Ever Run into Tiny Badasses?

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Ok I’m enjoying this debate but some are missing or confusing training with skill and will. I just because someone has trained to fight does not make them a fighter. Gloves off in a street fight I’ll take a crazy azz margarito over a sane mosley 24/7. On the street I’ll even take Ali, Hagler, Marciano for there sheer will to put it all on the line to win over guys twice there size if it came to that I. The street can’t teach that stuff.

If the guy has 70lbs or more and fit I’m going with the big guy because you will really have to have skill and will to beat those odds can it be done Hell yes. Odds though are against it.

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[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

As would I.

I was just using that for ausie boy who thinks that real life violence is somehow analogous to the staged “fight” pageants he seems to think are real life violence.

He doesn’t seem to understand that in an uncontrolled environment(a real fight), things go off instantly and brutally. There is no warm up. There is no pre-fight preparation period, and most importantly, there is no mercy.

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Quote me where I said that dumbass. Point in fact, unless Bodyguard was specifically talking about sucker punching said opponent when he said “streetfight” I do infact believe he was talking about agreed upon violence.

Of Which case, I’ll post the same video again, a direct link this time. This a no rules, agreed upon fight:

Bodybuilder has 100lbs on gracie jiu jitsu student. Guess who ends up bitching out?

I’ve been in a few streetfights before, evidently I’m not as badass as the bodyguard though. I’ve even been knocked down by a sucker punch before, but I got back up and I made a mockery of the fool that did it infront of his friends at a party, and I attribute that purely to boxing.

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The last 2 days my work place (Kohl Center, Madison WI) has been hosting the state highschool wrestling championships. I am drowning in tiny-badasses right now.

Oddly the skinny-fat, tiny 18 year olds with Tap-Out gear, etc, seem to be walking about with a chip on thier svelte shoulders, while the cauliflower-eared no neck, square headed dudes with big forearms mostly seem to be jovial and joking around with people, generally having a good time.

This may be an instance where age is the factor. But mostly, the biggest dudes seem to be the most humble, and supportive, or helpful, while the smaller ones seem to be scowling all the time.

Off topic, but I’m 5 ft 9 and about 180 and this is the only time of the year I feel slightly ABOVE average in size, most of the time I feel like a midget. Maybe that’s because I work for a women’s basketball team and I’m only taller than 3 of the players. . .

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]VealChop wrote:
Getting silly in here. Hasn’t it already been proven in both professional and amatuer venues, in all different kinds of real fighting, MMA, wrestling, boxing, karate, judo, both ways, up and down, countless times that there is no inherent advantage to having ripped abs, tall or short, fat or skinny, bodybuilder vs powerlifter appearance, and a million other criteria. If you are always betting on the guy who looks like he works out and does cardio more, you just don’t know much about fighting.

The only criteria that matters across all fighting venues is WEIGHT. To the guy who mentioned BJ earlier, he is amazing in his weight class, but comes right back down to earth when he moves up. There are weight classes for a reason, in ALL FIGHTING SPORTS!!! I think the only time weight BEGINS not to matter is when both fighters are at LEAST heavyweights. That is, there is less difference between 300 and 340 lbs, than there is between 160 and 200.

I’m not saying a trained and ready 150 lb guy can’t surprise the shit out of a 250 lb. shit talker, I’m saying if there are two LEGITIMATE tough guys staring each other down, i’ll put my money on the 250 lb guy every time. [/quote]

I disagree with this. Most guys weigh around 180 and up, and if they know how to punch, they’ll be able to knock most other guys out.

Once you get above a certain threshold, weight doesn’t matter- but it’s lower than you think. I would say once you’re at 189 (cruiserweight) its a safe bet you can throw a knockout punch.

I am really wondering what American you guys are walking around in where people actually weight 150… most of the people I see are fuckin fat. [/quote]

You’re not disagreeing with anything. “IF THEY KNOW HOW TO PUNCH” is saying a hell of a lot for “MOST GUYS” walking around at any weight. Most guys don’t have any idea how to throw a punch, let alone two or three punches, have no idea how to wrestle, and are uncoordinated in an athletic sense, let alone in a fighting sense.

That 250 lb bear in the video clearly doesn’t know how to punch, wrestle, or do just about anything in a fighting sense other than lift weights.

I said weight matters quite a bit as it pertains to two LEGITIMATE fighters. You don’t have to be 189 lbs to knock someone out. A fist and the ability to move it through the air at a decent rate of speed and hit a target is all it takes. That is why a 150 lb fighter can surprise the shit out of any size shit talker.

They don’t put cruiserweights up against heavyweights for a reason, the weight advantage, even in pure BOXING makes a huge difference.

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[quote]The Monarch wrote:
The last 2 days my work place (Kohl Center, Madison WI) has been hosting the state highschool wrestling championships. I am drowning in tiny-badasses right now.

Oddly the skinny-fat, tiny 18 year olds with Tap-Out gear, etc, seem to be walking about with a chip on thier svelte shoulders, while the cauliflower-eared no neck, square headed dudes with big forearms mostly seem to be jovial and joking around with people, generally having a good time.

This may be an instance where age is the factor. But mostly, the biggest dudes seem to be the most humble, and supportive, or helpful, while the smaller ones seem to be scowling all the time.
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I agree with this. I’ve always been a “big guy” (6’, 250+ all my adult life) and 9 time out of 10 its smaller people that try and start shit with me at bars and parties. My friends and I call it little big man syndrom. I’m not trying to say this is a rule, but in general, smaller guys are usually more aggressive in a public setting. The only time it seems that size comes into play when there is pending violence with me is in sports. Smaller guys done fuck with me on the ice because i’ll just put them through the boards next shift. And this holds true for football too for the most part.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

Bodyguard talks about how badass he is pretty often, and he may in fact be a tough dude but claiming that he’d whoop every 150lb dude out there reaks of false bravado. Also, any time someone questions him he asks them to “put up the money”. He also said he doesn’t underestimate anyone, yet he makes the 150lb weiner claim… Anyway, I never understood the tough guy mentality that you could whoop a trained fighter 'cause you outweigh 'em or bench more or whatever. You wouldn’t challenge an accountant to a math contest, so why challenge a fighter to a fight, regardless of weight?[/quote]

I am NOT untrained. I’ll take that fight all day every day. Just like I’ll get all my money in the middle with top two against a flush draw. The only people that seriously talk about this shit are people on the internet. What false bravado? smfh I spent more than half my fucking life training various disciplines. Give me a fucking break. I’ll fight anyone but if I’m not willing to fight someone giving up 100lbs to me, please help me shoot myself now.

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[quote]VealChop wrote:

You’re not disagreeing with anything. “IF THEY KNOW HOW TO PUNCH” is saying a hell of a lot for “MOST GUYS” walking around at any weight. Most guys don’t have any idea how to throw a punch, let alone two or three punches, have no idea how to wrestle, and are uncoordinated in an athletic sense, let alone in a fighting sense.
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When you’re 180 or above, the standard haymaker that every male knows how to throw will knock you out. That’s all I’m saying.

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[quote]four60 wrote:
If the guy has 70lbs or more and fit I’m going with the big guy because you will really have to have skill and will to beat those odds can it be done Hell yes. Odds though are against it. [/quote]

Dude- what planet do you come from where people fight fair and square, one on one, John wayne style?

I’ll be honest- if a guy that’s Professor X’s size is going to come after me, I’m going to stab him. If not, I’ll wait until he’s walking to his car and then beat him with a bat.

Small guys, we know we’re small, we know we’re not going to outmuscle you or wrestle you down- so we cheat. Being much smaller than a very large guy, I’m not going to go toe to toe, and I don’t know why you guys think that anyone would. It’s called “stacking the deck.”

Street violence is wholly different than ring violence- the two are not comparable. So why people insist on these kinds of arguments kind of amazes me, because the shit never goes down like this in the real world.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]VealChop wrote:

You’re not disagreeing with anything. “IF THEY KNOW HOW TO PUNCH” is saying a hell of a lot for “MOST GUYS” walking around at any weight. Most guys don’t have any idea how to throw a punch, let alone two or three punches, have no idea how to wrestle, and are uncoordinated in an athletic sense, let alone in a fighting sense.
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When you’re 180 or above, the standard haymaker that every male knows how to throw will knock you out. That’s all I’m saying.[/quote]

If you’re winding up for a haymaker against me, you will be on the ground with a broken nose before you even bring your hand forward. Haymaker…lol…how many fights have yuo actually ever been in?

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The most dangerous man I know with a knife or martial arts, ( trained SEALs for real, makes custom knives), is 5’10" and maybe 145 pounds after getting caught in the rain.

He’s a badass. I would be willing to bet anyone one of his daughters, ages 14-20soemthing and going app 100lbs would mess up anyone here if they had a knife.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

Bodyguard talks about how badass he is pretty often, and he may in fact be a tough dude but claiming that he’d whoop every 150lb dude out there reaks of false bravado. Also, any time someone questions him he asks them to “put up the money”. He also said he doesn’t underestimate anyone, yet he makes the 150lb weiner claim… Anyway, I never understood the tough guy mentality that you could whoop a trained fighter 'cause you outweigh 'em or bench more or whatever. You wouldn’t challenge an accountant to a math contest, so why challenge a fighter to a fight, regardless of weight?[/quote]

I am NOT untrained. I’ll take that fight all day every day. Just like I’ll get all my money in the middle with top two against a flush draw. The only people that seriously talk about this shit are people on the internet. What false bravado? smfh I spent more than half my fucking life training various disciplines. Give me a fucking break. I’ll fight anyone but if I’m not willing to fight someone giving up 100lbs to me, please help me shoot myself now.
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You are a 45 year old man living in a dream world. 45 means slow, i’m not untrained weekend beerfest fights don’t count. Tell us about your training, your posts made me think you were some tough 12 year old.

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[quote]drewh wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

Bodyguard talks about how badass he is pretty often, and he may in fact be a tough dude but claiming that he’d whoop every 150lb dude out there reaks of false bravado. Also, any time someone questions him he asks them to “put up the money”. He also said he doesn’t underestimate anyone, yet he makes the 150lb weiner claim… Anyway, I never understood the tough guy mentality that you could whoop a trained fighter 'cause you outweigh 'em or bench more or whatever. You wouldn’t challenge an accountant to a math contest, so why challenge a fighter to a fight, regardless of weight?[/quote]

I am NOT untrained. I’ll take that fight all day every day. Just like I’ll get all my money in the middle with top two against a flush draw. The only people that seriously talk about this shit are people on the internet. What false bravado? smfh I spent more than half my fucking life training various disciplines. Give me a fucking break. I’ll fight anyone but if I’m not willing to fight someone giving up 100lbs to me, please help me shoot myself now.
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You are a 45 year old man living in a dream world. 45 means slow, i’m not untrained weekend beerfest fights don’t count. Tell us about your training, your posts made me think you were some tough 12 year old.[/quote]

lol precious. I still run a sub 5 40 at 265 and 45 years old. I can still grab the rim. Yup, I’m slooooow. LOLOLOLOL. I really don’t care about jerking off with you over the internet. I know this though. I just put a nice big pot roast in the crock pot with carrots, potatoes onions, seasoning…hmmmm. I’m going to eat before the club tonite. It will be a free party, it will be capacity and it will be bananas. We will have a long nite. Measuring my dick with a guy from Japan does not matter to me :slight_smile: But since you’ve asked, I’ve trained boxing, muay thai, and like I’ve said before, enough ground work to keep me out of trouble…along with stealing what works and things I like from other disciplines. Hmm I can smell that roast already :slight_smile:

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And yeah…I WAS a tough 12 year old. I grew up playing basketball at that age with grown men. Not jerking off to bruce leroy movies. why do japanese girls seem to have the largest breasts among asian women? that’s about the only thing you can contribute that i’d find interesting. can you answer?

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I’m a big guy, mostly fat ass haha. Anyway I’m over 6’ feet have a large build. I dont talk shit to random people…only kidding with my friends but still in high school these little fucks seemed to think they could fuck with me. some midgets… other normal sized but still small compared to me.

I was sucker punched by one midget fag on more than one ocassion, the first time I slammed him up against a locker and choked him with one hand while holding my books in the other… then he started tearing up and shit so I let go. His big group of badass backup mofos had already made their way to the other end of the hall.

That was a long time ago haha. The most recent ones were when three of these fags started trying to piss me off sitting in english class. That was 11th grade…im sitting there reading a book minding my own shit and they start trying to fuck with me. Eventually after other people started telling em to stop, I decided to fuck them up. I got up and started screaming in their faces… they tripped all over each other and fell then crawled into a corner and coward like pussies. I made my point

This kinda shit happened a lot… kids tired to act like they had balls and ended up running down the hall screaming like a bitch because they dont know I call haul ass after em. Im not kidding lawl… happy memories.

I’m not a violent person… even during real fights I grappled with anyone during school… they couldnt really hurt me either way… the worst hit Ive gotten was being punched really hard by a bad swing into the pressure point on my shoulder. It burned red hot for like an hour? wtf? I made him regret it.

Anyway, more to the point. I know when talking about a person who knows how to fight and a person who does… size does and doesnt matter. I know guys who can kick my ass even though I can toss them around… get to grappling and they know a lot of different submissions…so eventually I lose lol.

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This is what I have to add to this thread:

I can safely say that I wouldn’t want to be either of the young men in the above-linked story. My fiancee had a classmate who was killed instantly in a similar “suckerpunch” situation.

So, to the OP, I think you did the right thing by avoiding further confrontation. If you would have jacked that kid in the melon, you may have ended up in a situation similiar to that told by Chicken; fighting for your life daily in a prison with men who wouldn’t think twice about sending you to the grave.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:
If the guy has 70lbs or more and fit I’m going with the big guy because you will really have to have skill and will to beat those odds can it be done Hell yes. Odds though are against it. [/quote]

Dude- what planet do you come from where people fight fair and square, one on one, John wayne style?

I’ll be honest- if a guy that’s Professor X’s size is going to come after me, I’m going to stab him. If not, I’ll wait until he’s walking to his car and then beat him with a bat.

Small guys, we know we’re small, we know we’re not going to outmuscle you or wrestle you down- so we cheat. Being much smaller than a very large guy, I’m not going to go toe to toe, and I don’t know why you guys think that anyone would. It’s called “stacking the deck.”

Street violence is wholly different than ring violence- the two are not comparable. So why people insist on these kinds of arguments kind of amazes me, because the shit never goes down like this in the real world.[/quote]

Read the whole statement show me where I’m talking John Wayne style:

"Ok I’m enjoying this debate but some are missing or confusing training with skill and will. I just because someone has trained to fight does not make them a fighter. Gloves off in a street fight I’ll take a crazy azz margarito over a sane mosley 24/7. On the street I’ll even take Ali, Hagler, Marciano for there sheer will to put it all on the line to win over guys twice there size if it came to that I. The street can’t teach that stuff.

If the guy has 70lbs or more and fit I’m going with the big guy because you will really have to have skill and will to beat those odds can it be done Hell yes. Odds though are against it."

I’m using types of people we all know that had not just skill but would pull thru even against people as tough as themselves. And why do people always go to "well if I would go against a big guy I would stab him, trust me they sell knives and guns to people of all sizes.

All I’m saying is even though I believe a small guy can take out a bigger person I’m saying that there is a limit were Size can make a difference.

Let’s use BJ Penn great fighter proven warrior no question. A drunk “Big show” from WWE pretend wrestling would kick his ass. Why because he would be to big strong and fast enough to do anything with but run.

And the world I grew up in was East New York Brooklyn and trust me I’ve had brawls, neighborhood fights. And also yes one on one fights. So I’m not talking out my ass.

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[quote]tom63 wrote:
The most dangerous man I know with a knife or martial arts, ( trained SEALs for real, makes custom knives), is 5’10" and maybe 145 pounds after getting caught in the rain.

He’s a badass. I would be willing to bet anyone one of his daughters, ages 14-20soemthing and going app 100lbs would mess up anyone here if they had a knife.[/quote]

BTW, this guy was an actual rocket scientist until he decided to go into the custom knife making business.

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[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:

If you’re winding up for a haymaker against me, you will be on the ground with a broken nose before you even bring your hand forward. Haymaker…lol…how many fights have yuo actually ever been in?[/quote]

Hey dipshit, I don’t give a fuck about your fighting prowess. I was making one simple fucking comment that the physics of a haymaker thrown by a full size guy can knock someone out.

So kindly go fuck yourself.

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[quote]drewh wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

Bodyguard talks about how badass he is pretty often, and he may in fact be a tough dude but claiming that he’d whoop every 150lb dude out there reaks of false bravado. Also, any time someone questions him he asks them to “put up the money”. He also said he doesn’t underestimate anyone, yet he makes the 150lb weiner claim… Anyway, I never understood the tough guy mentality that you could whoop a trained fighter 'cause you outweigh 'em or bench more or whatever. You wouldn’t challenge an accountant to a math contest, so why challenge a fighter to a fight, regardless of weight?[/quote]

I am NOT untrained. I’ll take that fight all day every day. Just like I’ll get all my money in the middle with top two against a flush draw. The only people that seriously talk about this shit are people on the internet. What false bravado? smfh I spent more than half my fucking life training various disciplines. Give me a fucking break. I’ll fight anyone but if I’m not willing to fight someone giving up 100lbs to me, please help me shoot myself now.
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You are a 45 year old man living in a dream world. 45 means slow, i’m not untrained weekend beerfest fights don’t count. Tell us about your training, your posts made me think you were some tough 12 year old.[/quote]

Now, I am 24, but because someones 45 doesnt mean they are slow…or will get their ass kicked. I know alot of older dudes that straight fuck shit up. My one instructor is 62 years old and built like the incredible hulk. 5th degree judo 4th degree tkd, fomrer powerlifter. Another dude I train with is almost 40 and could easily compete at nationals. My old kickboxing instructor was like 50 and would beat most peoples asses.

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[quote]four60 wrote:
I’m using types of people we all know that had not just skill but would pull thru even against people as tough as themselves. And why do people always go to "well if I would go against a big guy I would stab him, trust me they sell knives and guns to people of all sizes.
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Because it’s fucking true. I would use a weapon. Most people in the street do too.

Well yes, if you have a midget trained in Jeet Kun Do who goes up against an abnormally gigantic person the size of Big Show the midget will probably lose.

Now, taking regular people into account- most fall within a bell curve of size and weight. In this country, most people who are very heavy are very fat, so I don’t care that they’re 265 lbs. If I can reach your face, I can knock you out, unless you have a very good chin or are the size of the Big Show, in which case I would use a weapon or not fight you.

And if you think size REALLY matters, I advise you to look up Jack Dempsey vs. Jess Willard. If you know what to do with your 180 lbs. then you’ll be able to take most people on.

And finally, I don’t care about your neighborhood brawls. I’m not getting into a dick measuring contest about who’s tougher on the fucking internet. The people who frequent the combat sports forum know my history.