Planning on running 500 Test E, 600 EQ for 6 weeks then introducing 200 TREN E for 10 weeks. All while running 2IU’s of GH the entire length of cycle. Does anyone contest? or does this seem like a pretty solid cycle?
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You tell us nothing about you or your past experience with AAS or your goals.
If your not a competitor then you don’t need to run tren if you value your health.
I’m not a competitor yet I will still run tren lol I react well to it with minimal sides. Last tren cycle I got up to 400 tren with 500 test got blood work done everything was perfect except my e2 was high and my nuts weren’t fertile. Better than NPP basically NPP mentally wrecked me and gave me crazy bacne. I’m 34, 5’11 225lbs right now but I’m sure im holding some water I’m coming off an NPP test bulk and diet got a little dirty at the end. I started my bulk at 208 I had abs. I’m planning on cruising for 5 weeks getting my bloods done then running the EQcycle I posted above.
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This is not enough time off between cycles. This is not the way to go about this and remain healthy.
Time off would be at least as long as time on.
I would keep
The tren. I higher than 200mg/wk and keep it to 8 weeks max to minimize damage if you insist on running it.
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yea your right I will probably cruise longer maybe 12 weeks and run a cut during that period because I cant see my abs anymore every since this last bulk I just completed so I maybe too fat to run this cycle at the moment anyway.
This “bulk then cut” seems far from the best plan. You run a AAS cycle to add muscle, then before you allow your body to establish a higher set point for muscle mass, and begin a cut to starve off the newly acquired muscle.
There must be some human desire to either be bulking or cutting. I call it the bodybuilder’s yo-yo diet. IMO, there is a strong case for allowing time for your body to establish a new muscle mass set point.
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how does one achieve this? by bulking for extended periods like a year or so?
it doesn’t necessarily need to be a year long bulk. you could bulk for 9 months then maintain that for 3 months, then begin a cut.
personally this year I finished my blast/bulk and when at cruise dose I started cutting. I do think as enhanced lifters we are less likely to tear away muscle regardless of when we start cutting, especially if it isn’t an aggressive deficit. my cut started at 3k cals, aiming to lose 1-2lbs at the start.
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That is a very broad question.
From October of last year until feb of this year, I did a slow, controlled clean gaining phase. My Hrv and hr strongly advised that it was time to ease up on calories and supplements.
I do not think anyone can stay in a bulk for more than 16 weeks without gaining a lot of body fat, or having the body tap out with subtle hints.
I would suggest that you plan out a high carb, medium protein and low fat diet plan, so that you do not gain more than 1.5 pounds per week.
Take weekly consistent photos and have someone you trust give feedback about the quality of the bulk.
Once things have plateaued, and you have digestive burnout or nervous system issues, back off the calories and shift into maintenance for 4 weeks and reevaluate.
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I can only tell you what worked for me. Over an eleven year period I gained from 165lbs to about 242lbs with approximately the same percent body fat. I never did what would be called a “bulk.” I started lifting weights in 1968. I had been doing gymnastics as my approach to looking better (and having fun). I could do 20 pullups and 20 parallel bar dips before I ever lifted a weight.
Right now I need to tell you that I have good genetics for putting on muscle and losing body fat, because if I don’t say that, there will be someone on this forum who will tell you that.
My objective the entire time I lifted weights was to add muscle while maintaining a “beach ready” physique. Starting in late 1970, I started competing in bodybuilding contests. I did an average of 3 contests a year. I wasn’t very good until 1976, or so. It took until 1974 for me to get 4th place in a small contest.
In 1971 I started taking AAS to improve my physique for the contests. So 8 weeks out from a contest I would start my 15mg/day of Dianabol at the same time I started to diet for the contest. During the winter one of my cycles had no contest at the end of the cycle. I did not try to bulk, but just get stronger (therefore more muscle) while maintaining my body composition via my mirror assessment (feedback driven.) I was always in good enough body composition to compete in any show that was 8 weeks away.
All I counted was daily protein consumption, by assuring that I was eating at least 40 grams of protein in each of my six meals. Mirror feedback determined the amount of carbohydrates and additional fat from non-protein sources that I allowed in my diet. This is not a “dialed in” diet, it is a “dialing in a diet”, that changes based on feedback. I did a “dialing in a diet” 365 days a year.
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who tf cares is a gym bro is a competitor or not. some of us just want to look good. yes using tren or any gear should be done responsibly the the “you are not a competitor” nonsense is simply that
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If you are taking a poll, I think AAS use should be for competitive endeavors only.
You don’t think that you can look good without AAS?
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at 43 yo, i personally, without aas, i could not achieve the results i currently have and the physique I will eventually attain. nonetheless, regardless of age there is no question that results of a natty vs results of an enhanced gym goer are night and day.
In one year of blasting and cruising with hard work and dialed in diet, I achieved a physique that would have been impossible at 35yrs of age with out AAS. I was 260 and now i’m 216. I went down to 208 but bulked and now i’m cutting back down. it would have taken me probably 2 to 3 year to get where i’m at.
This is the root of the problem that robbed me of very easy access to pharmaceutical AAS.
When I started using AAS, and I did so only to compete, I could go to a doctor (who was inclined to prescribe AAS) would write me a prescription for any AAS that was in the PDR (Physician’s Desk Reference) and I could get it filled at any pharmacy. I did not worry what was actually in the pill or vial. NO UGL’s!
The public had no awareness of anabolic steroids, and when people talked about “steroids” they were referring to corticosteroids 99% of the time.
Then came “Pumping Iron” and very soon thereafter high school kids were taking AAS. It didn’t take long before the government intervened and AAS became extremely difficult to attain legally.
If AAS was only taken by competitors in athletic events that allowed AAS, I think there is a strong case that I would have been able to legally attain pharmaceutical grade AAS much longer, and maybe even today.
And yes, I stand firm that AAS should only be used by competitors.
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Why is that a concern?
thats fair and i respect it. all i have to say is that i look and feel the best i ever have and getting better mentally and physically daily. i respect your firmness on AAS for comp only but I have to disagree.
You mention “attain”.
What is that specially, for you?
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There shows your bias 
Nowadays the UGL products are high quality with testing so I have no qualms with buying their products without the need to speak to a doctor.
I don’t feel you need to compete to take AAS and at the same time some physiques can be attained naturally, yet will take years of hard work and compliance. Many prefer the short cut. Hell I would prefer the short cut, I don’t want to take 4-5 years doing anything that could be achieved in 1.
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But the transition period had some victims. I had a friend in his late 20’s (who didn’t compete, but was pretty much “hooked” on gains from AAS) who suffered some health consequences that very likely came from contaminated AAS. He damaged both kidneys and was on dialysis. He needed a transplant kidney, but had to wait much longer than about everyone needing a kidney, because his “illegal” habit caused the damage. If I recall correctly, he waited about 15 years before he could get a kidney.