualifies as physically retarded when it comes to throwing punches, and would probably do more damage to their own wrist if they tried to punch something rather than the target.
If you’re winding up for a haymaker against me, you will be on the ground with a broken nose before you even bring your hand forward. Haymaker…lol…how many fights have yuo actually ever been in?[/quote]
Hey dipshit, I don’t give a fuck about your fighting prowess. I was making one simple fucking comment that the physics of a haymaker thrown by a full size guy can knock someone out.
So kindly go fuck yourself.[/quote]
And i was not so respectfully pointing out how retarded of a point you were trying to make because no person that is in a fight is going to sit there and allow some idiot wind up with a haymaker and follow through with it. Maybe I should have changed “against me” to “against any random person that has ever lived” and you would have been less confused.
Man the little guys in this thread sure are getting menstrual.
This is an interesting debate, and I’ll just add these two stories.
A few weeks ago, a bunch of friends of mine get into a fight. None of them are taller than 5’9" three of them are 150lbs or less, one of them 175. It starts with a big dude (was much taller weighed at least 200) trying to deck 135lb friend. Tiny friend ducks punch, hits big guy with overhand right, and big guy crumples to the ground.
From there, all hell breaks loose, and these tiny guys are wreaking havoc on a bunch of bigger guys even though outnumbered, because they are fighting like animals, eyegouging, hitting them with rocks, and choking the shit out of them. In total, there were three assholes knocked out, and another left semi unconcious from a guillotine choke not held quite long enough, and a few more that were badly bruised and “leakin’” lol.
It was at a college sorority thrown party so alot of the guys getting their ass beat were bigger athletes, and weightlifting frat boys. My friends came out with minimal damage. All of these guys are pretty cool headed, but have that “killer instinct”, and have been in a shitload of fights, which obviously counted for a lot in the brawl.
Story two:
“MMA” guy starts a fight with some small ass dude, first thing the dumbass does is go for a takedown. He gets cracked in the head by small guys buddy with a crowbar, and then proceeds to get the shit beat out of him. MMA guys buddy did not back him up due to sheer intimidation by another small guy. Actually, he didnt even get out of his car.
for every story you momos have about how u’re sick awesome totally rad 135lb dude beat up some huge bodybuilder meathead, i’ve seen twice as many tapout shirt wearing, sub-150lb dudes try to talk a tough game in front of their friends/girlfriend to security and get absolutely mauled.
tip: you’re not the only one who’s learned bjj or how to throw a punch.
for every story you momos have about how u’re sick awesome totally rad 135lb dude beat up some huge bodybuilder meathead, i’ve seen twice as many tapout shirt wearing, sub-150lb dudes try to talk a tough game in front of their friends/girlfriend to security and get absolutely mauled.
tip: you’re not the only one who’s learned bjj or how to throw a punch.
And i was not so respectfully pointing out how retarded of a point you were trying to make because no person that is in a fight is going to sit there and allow some idiot wind up with a haymaker and follow through with it. Maybe I should have changed “against me” to “against any random person that has ever lived” and you would have been less confused.
Man the little guys in this thread sure are getting menstrual.
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Because you’re a fucking moron. I was making a statement about the force it takes to knock someone out and your cock got hard and you said, “Well, that would NEVER work against me.”
Hey jerkoff, i don’t care if it would work against you or whatever. The statement had nothing to do with you.
[quote]four60 wrote:
Beyond the dick measuring comment since I was only answering YOUR question of what world I come from. I agree totally ring fighting is a differnt beast all together.
My point is you can teach a man to use his hand/feat but you can’t GIVE or make A fighter that is somehing from
within. [/quote]
for every story you momos have about how u’re sick awesome totally rad 135lb dude beat up some huge bodybuilder meathead, i’ve seen twice as many tapout shirt wearing, sub-150lb dudes try to talk a tough game in front of their friends/girlfriend to security and get absolutely mauled.
tip: you’re not the only one who’s learned bjj or how to throw a punch.
sheesh[/quote]
I could totally take you.[/quote]
ahhh you two get a room, hahahahahahahah I would pay to see that though.
for every story you momos have about how u’re sick awesome totally rad 135lb dude beat up some huge bodybuilder meathead, i’ve seen twice as many tapout shirt wearing, sub-150lb dudes try to talk a tough game in front of their friends/girlfriend to security and get absolutely mauled.
tip: you’re not the only one who’s learned bjj or how to throw a punch.
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Yeah i know that, which is why i didnt say every 135lb dude is a rad killing machine, i just threw that story out there, to show that in the real world, as others have mentioned shit doesnt go down the way you expect it.
Plus, they aren’t tap out wearing tards, they are guys that were just raised violent, versus guys who were relatively soft mentally. And all you dudes talking about how small guys are always trying to start shit with big guys, well I just havent seen that very much in my environment, and personally being a small guy myself, it seems like big guys only ever wanna fuck with small guys.
Dudes who start shit normally start shit against someone they are sure they can punk. Just a different perspective.
And i was not so respectfully pointing out how retarded of a point you were trying to make because no person that is in a fight is going to sit there and allow some idiot wind up with a haymaker and follow through with it. Maybe I should have changed “against me” to “against any random person that has ever lived” and you would have been less confused.
Man the little guys in this thread sure are getting menstrual.
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Because you’re a fucking moron. I was making a statement about the force it takes to knock someone out and your cock got hard and you said, “Well, that would NEVER work against me.”
Hey jerkoff, i don’t care if it would work against you or whatever. The statement had nothing to do with you.
Now, again, kindly go fuck yourself.[/quote]
You’ve taken too many blows to the head little man. You just aren’t getting it are you? I will try to type this S-L-O-W-L-Y. It doesn’t take much to understand that the point of my original statement was that a haymaker would not work against ANYONE in a fight. Since it is a useless maneuver, why would you even bring it up?
You might as well have said that a Jedi Mind Trick performed by a small person would take down a big person, since they are equally as fucking useless in a fight. How hard is this to understand?
for every story you momos have about how u’re sick awesome totally rad 135lb dude beat up some huge bodybuilder meathead, i’ve seen twice as many tapout shirt wearing, sub-150lb dudes try to talk a tough game in front of their friends/girlfriend to security and get absolutely mauled.
tip: you’re not the only one who’s learned bjj or how to throw a punch.
sheesh[/quote]
I could totally take you.[/quote]
ahhh you two get a room, hahahahahahahah I would pay to see that though.[/quote]
well a few months ago some dude in the mall tried to say something disrespectful to my mother while i was walking with her in macys. i was 18 5’ 8’’ and a 150 lbs. this guy was a grown man about 6 ft tall around 220 or so not jacked but deff in the 200’s or so.
after hearing what he said to my mom i went on to hitting him with one of those makeup chairs at macy’s, guy went to the emergency room and was crying hysterically in the ambulance. i got a restraining order and cuffed for 7 hours and had to be bailed out and had to write a bunch of letters to the officers a week later.
moral of the story- dont fuck with little guys most of the time they have something to prove. i then realized that if the chair wasnt present and i would of took a swing at the guy i would of probably got my ass handed to me infront of my mom and a few hot makeup artists so i searched the internet for the term bulk up and was lead here. currently 175 and gaining =)
lol i do realize that i would of got my ass kicked without the chair. i dont want to hear about how ima punk or any other nonsense. if your light ass fuck and your about to get into a fight with a much bigger guy. take it from me make sure their is foreign objects around or you will get your ass beat.
your not bruce lee and wearing your favorite Affliction shirt isnt going to fool anyone. Ex of foreign objects that can be of great help: bricks, chairs, pans, tire jacks, barbells, dumbbells, plates, lol and incase your into crossfit this is one point where your kettlebell can be very “functional”
But since you’ve asked, I’ve trained boxing, muay thai, and like I’ve said before, enough ground work to keep me out of trouble…along with stealing what works and things I like from other disciplines. Hmm I can smell that roast already :)[/quote]