[quote]CAManley wrote:
[quote]Grumpig Hunt wrote:
Thibs in one of his recent spills disagreed with timed rests, stating something along the lines of rest long enough to give full effort to the next set, but not so long that you lose focus.[/quote]
yep, i never said i timed my rests. I have a hard time finding other sources, though i believe that thibs has said that a few times. I also didn’t say that i do ramp my weights, and my first few sets of each exercise don’t take a lot out of me, those are the fast ones, the later sets tend to take longer, maybe a minute? mintute and a half? like i said i’ve never timed, but my first few exercises even the long rest periods are way shorter than the rest periods towards the end of the workout.
So i’m assuming the consensus is that i should wait longer than i feel necessary at the beginning of the exercise, so that i can maintain a little longer? does this have to do with CNS fatigue or something? I will try this, though it seems like it may make my workouts a little long. thanks.
I bought a car and pay for insurance and gas so that i get more out of my day through commuting faster. this is the same reason i buy supplements, so that i get more out of my time working out. I didn’t know so many of you were supplement free, especially considering that not only are you on a forum belonging to a supplement company, but that all over the rest of it, it seems people take a great deal, and get a great deal out of them. I don’t mind going off of the supps though i do feel better when i’m on them and seem to be able to do more, so i don’t see why i should stop and how that’s any more dependent than the standard increase in protein consumption that you are advocating, w/o which, you would not be experiencing your maximum gains.
but yeah, thanks JayPierce, i’ll try what you said, though i’m still looking for a reason to give up my supps.
Eat more. eat more what? I’m getting between 150 and 190 grams of protein per day. i eat A LOT of vegies, and A LOT of nuts. i am not losing weight, so i doubt it is a caloric defect. I don’t eat a lot of food that gives insulin spikes, except around the time i workout, since i started doing this I’ve felt a lot better about my lifts, insulin spikes have been a workout tool for years. i don’t think a larger meal of simple carbs at workout time would help, but i get the feeling it would drag my workout down, though i am willing to try it if that is what you are recommending, though I see no reason put forth as to what and why i should eat anything specifically.
pertaining to eggs, meat, and milk, i don’t think i’m lacking in meat in my diet, since at least one meal a day is loaded with it, and often 2 meals a day. I didn’t really think to mention it, but i do drink a lot of milk. I would have to eat half a dozen eggs every morning to get the same protein i get out of my current breakfast. if i took eggs with a shake, i would still have to eat 2, I would be eating less calories, and from experience, i certainly would be hungry faster.
I sure wish you were right, and that i had balanced legs. Having not done fitness in high school, and sitting most of my life, I have developed some pretty bad anterior pelvic tilt that i’ve been working on correcting. its just recently that i can be standing all day at work without having severe back pain from it, among other symptoms that have been going away. so yeah, I think i’ll work those into my routine when i feel that it won’t jeopardize my postural gains.
I don’t know why i even bothered explaining myself to someone who doesn’t think i should be educate myself and read about the routines I’m doing. Now an argument works like this, you have 2 premises, and a conclusion. for the argument to be valid, if the 2 premises are true, the conclusion must be true. now, i’m having a stated issue (p1), and you do are not(p2), the way you are doing everything must be better/correct and will fix my issue (conclusion), is an invalid argument. though after reading through your training logs, i think the reason you don’t get tired is that your workout only hits each muscle group (usually) for 1 exercise, very little supplemental work, maybe instead of telling other people not to read, you should read a routine written by one of the greats, and just do it, instead of putting together an easy version of the 5x5 program, which as most people seem ti agree on, isn’t as good at the 531 program, which i can see you’ve been reading up on. tell me more about how you’re better and smarter than TC, Thibs, Defranco, Tate, etc, all people who seem to know their stuff, are published, and well read.
anyway,
tareila, that’s a very good point and i will try to focus on it a little to see how it effects my workouts. I farm, meaning some days i sit for 12 hours, come home, then workout, and some days i am on my feet for 10 hours bending over and picking weeds or placing mouse/mole bait, then come home and workout. 2 very different things. recently its been more of the walking and bending rather than sitting, or working stationary on equipment maintenance, and that might be the reason for the recent energy issues.[/quote]
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Jim Wendler: “My suggestion is to quit thinking you’re quad dominant. Unless your quads hang over your kneecaps like an elephant’s testicles, you’re not quad dominant. You’re just hamstring weak.”
Look, I’m all for educating yourself on a routine before you do it. But a lot of people (especially beginners) drown in the information and overanalyze everything. Being beginners, they also don’t know what is good advice and what is pure crap. Resting 30 seconds between heavy sets is pure crap.
I don’t understand why you think I don’t get tired? I never said anything like that. I am just like every other human being, I get tired.
Frankly I don’t care that 5/3/1 is more popular then a 5x5 program. As you know, I did the 5/3/1 program for about a year and a half. I enjoyed it, got stronger, and learned a lot. The principles behind the routine are still very much a part of my training.
I don’t know where you get off saying that the routine I put together is an “easy” version of a 5x5 program. It is 95% the same as any of the 5x5 routines out there. They all have the same philosophies behind them. Futhermore, nothing I do is easy. I train hard and acheive my goals.
I understand that as a beginner, you think it is increadibly important to be on the perfect program, take all the cutting edge supplements, or else you won’t get big and strong. I have been there, as have 99% of all lifters. But it is simply not true. Just about any training program will work, as long as it’s not completely retarded.
As Dave Tate said, “It’s not about the program. If you look at all the strongest guys out there, they’re all doing the same shit. It might be a little bit different, but it’s all the same shit.” < this is paraphrased, it was in one of the BIG seminar videos
Also, I never said or infered that I was better or smater then any of the authors you mentioned. But show me where any of those guys said you should rest 30 seconds between heavy sets.
Since you took the time to look through my training logs, I looked through your posts. 2 years ago, you made a thread in which you said you deadlifted 205 for 4 reps, and weighed 215 pounds.
In the past 2 years, you lost 35 pounds, and your deadlift went up to 245. You need to spend less time worrying about having the perfect program or the best supplements, and just plain lift and eat.
As Jim Wendler said “If you want to go to Chicago, just get in the car and drive.”
