Saw this and thought it was hella impressive for an OL guy. Hopefully he plays as well as he looks.
[quote]panther2k wrote:
Saw this and thought it was hella impressive for an OL guy. Hopefully he plays as well as he looks.
http://www.strengthweb.com/sports/nfl_mathis_evan.html[/quote]
Wow, that is freakin’ awesome.
34 pounds of LBM in 12 weeks along with 16 pounds of fat loss??? I mean, obviously he’s tall and looked (strangely) like almost a complete noob in the first pics so one has to account for beginner gains, etc., but still… am I missing something?
And the guy was barely recruited by major D-I programs out of high school (he was quite small back then). He turned out to be a stud of an OG. Roll Tide.
The pics nicely debunk the myth that you cannot simultanously shed fat and gain muscle with hard training.
Yeah sure, you can do anything with a millionaire dollar team behind you.
Try that shit on your own.
Good job Evan! Roll Tide!
[quote]WhiteCaesar wrote:
34 pounds of LBM in 12 weeks along with 16 pounds of fat loss??? I mean, obviously he’s tall and looked (strangely) like almost a complete noob in the first pics so one has to account for beginner gains, etc., but still… am I missing something? [/quote]
Let me spell it out for you:
S T E R O I D S.
There is no way that anyone is doing that naturally.
Why is it that it’s always steroids, even when someone has superb trainers, decent genes, great nutritional backup and motovation?
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Why is it that it’s always steroids, even when someone has superb trainers, decent genes, great nutritional backup and motovation?
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Decent genes?
More like exceptional genes…which can make a litttleee bit of difference.
I don’t think the guy is on steroids…plus, remember that players/teams/newspapers exaggerate everything about local players.
[quote]WolBarret wrote:
Yeah sure, you can do anything with a millionaire dollar team behind you.
Try that shit on your own.[/quote]
Perhaps you’d like to tell us what ultra-super top secrets his “team” had access to that you don’t, hmmm? Or maybe the potential for a multi million dollar contract is just enough incentive for more motivation than you ever seem to have been able to muster.
Work hard, eat well and put as much effort into your recovery as you do into your training. This is not rocket science.
He’s already an athlete, he goes to a good school that probably has a quality training program, and then add the face he’s taken to another training program that is even better(IKEA).
When all you do is train and have a staff of people around to make you better, it is much different then doing it on your own.
Who here has a team of trainers, nutritionists, and others to monitor their progress.
There’s no team of experts to advise me, no coaches to correct my technique, and no doctors to run tests on my body to tell me what time my body is at its peak.
I guess both he and I are the Million Dollar Man…except I don’t have the million dollars.
If you don’t think that there are tons of NFL players, if not the majority of them, are juiced, then you must not follow the NFL. I am not saying that this guy doesn’t work hard or that steroids are a magic pill, but let’s be realistic…
I don’t care if these guys are chemically assisted or anything else. Results are results. What does bother me is the change in the colors. When you do that to obviously skew the results, to me it puts a ding in their credibility.
Go Panthers! Playboy has them picked to win the Super Bowl. (Perhaps we can even have some more hot, girl-on-girl action in the bathroom.)
as a fellow carolinian, I’d love to see us win the bowl. But if we make, I’d just wish we had stephen davis with us. Carolina did him dirty. He was one of the main reasons we got to the bowl.
[quote]WolBarret wrote:
He’s already an athlete, he goes to a good school that probably has a quality training program, and then add the face he’s taken to another training program that is even better(IKEA).
When all you do is train and have a staff of people around to make you better, it is much different then doing it on your own.
Who here has a team of trainers, nutritionists, and others to monitor their progress.
There’s no team of experts to advise me, no coaches to correct my technique, and no doctors to run tests on my body to tell me what time my body is at its peak.
I guess both he and I are the Million Dollar Man…except I don’t have the million dollars.[/quote]
“doctors to run tests on my body to tell me what time my body is at its peak.”
you dont know what the hell youre talking about. you think this is rocky iv? what gives you the idea that MDs are employed by these places? assuming that the s&c coaches at arkansas are even halfway competent - and when you have major, D-1 programs using HIT as their system, I dont think thats a safe assumption - they are still besieged by literally HUNDREDS of athletes in DOZENS of sports. The idea that a college strength and conditioning program amounts to personalized, one-on-one supervision is WRONG.
You dont have coaches correcting your technique? Spend $100 and get the EFS squat and bench DVDs. Wanna learn the o-lifts? then go to iron mind and get some tapes there. If you want hands on, go to a seminar. Or better yet, get yer ass to a competition and meet some like-minded people from your area. They’ll know where the hardcore places are.
“When all you do is train and have a staff of people around to make you better, it is much different then doing it on your own.” So its just like htat, huh? If only you had the time? I’d be willing to bet that if you got the time tomorrow you’d find some other lame ass excuse as to why he’s better than you. losers make excuses and winners find ways.
There is no way he lost 20lbs of fat in those pics, I’d say method of bf% calculation is inconsistent. He certainly add muscle, but bf looks very much the same except for the increase muscle mass which lowers %.
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
He’s already an athlete, he goes to a good school that probably has a quality training program, and then add the face he’s taken to another training program that is even better(IKEA).
When all you do is train and have a staff of people around to make you better, it is much different then doing it on your own.
Who here has a team of trainers, nutritionists, and others to monitor their progress.
There’s no team of experts to advise me, no coaches to correct my technique, and no doctors to run tests on my body to tell me what time my body is at its peak.
I guess both he and I are the Million Dollar Man…except I don’t have the million dollars.
“doctors to run tests on my body to tell me what time my body is at its peak.”
you dont know what the hell youre talking about. you think this is rocky iv? what gives you the idea that MDs are employed by these places? assuming that the s&c coaches at arkansas are even halfway competent - and when you have major, D-1 programs using HIT as their system, I dont think thats a safe assumption - they are still besieged by literally HUNDREDS of athletes in DOZENS of sports. The idea that a college strength and conditioning program amounts to personalized, one-on-one supervision is WRONG.
You dont have coaches correcting your technique? Spend $100 and get the EFS squat and bench DVDs. Wanna learn the o-lifts? then go to iron mind and get some tapes there. If you want hands on, go to a seminar. Or better yet, get yer ass to a competition and meet some like-minded people from your area. They’ll know where the hardcore places are.
“When all you do is train and have a staff of people around to make you better, it is much different then doing it on your own.” So its just like htat, huh? If only you had the time? I’d be willing to bet that if you got the time tomorrow you’d find some other lame ass excuse as to why he’s better than you. losers make excuses and winners find ways.[/quote]
So you really think that there is no difference between his constant training and one on one coaching compared to the 2 hour dvd regular people may buy and learn from.
And even if we hung out with other fellow gym rats and learned tips, I doubt any of the guys will be certified like IKEA team are. These guys have you on a plan and its their job to make you better. Regular folks don’t have a team who are paid to train and other shit.
And I’m not making excuses for myself, I do fine on my own. But you cannot say that having IKEA train him is the same as having a group of gym rats get him ready for the draft.
[quote]Julius_Caesar wrote:
Let me spell it out for you:
S T E R O I D S.
There is no way that anyone is doing that naturally.
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Bullshit. Not with Chad. Trained with Chad and Evan and I can guarantee you the dude is natural. You’d be surprised at the results you can get when you train with a coach like Chad Ikei.